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TAAG's New 73W Goes Intercontinental!  
User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3630 times:

Angola's TAAG is reportedly introducing a twice weekly Boeing 737-700 service from the capital Luanda to Lisbon via the Sao Tome Island. These flights compliment the daily TAAG 777/743 and the TAP 343 services.

This is one loooooong sector!  crazy 

http://www.africanflyer.com/2007/02/...taag-to-serve-lisbon-via-sao-tome/


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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

I'll be really amazed if TAAG is to fly those B737-700 LAD-REC or even LAD-SSA non-stop.


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User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

That web page says the aircraft is a B73W, and the picture is of a 777. Maybe it is a 777-300ER? Although the picture looks to me like a 772.

User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 1):
I'll be really amazed if TAAG is to fly those B737-700 LAD-REC or even LAD-SSA non-stop.

Range-wise they'd be OK, not sure about their ETOPS certification though?



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

Quoting Areopagus (Reply 2):
That web page says the aircraft is a B73W, and the picture is of a 777.

True, but I think they just splashed the first picture they could find... as TAAG does not have the 77W (yet!) but rather the "200ER" series.



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

Not really newsworthy. Even B-1900s go "Intercontinental" between Morocco and Portugal...
COPA's 73Gs go all the way from central America to Argentina, Jetstars A-320s will go from Darwin to Asia etc.
Indeed transoceanic 737s would be more newsworthy. An Abidjan-Brazil hop is only 3-4 hours I guess so doable.
Between Europe and the USA, there are some executive configured 737s flying, but apart from some charters and the Air Canada A-319 I believe no true scheduled 737 or A-320 flights with normal economy seats.



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
Not really newsworthy. Even B-1900s go "Intercontinental" between Morocco and Portugal...

Its more than a 10 hour flight for a regular, pax-configured 737. You still don't see too many of such flights around, so to me its quite an interesting information and worth sharing. Apologies if its not your idea of a "breaking news article", which it wasn't mean to be in any case.



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User currently offlinePacifique75 From Portugal, joined Oct 2006, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

This TAAG flight is primarily intended to carry pax between S.Tome and Portugal.
It was on the news in Portugal that TAAG will operate TMS-LIS on behalf on newly formed
S.Tome e Principe Air. Ofcourse the LAD-TMS sector will not be empty, as there is a large
community of Sao Tomenses living in Angola


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39681 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

That seems like a long time for a 737.
Does't TAAG have 747s and 777s that can do this instead?

When did TAAG retire there IL-62s?

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
Even B-1900s go "Intercontinental" between Morocco and Portugal...

I took a Olympic ATR-72 between Istanbul, Turkey and Athens, Greece.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8539 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3286 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
took a Olympic ATR-72 between Istanbul, Turkey and Athens, Greece.

but IST is in the 3% of Turkey's land area that is "Europe" rather than the 97% which is "Asia" so not really intercontinental



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
That seems like a long time for a 737.
Does't TAAG have 747s and 777s that can do this instead?

TMS Airport may not be able to provide the best support for a B737 or B777. Passengers between LAD and LIS would surely choose to fly TP or TAAG, as said written before, that flight is more of a service to TMS O/D traffic.



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User currently offlinePacifique75 From Portugal, joined Oct 2006, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
That seems like a long time for a 737.
Does't TAAG have 747s and 777s that can do this instead

I believe S.Tome airport cannot handle the 777/747. I clearly remember when TAP re-started TMS
flights around 1989/90 and used their B727 via DKR and that was due to runway restrictions...
However, TP now use the A310 so there must have been an upgrade to runway structure and
besides TAAG 777/747 are being used on other routes.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

How long time LAD-Sao Tome , and Sao Tome -LIS ?

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39681 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
but IST is in the 3% of Turkey's land area that is "Europe" rather than the 97% which is "Asia" so not really intercontinental

That's right! I forgot.


Thanks for the info.



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2332 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10):
Passengers between LAD and LIS would surely choose to fly TP or TAAG, as said written before, that flight is more of a service to TMS O/D traf

If the price is right they will go via TMS. Remember that most people choose based on price even if it means a quick stop along the way.



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User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 1):
I'll be really amazed if TAAG is to fly those B737-700 LAD-REC or even LAD-SSA non-stop.

Is TAAG seriously considering flights to REC or SSA? I would guess that GRU would be the next destination that DT adds in Brazil.

Is TAAG still planning to start flights to IAH?


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 15):
Is TAAG seriously considering flights to REC or SSA?

DT runs charters to SSA

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 15):
Is TAAG still planning to start flights to IAH?

If they're to fly to IAH, REC (because distance) or SSA (because LAD-SSA traffic) could be good destinations to stop enroute to IAH. Of course a B737-700 with full pax won't make it from Brazil to IAH non-stop.



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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Hi!

Just to let you know that TAAG ALREADY started flying that route with the 737-700!!! First one to come was D2-TBJ!!!
Regards


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26357 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
but IST is in the 3% of Turkey's land area that is "Europe" rather than the 97% which is "Asia" so not really intercontinental

Unless of course he went from SAW  

edited to add: I checked the GC and it Sao Tomo-Lisbon is less than 2500nm, more than doable with the 73W.

[Edited 2007-02-15 22:37:50]


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Quote:
How long time LAD-Sao Tome , and Sao Tome -LIS ?

LAD-TMS-LIS = 676 nm + 2457 nm, for a total of 3132 nm.

All easily within range of a 737-700. SAN-OGG, for example, is flown by AQ (2208 nm).



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 19):
LAD-TMS-LIS = 676 nm + 2457 nm, for a total of 3132 nm.

CM's PTY-MVD, the longest commercial B737-700/800 flight is 2941nm. LAD-LIS non-stop is 3110nm, which I think, with 100+ passengers may be flown non-stop on a B737-700.



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2534 times:
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Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
COPA's 73Gs go all the way from central America to Argentina

Not on the same flight number though.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
Jetstars A-320s will go from Darwin to Asia

Hardly the same as this is it now?

I for one would not want to be on the flight when I could go on the 772 or 343 non stop. But I suppose it is good for serving the local community of Sao Tome.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24796 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2500 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 21):
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
COPA's 73Gs go all the way from central America to Argentina

Not on the same flight number though.

Panama is generally considered as being part of Central America, not South America.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26357 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2451 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 20):
LAD-LIS non-stop is 3110nm, which I think, with 100+ passengers may be flown non-stop on a B737-700.

The flight isn't non-stop.



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6299 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2413 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 20):
LAD-LIS non-stop is 3110nm, which I think, with 100+ passengers may be flown non-stop on a B737-700.

It's absolutely possible, but there is no way in heck TAAG would be stupid enough to put a 737 on the nonstop flight between LAD and LIS...they can fill up their 743 flights no problem.


25 2travel2know : You want to bet? I could give you a couple of reasons why DT would fly their B737-700 non-stop to LIS.
26 Gte439u : Please tell us your reasons. Thanks.
27 2travel2know : Angolan government personnel on official business in Portugal.
28 JoKeR : OK, but wouldn't they prefer the more spacious and luxurious front cabins of the new 777s?
29 Airbazar : However the bilateral between Portugal and Angola limits the number of flights per week (Actually the Angolan government limits it), so until that's
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