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TAM 100th Aircraft: 2nd MD-11 Delivered  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

Today TAM received its second MD-11, currently parked in GRU and will start full service next week. TAM now runs 3 daily flights to CDG.

Another MD-11 is expected for delivery in March/07. TAM's MD-11 are an interim solution until the B77W are received in 2008.

Yesterday TAM also received an additional A319 (XFW-SID-MCP) , which therefore increased TAM total fleet to 100 planes a milestone in TAM expansion drive.

TAM fleet composition:

10 x A332
2 x MD-11
52 x A320
15 x A319
21 x F100

TAM is expected to end 2007 with at least 110 planes.

Rgs,

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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2395 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4768 times:

A nice fleet variety. It's rare to see a carrier operate a variety of mainline aircraft from three different manufacturers that does not include Boeing. Too bad it will be short lived. Nothing against Boeing, but I love MD-11's.


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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4724 times:

Will they replace the Fokkers?

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8974 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4709 times:

Congrats to TAM, they have done a very good job.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
Will they replace the Fokkers?

Yes, with A319s. Not a direct replacement because they need the extra capacity.



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4713 times:
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Actually it's great to see any airlines still picking up MD-11s to use in service in this day and age.


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User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4515 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
Will they replace the Fokkers?

Either that or retrofit their cabins, I would hope. I flew one between CGH and FLN and it all looked rather shabby inside and in stark contrast to JJ's new A319s.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2395 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 4565 times:

They've also had bad luck with their Fokkers. Not the greatest safety record.

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 4):
Actually it's great to see any airlines still picking up MD-11s to use in service in this day and age.

I agree, but it will probably be the last time we see a new pax operator of the MD-11. Too bad all of them were converted straight to freight when the airlines retired them.



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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4525 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 1):
Nothing against Boeing, but I love MD-11's.

I am sure Boeing doesn't mind, Boeing provided them, right? A stop-gap until the 777s arrive.

M


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
Will they replace the Fokkers?

As mentioned before, TAM will replace all F-100s with A319s until 2010.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 7):

I am sure Boeing doesn't mind, Boeing provided them, right? A stop-gap until the 777s arrive.

Correct, the MD-11s were part of the deal with Boeign regarding the acquisition of B77Ws - it also meant now Boeing has as its customer the biggest airline in Latin America.

M

Rgs,


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 1):
Nothing against Boeing, but I love MD-11's.

Technically, the MD-11 is a Boeing product since Douglas merged with them.  Wink I hope there will be pictures of the second JJ MD-11 soon.

BTW: Does anyone know what customer code JJ is getting at Boeing?


User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9):
the MD-11 is a Boeing product since Douglas merged with them.

Yes, as has been mentioned on this thread time and time again, Boeing ITSELF is providing JJ with the 3 M11's until it can deliver the 4 777-300ER's in 2008. Boeing is providing JJ with a "fully-integrated" solution; which may go a long way in explaining why JJ decided to place an order with them for the first time ever.

JJ's 777-300ER order with Boeing was announced on October 31, 2006 and includes four firm orders, plus four purchase rights. All four initial delivieries will be made by mid-2008.


User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 10):
Boeing is providing JJ with a "fully-integrated" solution; which may go a long way in explaining why JJ decided to place an order with them for the first time ever.

I think the aircraft's superior performance may also go a long way in explaining why JJ decided to place an order with them. I'm sure Airbus could have come up with a similar soloution had they ordered the 346.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4097 times:
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Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
Will they replace the Fokkers?

And by the middle of 2008, all Fokkers would be replaced.

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 4):
Actually it's great to see any airlines still picking up MD-11s to use in service in this day and age.

And the M11 is really nice on TAM livery !

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
Yesterday TAM also received an additional A319 (XFW-SID-MCP) , which therefore increased TAM total fleet to 100 planes a milestone in TAM expansion drive.

I believe this A319 will replace one F100, and that's why Tam do not provide a Press Release announcing their 100th plane. I'm sure they will use this fact a lot.

