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American Eagle To Resume 2nd Daily PIA-DFW!  
User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 435 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

American Eagle will resume its second daily Peoria - Dallas/Fort Worth roundtrip flight on April 11. The restored flight will use a 50-seat Embraer 145 regional jet. Below is a link to the article from the local newspaper:

http://www.pjstar.com/stories/021507/TRI_BCCUNOBI.063.php

The writer is pretty sloppy with the facts but good news, nonetheless.

DPJ

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User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

The Peoria airport has been showing a lot of growth. I was surprised when AA announced PIA-DFW with one daily, but I figuired with all of AA's connections from DFW it could work. Having two flights daily is exciting. AA also flies several times a day PIA-ORD. Allegiant now serves Las Vegas as well as Tampa from PIA. All PIA needs is for UA to introduce Denver now.

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5126 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4386 times:

Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 1):


All PIA needs is for UA to introduce Denver now.

Or Frontier  Wink

Personally, I'ld think the following could work from PIA as well:

NW to DTW 2/3 times daily CRJ
CO to CLE 2/3 times daily ERJ
DL to CVG 2/3 times daily CRJ



Ozark Flies Your Way
User currently offlineMli717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4370 times:

It looks like MLI is getting a its second DFW flight back.

AA3807 Departs DFW at 3:55pm and arrives MLI at 5:55pm
AA3808 Departs MLI at 6:20pm and arrives DFW at 8:25pm

those flights are served with an ERD.

I wonder what other cities are gaining lost DFW service back.


User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4361 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
NW to DTW 2/3 times daily CRJ

I believe NW flies to DTW from Bloomington which is only about 35 min away from Peoria driving, so that probably wouldnt happen, but you never know. I never would have expected DFW, and it looks like its a successful route. As crazy as it sounds Frontier might be able to make this route work someday if UA doesnt get it. I mean AirTran flies Atlanta to Bloomington, which wouldnt be much different then Frontier Denver to Peoria. I'm sure they could fill up a daily A318 if the connections going west from Denver were right.


User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

When the PIA-DFW started it was tiwce a day and since that time there have been, if I remember correctly, on and off periods of where it was tiwce a day only to fall back to once a day and so it goes.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
Personally, I'ld think the following could work from PIA as well:

NW to DTW 2/3 times daily CRJ
CO to CLE 2/3 times daily ERJ
DL to CVG 2/3 times daily CRJ

I second that motion and to which I might add UA PIA-IAD 2 times a day.

I was so sorry to hear that SPI is getting the IAD flight and not PIA.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2313 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
NW to DTW 2/3 times daily CRJ

It would even be nice to see NW upgrade the saabs to CRJ's on the PIA-MSP flights.

back to AA, they seem to be really busy with expansion again, will be interesting to see what they announce next


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5126 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 6):


It would even be nice to see NW upgrade the saabs to CRJ's on the PIA-MSP flights.

Agreed. I may be wrong, but I think PIA saw more seats per day in the 70's when Ozark was the sole carrier there than they do now.



Ozark Flies Your Way
User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 7):
Agreed. I may be wrong, but I think PIA saw more seats per day in the 70's when Ozark was the sole carrier there than they do now.

Likewise for the DC and NYC areas.


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

Quoting Mli717fan (Reply 3):
I wonder what other cities are gaining lost DFW service back.

FWA got a flight back. However GRB, RST, and TOL haven't gotten DFW service back yet. I don't expect TOL-DFW back any time soon.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4116 times:

Good they needed that:

I think LFs on the one daily flight were running about 80% plus. Having lost STL and DEN service over the past few years, PIA lost decent connections to the west.....I think NW should upgrade the SF3s to MSP to CRJs....

if MLI is getting their 2nd DFW flight back looks like AMR has gottne over their temper tantrum when midwest cities refused to go along with keeping the Wright Amendment and retialated by cutting flights.

MLI is very well served, not sure what their to priority should be maybe PHX with CRJ-700/900

For PIA this past summer airport wide load factors were 85% for July and Aug meanign there were probably losts of people who wanted to FLYPIA but couldnt.

Thier top priority should be:

1. MSP-PIA updrade to CRJ
2. PIA-DEN on somebody (UA or F9)
3. PIA-DTW 2x daily on CRJ (but NW seems to be treating PIA and BMI as one market with MSP from PIA and DTW from BMI)
4. Not sure that CVG or CLE would work given very small local markets.

