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First Picture Of The PW6000 Powered LAN A318  
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14837 times:

I searched but found nothing on the subject. Here it is, LA's first A318 and the first PW6000 powered A318 that's getting ready for delivery:

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About time the PW6000 enters service.

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User currently onlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4722 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14830 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Thread starter):

Thanks for the pic, it looks very good !

But what is it doing in TLS, and why has it a French reg ? Never seen that on German-assembled Airbuses before.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14818 times:

What are the dorsal fins on the side of the engines?

User currently offlineAri From UK - England, joined May 2005, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14817 times:

Anybody know what kind of routing it will be taking to reach south america?!?

aRi


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14791 times:

Quoting Ari (Reply 3):
Anybody know what kind of routing it will be taking to reach south america?!?

If it had folding wings they could have just shuved the whole thing into a beluga!  

Anbody know what the situation is with the A318 and LCY certification? Could be a big sales booster.

[Edited 2007-02-17 16:16:36]

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14724 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 1):
But what is it doing in TLS, and why has it a French reg ? Never seen that on German-assembled Airbuses before.

Probably some extra flight testing prior to delivery. That's my guess.

Quoting Ari (Reply 3):
Anybody know what kind of routing it will be taking to reach south america?!?

Who knows. Regardless of whether it will be delivered through SMA and MAO or through DKR and MAO, the initial routing might be very long and tight in range if it doesn't have any temporary aux tanks, but once in South America, probably Brazil, it shouldn't be very difficult to get the A318 to SCL.

I guess the delivery might be XFW-SMA-MAO-SCL with aux tanks. The same if delivery is from TLS.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9240 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14667 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
What are the dorsal fins on the side of the engines?

Vortex generators found on other 320 models as well, cuts down on the engine/pylon interference on the wing.



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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2381 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14667 times:
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Grea photo. Saw it in FXW in primer cls.
Anyone know the exact first inaugural flight date for LA? Any proposed routings?

Mario
LH526



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9240 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14650 times:

Quoting LH526 (Reply 7):
Anyone know the exact first inaugural flight date for LA? Any proposed routings?

Just noticed that that aircraft has the trailing probe as well, which means its a certification flight, will have to wait for it to get certified first.



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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2381 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14621 times:
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Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):
Just noticed that that aircraft has the trailing probe as well, which means its a certification flight

Noticed that too, that's why I asked  Smile



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User currently onlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4722 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14558 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
I guess the delivery might be XFW-SMA-MAO-SCL with aux tanks. The same if delivery is from TLS.

Depending on the MTOW LA has selected, aux tanks might not be needed at all. Additionally, you can chose a route where you don't need them, even with a low MTOW. I suspect that's what they'll do.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14501 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 10):
Depending on the MTOW LA has selected, aux tanks might not be needed at all. Additionally, you can chose a route where you don't need them, even with a low MTOW. I suspect that's what they'll do.

I should have been more clear, so I apologise for the misunderstanding. With aux tanks, I meant temporary aux tanks, similar to those used on delivery flights of 717s to Hawaii.


User currently offlineVictorKilo From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14378 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 10):
Additionally, you can chose a route where you don't need them, even with a low MTOW. I suspect that's what they'll do.

SID-FOR is only 1536 nm - well within the range of a A318, yet alone an A318 without passengers. So I don't see why they would need to use aux tanks to get the aircraft from Africa to South America - and you certainly wouldn't need them to get from TLS (where the picture was taken) to SID, or FOR to SCL. Even if you needed a fuel stop in between TLS-SID or FOR-SCL, you certainly woudn't need to spend the money to modify the cabin for aux tanks.


User currently onlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4722 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14357 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11):
I should have been more clear, so I apologise for the misunderstanding. With aux tanks, I meant temporary aux tanks, similar to those used on delivery flights of 717s to Hawaii.