Quoting Willyj (Reply 11):
I think the aircraft's superior performance may also go a long way in explaining why JJ decided to place an order with them. I'm sure Airbus could have come up with a similar solution had they ordered the 346

100% correct. As pointed out by Pdpsol, both Tam's CEO and CFO confirmed that the main reason for the 77W deal was that Boeing furnished a solution Airbus at that time was not able to do, pricing and as a plus the financing with US Eximbank.



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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2395 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 7):
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 1):
Nothing against Boeing, but I love MD-11's.

I am sure Boeing doesn't mind, Boeing provided them, right? A stop-gap until the 777s arrive.

Yeah, I am sure the Boeing execs read these boards regularly for our input.  sarcastic  I just put that out as a heads up to the Boeing purists on this forum.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9):
Technically, the MD-11 is a Boeing product since Douglas merged with them.

Haha yeah right, that's pushing it a bit. They may own the rights at this time, but they had no involvement in the design. I laugh when people refer to Mad Dogs as Boeing Douglas MD-80's.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
And by the middle of 2008, all Fokkers would be replaced.

Any idea as to where they will go after TAM phases them out? KLM Cityhopper possibly?



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User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
I believe this A319 will replace one F100, and that's why Tam do not provide a Press Release announcing their 100th plane. I'm sure they will use this fact a lot.

Which Fokker 100 is slated to leave the fleet? Any idea whether TAM has put up a schedule of Fokker 100s leaving the fleet?


User currently offlineAirSpare From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 589 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

With TAM going with the "McBoeing"  Smile MD-11, then replacing them with T7s, where would you guess their A350 order will head?

Sorry for the OT question, but TAM has been mum, any guesses?

They are a great airline, their expansion is understandable, very professional, however their prices are not as competitive as they once were. Once I bought a cheap TAM for the MIA-GRU-NAT torture route, showed up at the TAM counter with a visa that was 22 days expired. They changed my ticket to fully refundable, no restrictions while I had my visa renewed. It worked out perfectly, I stayed in Natal waiting to go on a job for 3 extra weeks.

This was a few days after the 9/11 attacks and flights restarted. The fare was USD 425.00, MIA-GRU-NAT and back. Incredible.

On another trip from NAT to MCO, the flight from GRU was late, they overnighted me at MIA, even though I bought the ticket codeshare from AA. So far, their customer service has been incredible. If they would only quit the FedEx model of everything going to GRU...



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3764 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
And by the middle of 2008, all Fokkers would be replaced



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
I believe this A319 will replace one F100, and that's why Tam do not provide a Press Release announcing their 100th plane. I'm sure they will use this fact a lot.

Lipe: TAM's F-100 will only be phased out until 2010. Increased demand and time-lag for delivery of new aircraft mean that F100s will stay in TAM fleet longer than expected. As a matter of fact, not long time ago TAM was still considering both the A319 and Embraer jets as options for replacement of the F-100, with the A319 getting the upper hand.

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 14):
Which Fokker 100 is slated to leave the fleet? Any idea whether TAM has put up a schedule of Fokker 100s leaving the fleet?

No concrete schedule as yet. As mentioned above, the F100 will stay with TAM longer, at least until 2010. But market dynamics may change plans as well.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 13):
Any idea as to where they will go after TAM phases them out? KLM Cityhopper possibly?

I think they will go to many different operators. Last year one of TAM F100 was delivered to Iran Air. But KLM will certainly be the main destination of the old and worn out frames....

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3691 times:
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Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 14):
Which Fokker 100 is slated to leave the fleet? Any idea whether TAM has put up a schedule of Fokker 100s leaving the fleet?

Announced on Tam 3Q 2006 results, to be all returned by the first quarter of 2009 and not 2008 as i informed.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
Lipe: TAM's F-100 will only be phased out until 2010. Increased demand and time-lag for delivery of new aircraft mean that F100s will stay in TAM fleet longer than expected. As a matter of fact, not long time ago TAM was still considering both the A319 and Embraer jets as options for replacement of the F-100, with the A319 getting the upper hand.