When does SPI-IAD start? SPI doesnt have a good record of retaining airservice except to STL and ORD.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 7):
Agreed. I may be wrong, but I think PIA saw more seats per day in the 70's when Ozark was the sole carrier there than they do now.

I had a summer 1980 OZtimetable and PIA was OZ's 3rd busiest station with nonstops to ORD, STL, MSP, IND, DCA, LGA, DEN, MLI, SPI, CMI, ALO, CID, RST, DTW..I think OZ flew DSM-PIA-ATL back in 1978.

I remember in 1977-78 when both NW and OZ filed withh the CAB for PIA-ATL. OZ was DSM-PIA-ATL, NW was MSP-PIA-ATL-MIA...OZ won.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5126 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 10):


4. Not sure that CVG or CLE would work given very small local markets.

It's the connecting possibilities that would make those flights work (or not). Who, for instance, is flying those 5 daily LEX-CVG flights? Local travellers or connecting ones?



Ozark Flies Your Way
User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4041 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 7):
I may be wrong, but I think PIA saw more seats per day in the 70's when Ozark was the sole carrier there than they do now.

It's probably impossible to tell for sure, OzarkD9S, because so many of those OZ flights were operating multi-stop routes and so not all seats in a 78-seat or 98-seat DC-9-10 and DC-9-30, respectively, or a 47-seat Fairchild-Hiller FH-227 were available for pax boarding/deplaning at PIA.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2231 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 10):
NW seems to be treating PIA and BMI as one market with MSP from PIA and DTW from BMI)

I think at one time Mesaba flew DTW-BMI-PIA-MSP and v v, so PIA and BMI had flights to both hubs.



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User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4030 times:

I doubt PIA-CVG will happen because DL recently downsized that hub by 26% and placing more emphasis on ATL. MLI and CMI once had service to the CVG hub but then service was shifted to ATL (and CMI eventually lost the service altogether).

If CO wanted to enter (or "re-enter") the PIA market, perhaps CLE would be a good start. I hear of plans for CO hub expansion there. Certainly, two or three ERJ's a day to that hub could draw some connecting traffic to/from the northeast and mid-Atlantic regions (and with competitive fares, really to/from everywhere). I suspect this won't happen because of CO/DL/NW code-sharing and the fact that such service out of PIA would probably hurt NW's BMI-DTW service.

The Greater Peoria Regional Airport has yet to announce their decision on terminal renovation or building a new terminal, with the latter now said to be the favored. A new terminal would be built west of the existing building.

DPJ


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5126 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4030 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 13):


It's probably impossible to tell for sure, OzarkD9S, because so many of those OZ flights were operating multi-stop routes and so not all seats in a 78-seat or 98-seat DC-9-10 and DC-9-30, respectively, or a 47-seat Fairchild-Hiller FH-227 were available for pax boarding/deplaning at PIA.

A very good point. Having grown up near Peoria, and a mother who worked in OZ reservations at PIA I was able to sample many of those puddle jumpers! Having non-revved countless times out of there in the 70's and early 80's the biggest concern however was getting on the plane in PIA, once you did you were generally home-free regardless of the intermediate stops. Which leads me to believe (and this is purely speculative) that PIA was a healthy market, has grown some since then and could support a few additional hub-flights not currently served.



Ozark Flies Your Way
User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 16):
Having grown up near Peoria, and a mother who worked in OZ reservations at PIA I was able to sample many of those puddle jumpers! Having non-revved countless times out of there in the 70's and early 80's the biggest concern however was getting on the plane in PIA, once you did you were generally home-free regardless of the intermediate stops. Which leads me to believe (and this is purely speculative) that PIA was a healthy market, has grown some since then and could support a few additional hub-flights not currently served.

Metro Peoria lost thousands of blue collar jobs from the late 1970's to about the mid-1980's and the area population declined from about 365,000 to about 339,000 between 1980 and 1990. It has since risen back up to 346,000 or so and two new counties were added to the official Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) in 2003 so the actual pop. is said to be roughly 370,000. The five major central Illinois metro areas amount to over 1 million residents alone so all trend to compete for pax. Peoria is by far the biggest metro area of the five and has a pretty affluent population with a large medical and white collar workforce (blue collar is still significant).

PIA's record of 550,000 pax in 1978 has never been broken. We came within 30,000 of that number in 2005 and our airport director expects we'll beat that in 2007. I hope so.


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

Did Eagle take delivery of more aircraft b/c they're expanding?