No, I've understood you ! Still, see here why even those are unnecessary:

Quoting VictorKilo (Reply 12):
SID-FOR is only 1536 nm - well within the range of a A318, yet alone an A318 without passengers. So I don't see why they would need to use aux tanks to get the aircraft from Africa to South America - and you certainly wouldn't need them to get from TLS (where the picture was taken) to SID, or FOR to SCL. Even if you needed a fuel stop in between TLS-SID or FOR-SCL, you certainly woudn't need to spend the money to modify the cabin for aux tanks.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14170 times:

Wow. What a beautiful aircraft indeed.

How many does LA have in order?

Whats the backlog on the A318?

Drew



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8691 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13867 times:

I agree its too beautiful. I'm curious to know the routes LAN will use them on.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13363 times:

That is the most beautiful livery on an A318 so far. Great that LAN Chile will soon have it in service. When are the rest due to follow?

What are the facilities at Ilheus like? A three leg TLS-DKR-IOS-SCL ferry routing would be relatively easy, with 2500+/- mile segments - well below the A318's 3,250 nm range limit.

I believe LCY certification is targetted for the first half of this year. The Airbus site says LA would use the A318s for domestic operations.

We may finally know if Pratt & Whitney is successful in this iteration of the PW6000 engine.

[Edited 2007-02-17 23:08:19]


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User currently offlineMinuteman From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13305 times:

Are those brake fans on the mains? It seems unusual that a baby bus would need them, especially when it has thrust reversers.


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13165 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 16):
I believe LCY certification is targetted for the first half of this year.

It would be great if WX ordered the A318 as they could use the maintainace & training facilities of AF, and offer a proper 5 abreast business class. With the new Avros arriving however this looks like only a long term possibility.


User currently offlineFelipemia89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12334 times:

Beautiful aircraft! Can't wait until its inaugural flight for LAN.

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5726 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12287 times:

What a gorgeous looking Aircraft, cant WAIT to tryout LAN!


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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12032 times:

The engines almost look as large as the fuselage.

Great looking livery though.



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User currently offlineCF188A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10917 times:

can someone please tell me ... what the point in the A318 really was? I mean it is not more efficient than the EMB series... if i read these forums correctly.? How much life does this aircraft really have in store?

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10883 times:

Quoting CF188A (Reply 22):
can someone please tell me ... what the point in the A318 really was?

I believe Airbus wanted to enter the 100 seat market with the A318. In all fairness, we could probably ask the same thing about the Boeing 737-600.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5726 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10868 times:

Quoting CF188A (Reply 22):
How much life does this aircraft really have in store?

There is a small need for it, you will see some airlines either buy the aircraft as a step up from props, or for others, as a 737-500/DC-9 replacement



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25 CanadianNorth : A slightly shrunk A319 basically, to offer a 100 seat version of the popular A320 series. It is heavier and larger than the Embraer 190 but hauls rou
26 DEVILFISH : To be more specific, 9 more than the E190 and 1 less pax than the E195, significantly farther with substantially more cargo.
27 CF188A : which...the Embraer or the 318?
28 Mexicana757 : Nice looking LAN A318. That would be the A318
29 A342 : The A318 also has a better airfield performance than the E-series, maybe that point was imortant to LA.
30 Post contains links DEVILFISH : Twenty (20) according to this Flightglobal report..... http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...testing-five-years-later-than.html Quote: "The first Pr
31 A342 : You should include the A318Elite backlog, then the figure almost doubles.
32 WINGS : That is correct DEVILFISH. Lan currently have 20 A318 on firm order. I believe that LAN also hold some options as well. Here are the correct figures
33 Danny : IMO will convert to 320/321.
34 Post contains images KL808 : Maybe DEVILFISH meant PW powered. But thanks WINGS for the backlog update. Hopefully those 15 US frames will get delivered as 318's. Drew
35 Areopagus : How much performance/CASM improvement is claimed for the PW6000 variant?
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