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Why No LCC At MIA?  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6439 posts, RR: 17
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

The 4 big US LCC (WN,FL,B6,F9) have a combined, what, 4 flights at MIA. Thanks FL!

Why such a dismal presence?

Befoe anyone mentions FLL...so what? These carriers don't seem to have a problems serving multiple airports in New York, Los Angeles or Bay Area. Hell SFO just lured WN back!

MIA is not that congested. FL had a BWI flight. Its gone. DAB gets a BWI flight, but MIA doesn't?

So why the lack of service?


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

My guess is it's partly a combination of FLL being close by (WN has a large operation there), high costs with MIA (I've heard somewhere that the costs at MIA for users are much higher than average, which would be something that LCCs don't like) and the AA hub probably doesn't help.

It's no more than a 45 minute drive from MIA to FLL (I've done this timed on the back roads, going all the way taking Route 1 up to the 96th St Bridge, taking a left onto A1A in Bal Harbour (north of where all the construction is, which starts just south of Bal Harbour, at least as of right now) and taking that up to Hollywood and cutting back over. Not all too unreasonable.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

Operating costs are very high. AirTran has five daily flights to Atlanta and Chicago, but that's it. However, as FLL continues to suffer from lack of space, I think another LCC might give in sooner or later.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

Three reasons:

1. FLL (I know that you dont want to hear it but its relevant).......FLL is South Florida's airport of choice for domestic travel and LCC travel. Many pax prefer FLL over MIA for domestic services.

2. AA........AA rules at MIA and competing with AA at its very important MIA hub is a difficult task. I dont think that any of the LCCs want to get into a major battle with AA at MIA when the FLL alternative is available. It will be difficult for an LCC to establish itself at MIA.....AA will match whatever fares the LCC offers and will entice all of its AAdvantage members with triple miles, etc.

3. Operating costs at MIA are rather high.


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It will be interesting to see which LCC makes a move and attempts service to MIA.......there were strong rumors that JetBlue was giving MIA a very serious look (its the missing link in their Florida system) but, so far, nothing has been announced.


User currently offlineUpsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 815 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3359 times:
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Isn't US an LCC? They fly to MIA from many origins so I guess there is an LCC at MIA now.

John


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4071 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

Operating costs at MIA are extremely high, which no doubt keeps LCCs from coming in, similarly to DFW, and increasingly up at SEA-TAC. DEN used to have this problem, but the disposal sale of some of the old Stapleton site has enabled the City of Denver to lower the costs at DEN by roughly one third over the last couple of years. When it costs airlines roughly $15.00 (USD) per head to get them into a certain airport like MIA, LCC carriers, especially WN will avoid such. Pretty much 4 airports in North America are considered high priced, and beyond the cost structure of most LCC business plans. These airports include MIA, DFW, SEA and YYZ.


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

I would think US is an LCC when they have prices that beat other competetiors.

Deltairlines and Dutchjet explain it to perfection why carriers do not serve MIA over FLL.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 6):
I would think US is an LCC when they have prices that beat other competetiors.

LCC = Low Cost Carrier.

LCC does not equal "prices that beat other competitors".



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User currently offlineAirScoot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

Quoting Upsmd11 (Reply 4):
Isn't US an LCC? They fly to MIA from many origins so I guess there is an LCC at MIA now.



Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 7):
LCC = Low Cost Carrier.

LCC does not equal "prices that beat other competitors".

Just because someone calls themselves a low cost carrier doesn't make it true. Same goes for changing your stock symbol to LCC. I think the discussion is on low fare carrier.

That being said, there is always Theodore.. err.. Ted out of MIA (rar).


User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

AA would swallow them whole..


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3232 times:
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Per the Miami Herald it cost $15.00 per head at MIA, since its a big internatioal airport big ticket prices can absorb this. FLL is about $5.00 per head, a cost much more friendly for $99.00 to New York. Jet Blue has 16 A320 to NYC evry day, Delta has many flights to JFk adn LGA too so the lower cost does matter.

User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

Quoting AirScoot (Reply 8):
Just because someone calls themselves a low cost carrier doesn't make it true. Same goes for changing your stock symbol to LCC. I think the discussion is on low fare carrier.

If its a discussion on a low fare carrier, then why is the title about low cost carriers?



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 3074 times:

One other thing to remember, there is a rail link between MIA and FLL that gets overlooked. In fact PBI is also on the same rail line. And it doesn't take that long for a train to get from MIA to FLL either.

But if I had a choice, I would probably fly into FLL. Its a nicer airport, in a nicer area, and with what I feel is better highway access. MIA better do something about their costs, because it seems like everyone is downsizing there save AA, and truthfully, I think it will get to a point where legacy carriers maintain a token presence at best there. And if you want to see airlines use bigger AC, they tend to send them to FLL and not MIA. I have seen CO 753's and DL 757's in FLL for example.


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