Beefed up RDU, CVG, MLI and PIA


User currently offlineMli717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 15):
I doubt PIA-CVG will happen because DL recently downsized that hub by 26% and placing more emphasis on ATL. MLI and CMI once had service to the CVG hub but then service was shifted to ATL (and CMI eventually lost the service altogether).

I remember when MLI was only a CVG station, it made for more convenient connection times, and the CVG staff gave me excellent customer service. That said, it was also kind of a pain, because there were limited connection opportunities. I remember having to fly a friend into Peoria, (an hour and a half drive) from Moline because our CVG service really didn't provide the connections he needed.

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 15):
The Greater Peoria Regional Airport has yet to announce their decision on terminal renovation or building a new terminal, with the latter now said to be the favored. A new terminal would be built west of the existing building.

I'm glad to hear they are talking about doing something down there. In the area, BMI, MLI and CID all have much newer airport facilities. PIA was well maintained and clean, but I would imagine it gets VERY congested on busy days.


User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

Quoting Mli717fan (Reply 19):
I'm glad to hear they are talking about doing something down there. In the area, BMI, MLI and CID all have much newer airport facilities. PIA was well maintained and clean, but I would imagine it gets VERY congested on busy days.

Yeah, during peak periods it can get quite crowded inside the ticketing and baggage screening areas. In fact, since they had to install baggage screening stations, there's even less space for the crowds. Now they're busy moving the ticket counters out and the screening equipment back behind them. I think all of this is helping to drive the need for a new or renovated terminal.

I think BMI's new (well five years old now) terminal, MLI's renovated 1985 terminal and new (2000-2001) concourse, CID's terminal (opened in 1986?), CMI's 1989 terminal and even SPI's terminal make PIA's look pretty pathetic.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

without an act of congress or BOS closing, I fear PVD will not make the list of "airports that got their DFW service back."

good news for PIA, FWA, and MLI though.


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1535 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

Quoting Mli717fan (Reply 3):
It looks like MLI is getting a its second DFW flight back.

AA3807 Departs DFW at 3:55pm and arrives MLI at 5:55pm
AA3808 Departs MLI at 6:20pm and arrives DFW at 8:25pm

those flights are served with an ERD.

I wonder what other cities are gaining lost DFW service back.

That's great to hear! I hope they can get the loads to support both flights. CID has 5 daily to DFW, so I would think it wouldn't be too difficult. I know the only reason that OH left MLI is because they were trying to put pressure on FL. This was also their reasoning for having a summer flight to MCO. Now that the ERJ-170s are gone  Sad flights are increasing to 5 a day to ATL. I was told by one of my former co-workers at OH that DL is trying to make MLI a mini focus city for DL Connection, and right now they are experimenting with what works and what doesn't. Hopefully the traffic keeps up overall, so we can up 1 million passengers next year. We had 911,000 in '06, so hopefully we'll top that again this year.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2313 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 20):
CID's terminal (opened in 1986?),

That is correct, and the C concourse was expanded in 1997, adding 2 jet bridge gates (for a total of 6) and creating a large picture windown at the end to view landings and takeoffs.. There is also another expansion to begin soon to espand the B consourse (which is the lower level concourse)


User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3920 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 15):
The Greater Peoria Regional Airport has yet to announce their decision on terminal renovation or building a new terminal, with the latter now said to be the favored. A new terminal would be built west of the existing building

Out of curiosity does anyone know where the funds would come from for a new terminal building? I agree that a new terminal buidling has been badly, badly, badly needed for a long time now. I cant imagine what the lsecurity lines must be like early in the mrornign when so many flights leave PIA. I always fly out later in the day when there is less traffic.

Back to the funding issue, seems that in PIA there has been a lot of controversy, for some time now, about funding and spending for other civic projects, hotel at civic center, new library and none of it has been resloved. There is a mindset back there that is quite slo w to accept change. I dont know the ins and out of funding the airport but, based on other things, feel that this is something that will be, sadly, quite slow in coming.


