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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6388 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

I was wondering on whether airline alliances have "leaders" or not. I have heard that SkyTeam is led by Delta and Air France, that Star Alliance is led by United and Lufthansa, and that Oneworld is led by American and British Airways. Does anyone know if this is true or not? If this is true, then that probably means that a CO/UA merger would put the new airline in Star Alliance.


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
If this is true, then that probably means that a CO/UA merger would put the new airline in Star Alliance.

Whether or not it is true, it would only make sense as Skyteam is rather crowded.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):
Whether or not it is true, it would only make sense as Skyteam is rather crowded.

Um, Star Alliance is even larger. SkyTeam currently has 10 full members, Star has 17 full members. However, SkyTeam has three airlines from the United States (Delta, Continental, and Northwest), while Star has two (United and US Airways).



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):

How does the size of the alliance pertain at all to the thread starters question?

UA was the founding member of *A, so it would make sense in that way, but I don't really understand how there could be a leader. There are not "Board meetings" that include all the airlines execs is there?



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

There aren't leaders, just the largest and original member airlines might appear to be the leaders.
SQ could probably be added to *A with UA and LH
AA, BA, being the biggies for OW but CX and QF are both quite large and now JL is in there which is huge.
ST sure does have a lot of USA airlines in it.



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User currently offlineBakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
SQ could probably be added to *A with UA and LH

SQ wasn't a founding member of *A but I agree they should be added for their Asian service. Air Canada would be there since it and United were the main North American founders and OneWorlds service to Canada is pretty poor.

[Edited 2007-02-16 04:40:55]

User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
Um, Star Alliance is even larger. SkyTeam currently has 10 full members, Star has 17 full members. However, SkyTeam has three airlines from the United States (Delta, Continental, and Northwest), while Star has two (United and US Airways).

I think that's what he meant, is that the United States end of SkyTeam would be kind of crowded. It would be very interesting to see 4 of the big 6 all in the same alliance. You could fly practically anywhere.



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User currently offlineSemobeila From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
There aren't leaders, just the largest and original member airlines might appear to be the leaders.

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Quoting Boston92 (Reply 3):
There are not "Board meetings" that include all the airlines execs is there?

For Star there is the Chief Executive Board (all CEOs) (1 airline, 1 vote) and the Alliance Management Board (again 1 airline, 1 vote). Nobody is considered to be the leader.
This article explains a little what the AMB is: http://www.finnguide.fi/sightguide/a...ion_airlines_news.asp?a=2162&o=150


User currently offlineInbarD From Israel, joined Jan 2007, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

BA for oneworld
DL for skyteam
LH for staralliance

I think its something like that.


User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
that Star Alliance is led by United and Lufthansa

SQ and SK (including JK) can be added

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
and that Oneworld is led by American and British Airways

Right

KEvin777



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5554 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 9):
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):and that Oneworld is led by American and British Airways
Right

KEvin777

Well Geoff Dixon claims QF had the leading role in forming OneWorld in that QF had bi lateral alliances for many years with both BA & AA and it was QF that, in effect, introduced them to each other, that led to formation of OneWorld.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

I think its the media that suggests there are leaders in the Alliances, whereas the airlines themselves would say they all have equal footing bringing many ideas to the table such as culture difference, service etc.

User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 10):
Well Geoff Dixon claims QF had the leading role in forming OneWorld in that QF had bi lateral alliances for many years with both BA & AA and it was QF that, in effect, introduced them to each other, that led to formation of OneWorld.

It might be that QF had a leading role in forming the alliance, but as for who is the boss right now, I reckon QF don't have much power..

Kevin777



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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
There aren't leaders, just the largest and original member airlines might appear to be the leaders.
SQ could probably be added to *A with UA and LH



Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 9):
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
that Star Alliance is led by United and Lufthansa

SQ and SK (including JK) can be added

The founding members of *A (AC, UA, LH, SK and TG) could all be considered the leaders as only they possess veto power within the alliance.
As far as picking one leader for *A, I'd have to say LH as they have been the one most active in recruiting airlines etc.

SQ is a great airline but definitely could not be viewed as a leader for the alliance.
JK ... LOL no way.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5554 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2828 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 12):
It might be that QF had a leading role in forming the alliance, but as for who is the boss right now, I reckon QF don't have much power..

Ever heard of the term "balance of power"?

Gemuser



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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Quoting InbarD (Reply 8):
BA for oneworld
DL for skyteam
LH for staralliance

I think its something like that.

That´s it just skyteam would be rather AF/KL .

Doubtless is that LH is of *A and BA of 1O.


User currently offlineSemobeila From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 13):
The founding members of *A (AC, UA, LH, SK and TG) could all be considered the leaders as only they possess veto power within the alliance.

Where did you get that from? Must be pure speculation because that's simply not true. Every full member of the alliance has 1 vote, not more not less. There is no such thing as a veto right.


User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

Quoting Semobeila (Reply 16):
Where did you get that from? Must be pure speculation because that's simply not true. Every full member of the alliance has 1 vote, not more not less. There is no such thing as a veto right.

Think of it as the UN security council... everyone has 1 equal vote, but the 5 permanent members have "veto" power.
Similar situation at *A, unless things have changed.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 13):
JK ... LOL no way.

I meant that SK has even greater power because they own JK.. On their own, JK of course doesn't have much influence..



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting Semobeila (Reply 16):
Every full member of the alliance has 1 vote, not more not less.



Quoting Semobeila (Reply 7):
For Star there is the Chief Executive Board (all CEOs) (1 airline, 1 vote) and the Alliance Management Board (again 1 airline, 1 vote). Nobody is considered to be the leader.
This article explains a little what the AMB is: http://www.finnguide.fi/sightguide/a...o=150

even the star alliance regional members OU, JP and KF???


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

Quoting InbarD (Reply 8):
DL for skyteam

make that AF/KL



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Quoting Semobeila (Reply 7):
For Star there is the Chief Executive Board (all CEOs) (1 airline, 1 vote) and the Alliance Management Board (again 1 airline, 1 vote). Nobody is considered to be the leader.

I would say all are leaders, except for the regional members.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineUzzzer From Ukraine, joined Dec 2006, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 21):
I would say all are leaders, except for the regional members.

I'd rather say

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LO has been complaining that LH is blocking LO's longhaul expansion to the destinations that are currently served by LH. (Sorry, the link is in Polish)

I can imagine, that the alliances aren't really "1 airline 1 vote". Surely, the "leaders" get their meat first, justified or not.


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