I doubt Hardi, they already have plans for the replacement (the A319/A320 bought last year). If you look for their press releases, they are scheduled to depart during the next 24 months IIRC. And by 2009, they expect to keep only 5 F100 flying.

Felipe



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User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

Congrats to TAM, the only REAL international carrier of Brazil,  Wink

100 aircraft and still no flights to LAX...  Sad

Still its great to see such a diverse fleet with a fairly nice livery.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17):
Announced on Tam 3Q 2006 results, to be all returned by the first quarter of 2009 and not 2008 as i informed.

Now they already announce 2009. Funny. My source indicates 2010 while I also have sources indicating TAM will fly the Fokkers in 2012! Let's see what happens. Previously, all F100 were suppose to leave TAM in 2007, and they still have 21 of the birds!!

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 18):
100 aircraft and still no flights to LAX...

OceanAir is expected to operate GRU-BOG-LAX, while LAN already operates GRU-LIM-LAX.

Interesting but TAM contacts with Star members are deepening. Now TAM has signed an agreement with NH for flights Brazil-Japan allowing for connections in LHR, CDG and JFK. Here is the timetable:

https://www.gapnet.com.br/images/comunicados/opcoes01.gif

TAM is also negotiating with LH (FRA) and TAP (Brazil connections) for an agreement, with sources pointing out that a possible agreement TAM-Star Alliance is not at large. That would be a surprising move by TAM if it decides to join Star Alliance. (of course, TAM has arrangements with AA and AF which have to be taken into account).

Rgs,


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 14):
Which Fokker 100 is slated to leave the fleet? Any idea whether TAM has put up a schedule of Fokker 100s leaving the fleet?

Here is info about the latest F100 to leave TAM. Actually, it is a F100 from TAM Mercosur based in ASU:


Fokker 100 11394
EP-CFM Chabahar Air
delivery 17-18feb07 GRU-REC-DKR-GHA-HER-THR
ex PT-MQL

Irab based Chabahar Air already operates 4 ex-TAM:

EP-CFI ex-PT-MRU
EP-CFJ ex-PT-MRV
EP-CFK ex-PT-MRW
EP-CFL ex-PT-MRY

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3459 times:
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Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 18):
Congrats to TAM, the only REAL international carrier of Brazil,

And seems that they are back on track. I just arrived at LHR from GIG/GRU and during the last 12 months it's the first international flight i can say: it's the magic red carpet ! Amazing crew, top level ground services in both GIG and GRU, no lines, fantastic service and plane 100% perfect. The result: 9 hours of a really good sleep on a perfect C seat !

This is the TAM i love to see and fly !

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 18):
100 aircraft and still no flights to LAX...

And there is no sight of LAX in the near future!

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 19):
TAM is also negotiating with LH (FRA) and TAP (Brazil connections) for an agreement

One of the Tam directors announced a couple weeks ago that they have plans to begin this year 2 new international destinations (without even mention if it's South America, US or Europe). I'm confident that they are looking for FRA and CCS.

Felipe



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
I'm confident that they are looking for FRA and CCS.

Lipe, agree with you. I think FRA and CCS will be operated by TAM until the end of the year 2007. GRU-FRA and ASU-GRU-CCS are my hints.

TAM also decided to upgrade flights to COR: as per 29 March 2007 TAM (PZ) will operate daily flights GRU-COR therefore in direct competition with GOL, which recently also upgraded COR. TAM operates GRU-ASU-COR/GRU-AGT-COR while GOL operates GRU-POA-COR. Lets hope TAM also starts operations in ROS/Argentina soon. Nice to see airlines diversifying their market in Argentina out of EZE.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3442 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 22):
TAM also decided to upgrade flights to COR: as per 29 March 2007 TAM (PZ) will operate daily flights GRU-COR therefore in direct competition with GOL, which recently also upgraded COR. TAM operates GRU-ASU-COR/GRU-AGT-COR while GOL operates GRU-POA-COR. Lets hope TAM also starts operations in ROS/Argentina soon. Nice to see airlines diversifying their market in Argentina out of EZE.

