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The 738SFP And LCY  
User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Reading the other thread about the A318 with the spanking new PW6000 engines, and there someone came up with the LCY certification. This made me wonder: is the 738SFP certified or does it even need a certification at all to operate out of LCY? After all GOL operates with them out of SDU and that has a 185m shorter runway. If an A318 certified out of LCY would be a moneymaker for anyone, then the 738SFP would be even more such with it's lower CASM.


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User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

Quoting PEET7G (Thread starter):
Reading the other thread about the A318 with the spanking new PW6000 engines, and there someone came up with the LCY certification. This made me wonder: is the 738SFP certified or does it even need a certification at all to operate out of LCY? After all GOL operates with them out of SDU and that has a 185m shorter runway. If an A318 certified out of LCY would be a moneymaker for anyone, then the 738SFP would be even more such with it's lower CASM.

Good Q, I think operating the 738 would maybe be problematic due to limited parking space (just a guess on my behalf).
Also the steep approach can be a factor (5.5° slope IIRC), probably the 737-6 or 7 or just as capable as the 318 but need to be specifically rated for this airport?



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Acceptance of aircraft at LCY is not so much do do with runway length, but more to do with approach certification.


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4679 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Quoting ArniePie (Reply 1):
Also the steep approach can be a factor (5.5° slope IIRC), probably the 737-6 or 7 or just as capable as the 318 but need to be specifically rated for this airport?

Yes, the approach is the problem. If any 737 could do it, then I guess it would be the -600. IMO no chance for the -800, even with the SFP package.



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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

i wonder what would happen if a B772 or A332 landed in there what would happen?
and what was the largest aircraft ever landed in that airport, no matter what for (emergency, medical, storm,.,.,etc)


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 4):
i wonder what would happen if a B772 or A332 landed in there what would happen?

They would end up in the Water  Wink


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Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 4):
what was the largest aircraft ever landed in that airport,

Currently, the A318 I believe.


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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 5):
They would end up in the Water

lool funny
what is the length of that runway? i am sure that 738 & 739 can land here, but as you know the restrictions wouldn't allow


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 6):
what is the length of that runway?

4948ft / 1508m



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4668 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 4):
i wonder what would happen if a B772 or A332 landed in there what would happen?

landing light, slow, low and full braking it might just make it..... getting out however is a big nono



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User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 8):
landing light, slow, low and full braking it might just make it..... getting out however is a big nono

It would, even the -300ER of course empty! However taking off for the -200LR looking at the charts would really be demanding, and forget payload and better be equipped with the -115B GE hairdryers  bigthumbsup  and this taking only the 1500m runway lenght into consideration. From +20C you'll probably end up in the water  Smile



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8653 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Im guessing the largest a/c getting certified would be the 73G/319. Yes the approach needs to be certifed for these a/c, but I have a feeling it can be done.

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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 2):
Acceptance of aircraft at LCY is not so much do do with runway length, but more to do with approach certification.

Noise is also an issue.

Can the 737 do a 5.5deg approach?


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
Can the 737 do a 5.5deg approach?

I'm sure it is technically capable but having to certify it for day to day ops with pax is another matter. And with limited applications (only EGLC has a 5.5deg GP that would be landing aircaft this size) I don't think Boeing can be bothered to go through all that trouble to sell just a few planes. Taxiing restrictions apply when an A318 is on the apron. I doubt they'll let more than one aircraft of this size on the apron at any time.

Or a spiral approach Bagdad style? Even a B744 can technically do a 5.5deg but it'll be a hell of a thump on touchdown!

Can anyone remind me what causes EGLC to adopt a 5.5deg GP? An obstacle? EGLL departures? Noise abatement? Can a hybrid approach be possible? 5.5deg to start with until 4Nm final, reducing to 3deg? That'll keep the rate of desent low for the touch down, no?



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