25 Mli717fan : That would be a cool thing do see, but I hope it doesn't come at the expense of FL service. I noticed the schedule is now down to 2x ATL per day and
26 A10WARTHOG : No Eagle last aircraft was in 2005 it was a EMB-145 a/c number 942. Routes are added by taking from some places or if mainline goes in it can drop so
27 EXAAUADL : Unfortunately I think FL's days in both MLI and BMI are numbered....I think FL might want to redeploy those planes. I think ATL-RFD and ATL-GRR might
28 Acey559 : It's ironic that you say that, because the exact same thing happened to me in SDF when I was 16. They held the plane for me until I got on so I could
29 FlyPeoria : Probably federal grants. Opposition has really nothing to do with slowness to accept change. The City's eyes have long been bigger than the taxpayers
30 EXAAUADL : THe real thing PIA has going against it is horrible School Dist 150
31 MLI717fan : I hope PIA can get a new or heavily renovated terminal and concourse. Looking at other airports of the size, I consider myself lucky that MLI is as ni
32 MLI717fan : Not do doubt you, but RFD has had a lot of trouble holding carriers the last few years, while FL has been in both BMI and MLI for almost a decade. Ai
33 FlyPeoria : Having visited a few times, I can say that MLI has a world-class facility. Having that "big-city airport" look with the concourse is certainly asthet
34 Post contains links MLI717fan : I was more talking about the firestorm of me talking bad about our former local congressman (Evans). LaHood has enjoyed great support from his distric
35 Jaws707 : I always thought it would be an interesting idea of they built an airport about half way from Peoria to Bloomington and closed the two current airport
36 OzarkD9S : They've tossed that idea around as well as a downstate Illinois "Super Airport" in the middle of the Peoria, Bloomington/Normal, Springfield, Champai
37 Jaws707 : Yeah I've heard that idea before. The reason I believe that one is flawed is because everyone would have a rather long drive to the airport. Its just
38 IADLHR : At one time, not that long ago, AA was the big boy in town. They had numerous flights PIA-STL and of course ORD. While the ORD flights are still oper
39 IADLHR : PIA.I might add, is the only airport I have seen where one can not buy food beyond security. They only offer vending machines and sometimes, I have f
40 Acey559 : I know there's still a big push for more service out of the Quad Cities. Bruce Carter really wants service to LAS, PHX, NYC, and DCA (I think, maybe I
41 IADLHR : Bruce Carter, used to be in PIA. If I remember correctly he left PIA when he got passed over for the top job in PIA a number of years ago. As for PHX
42 FlyPeoria : Evans did have health problems for some time before he decided to retire last year. AA probably handles the most pax at PIA since they also have the
43 FlyPeoria : BMI had the Nashville service around the same time frame (1991-1995) as PIA. I can't remember if CMI had it as well. They might have. DPJ
44 FlyPeoria : Carter was Airport Director 1994-1998 before he went to MLI. Before PIA, he was SPI's director. Peoria airport officials have long tried for PHX serv
45 Mli717fan : He did have health problems, and I still have a lot of respect for him. However, LaHood has been more successful at brining congressional dollars to
46 FlyPeoria : Maybe Phil Hare will be able to do so after learning the ropes? PIA officials courted HP in 1988 after losing NW mainline service to DTW and MSP but
47 EXAAUADL : If FL left BMI (i pray they dont), I think youll see Alliegiant re-introduce PIA-SFB...The area couldnt support an M80 and 717 to Orlando area, so All
48 EXAAUADL : BTW I remember seeing in PIA around 230pm in the afternoon in the early 1980s a TWA 727-100/200, a CO 727-200 and an OZ DC-9 all on the groiund at the
49 FlyPeoria : I think DL could best serve the Central Illinois market not by going head to head against FL at BMI but by serving both PIA and CMI from ATL. AA bega
50 FlyPeoria : I remember that well. When I went to a private grade school in Bartonville in 1982-1983, coming home each afternoon would often mean seeing the CO 72
51 EXAAUADL : I never remember seeing a TWA ticket counter in PIA in prior to 1981. I remember in 1977, see OZ and CO, CO's counter is where DL and UA would be toda
52 FlyPeoria : MVA actually came to PIA in 1979. Just prior to the OZ strike that September, we had four commuters - Brower, Coleman Air Transport, MVA and Northern
53 EXAAUADL : Oh yeah, forgot Braniff briefly served PIA from may 1989 until Sep 1989 from MCI.
54 OzarkD9S : Braniff Express actually, with Air Midwest doing the honors IIRC.
55 Mli717fan : Hare has the opportunity to do great things for the community, especially now since democrats have the majority in congress. I agree, perhaps DL coul
56 Post contains links FlyPeoria : Here's four route maps 1980-1984. http://www.departedflights.com/routemaps8a.html Links to some 1979 and 1983 schedules at some airports in the regio
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