Hardi in fact Gol runs GIG-POA-COR and not GRU, and they will upgrade it for 6x weekly by the middle of april. PZ could run the flight, but i assume they need to establish a COR-ASU flight in order to get the necessary approval. Do you have any info on this ?
ROS is now operated 3x GIG-POA-ROS, but in order to allow the increase on GIG-POA-COR, Gol will extend current BSB-POA to ROS, allowing BSB pax to become international in BSB. COR flights according to Gol staff in GIG, keep at least 70% of their pax straight to Rio and Norheast.

Felipe



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5233 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 19):
Let's see what happens. Previously, all F100 were suppose to leave TAM in 2007, and they still have 21 of the birds!!

Of those, so far here north, it's said 6 Fk.100 are heading for Click by MX in this 2007.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
And seems that they are back on track. I just arrived at LHR from GIG/GRU and during the last 12 months it's the first international flight i can say: it's the magic red carpet ! Amazing crew, top level ground services in both GIG and GRU, no lines, fantastic service and plane 100% perfect. The result: 9 hours of a really good sleep on a perfect C seat !

This is the TAM i love to see and fly !

Nice! Good to hear this! Such a shame, as above said, no JJ to LAX nor MEX!  Sad

Goooo Magic Red Carpet!!!!



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25 Hardiwv : You are 100% correct, sorry for mistake. GOL's ROS and COR flights are very successful. As far as I know, TAM would dispose of only 4 F-100s during y
26 Post contains links AMSSFO : Today TAM published a new press release http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...story/02-22-2007/0004532719&EDATE= : "Feb. 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -
27 LipeGIG : Thanks AMSSFO, i'm really expecting a press release that should explain it's not the 100th plane. And thanks to clarify the question concerning to th
28 Hardiwv : They reached 100 aircraft for a period of 3 days, when thereafter they disposed 2 F-100s. Anyway, thanks for bringing the the updated information. Wi
29 LipeGIG : Nice news Hardi ! And i departed GIG last week to LHR... one more week and i should visited the lounge. Now they need to complete the domestic lounge
30 Post contains images Jog : You mean, running something like GRU-JFK (night) JFK-GIG (day) GIG-CDG (night) CDG-GRU (night / JJ8099) and with another aircraft GRU-CDG (night / JJ
31 LipeGIG : Hi Jog! You get it ! The plane used on CDG-GIG runs instead of a GIG-GRU leg, at least 3x weekly GIG-JFK while the aircraft from JFK runs JFK-GIG and
32 Hardiwv : Agree, I think JFK-GIG nonstop (even daylight) would work better than double daily GRU-JFK. I think with its recent expansion in GIG, and the opening
33 Hardiwv : I will check the new TAM lounge on 01 May when I will fly JJ8016 GIG-EZE on C class. Anyway, what happened to RG's lounge in GIG? It must be solely u
34 LipeGIG : You Forgot the Admirals Club (AA). UX and CM probably will use AF lounge. Lan probably uses AA also. Also i expect IB and BA using AA lounge instead
35 Hardiwv : Correct! Lipe, as far as I recall IB uses AR lounge in GIGT1. But I may be wrong. Anyway, AF lounge is always crowded and sometimes too small. I also
36 Hardiwv : Latest news is that TAM will probably change one of its GIG-CDG flight to operate GIG-SSA-CDG, with the remaining 6 weekly as GIG-CDG. In addition, un
37 LipeGIG : Yes, all of them. Seems that they are now 7 with the "A32A", all with 12C 144Y. I remember heard this even before they begin the flight. And SSA is r
38 Jog : They all have 12 seats because at TAM you still get a better seat compared to the Y class seat while LH, AF etc. basically just provide you with an e
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