A340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1973 posts, RR: 26 Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14276 times:
Since I was slow in typing, will suggest deleting my thread and just post here...
Per the FAA.GOV site...
Due to OTHER/NOTAM A0908/07, there is a Traffic Management Program in effect for traffic arriving Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, Cleveland, OH (CLE).
Airport NOTAM'd closed as of 2010z due to an aircraft off of runway 28. Snow squall going through the airport at the time:
Flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14237 times:
Cactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2380 posts, RR: 33 Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14107 times:
Flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 11 Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14079 times:
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4657 posts, RR: 45 Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13992 times:
Flight is Delta Connection 6448 (Operated by Shuttle America) ATL-CLE. Aircraft type is EMB170.
Cactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2380 posts, RR: 33 Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13955 times:
MtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2121 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13879 times:
Delta Express, huh!?!? Nice to see the media is up to their normal selves.
A340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1973 posts, RR: 26 Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13855 times:
Airport reopened at 2130z...
First flight landing now (2140z)...
JSD
"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
SWAOPSusafATC From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13845 times:
Funny I was just coming online to ask the same question. I was working Clearance and saw that GS come out due to aircraft incident and weather (not verbatim). I knew this was where to look first! I assumed it was an aircraft sliding off the runway but wanted to be sure. I am glad everyone is okay.
Mbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 788 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13753 times:
Any indicatin as to which runway? I read that it was in the fence near West Hanger Road, but I am unsure as to that location. If it was one of the 24s then these folks had a heck of a ride!
Let Me Tell You, Landing A 772ER Is Harder Than It Looks!
Flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13713 times:
Mbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 788 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13666 times:
Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 17): At the time of the incident, they were using 28. Now they are using 6.
Landings on 10/28 make me nervous in dry weather, much less in snow squalls like we have been experiencing today. Luckily they did not slide across the road as the rocky river valley is extremely close to the end of 28.
FYI - 10/28 is just over 6000 ft long.
Let Me Tell You, Landing A 772ER Is Harder Than It Looks!
Dl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1555 posts, RR: 18 Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13532 times:
Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 12): Delta Express, huh!?!? Nice to see the media is up to their normal selves
CNN initially said the airline was Shuttlecraft. They've got it right now.
Skibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13506 times:
Chrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 843 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13456 times:
here's a photo from the scene. this was taken from the Brookpark Rd. bridge over the Rocky River, just past the NASA entrance.
BatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 724 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13372 times:
Quoting Chrisjake (Reply 22): here's a photo from the scene. this was taken from the Brookpark Rd. bridge over the Rocky River, just past the NASA entrance.
Great picture Chris. Any idea how much damage was done to the airplane? It looks like it just hit the fence.
OptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13290 times:
Yikes,
Not only was at at CLE when the incident happened, but N862RW is the 170 that took me from IND to ATL two weeks ago.
Quoting BatonOps (Reply 23): Any idea how much damage was done to the airplane? It looks like it just hit the fence.
I think the news stated that there was engine damage to both... but we know how reliable they are.. could it be possible we see the first e170 scrapped?
Why do I fly???
25 BAW2198: From the pictures above it doesn't look like the fuselage buckled at all, but that tree is hiding some of the front part. I'm curious to see what the
27 Chrisjake: thanks. it really didn't look damaged at all from where i was. if anything, possible the landing gear. there is ALOT of snow on the ground right now
28 Falcon84: Glad I wasn't at work today, that's for sure. We haven't cut a break all week at CLE. There was the snowstorm, that hampered us through Thursday; then
29 Flyinryan99: The only way it would be scrapped was if there are wrinkles in the fuselage and the spars are bent. The engines can easily be replaced and I think th
30 BatonOps: Another great shot Chris. Too bad you can't get to the nose of the aircraft. It doesn't look like the aircraft would be write off but then again we o
31 AndrewUber: Great photo - and a really nice portfolio of pics you've got there! Looks like that RJ could be damaged significantly... let's hope it's not much wor
33 Cubsrule: If the WN bird from the MDW incident can fly again, there should be no reason this one can't. The only potential problem is that it's away from home
34 Redngold: The nose of the aircraft breached the perimeter fence at West Hangar Rd. It is, apparently, still mostly buried in snow. The engines are also fairly d
35 XJET: This aircraft was operated by Republic Holdings/Chatauqua/Shuttle America........
36 BatonOps: CNN is reporting that the aircraft struck the localizer antenna at the end of the runway. That will probably cause a good bit of damage.
37 AirTranTUS: Isn't that family of aircraft known as the Embraer 180? If so, it should have been able to turn around and pull itself out of the snow.
38 Chrisjake: the passengers where taken on 2 buses marked "Car Rentals" and 1 white van. i can vouch for the conditions at the time. i was on I-90 in the middle of
39 Redngold: That must have been for the passengers suspected of causing the crash. [an in-joke for the KCLE spotting crowd - NOT serious!]
40 Mattbna: I really hate to see this happen... Before the SLC-BNA route went mainline DL MD-90, Shuttle America was running 170s SLC-BNA... About a year ago, I
41 S12PPL: Brand new plane....That's really too bad Hope it doesn't have to be scrapped
42 EMBQA: Not even close.... Anything can be repaired. Heck a few years back they put a whole new nose on a Expressjet E145 that landed hard in CLE in a snow s
43 SLCUT2777: See reply #33 above by cubsrule. I think Republic holdings will get this thing back on it's wings again sooner than later. The EMB-170s have been qui
44 Drewwright: Small world. I flew that plane last week with one of the Fa's from the incident.... DRW
45 N766UA: 826, huh? I just worked her this morning, musta been coming back for more. I'll see if I can grab an update or 2 at work, but I'd imagine it won't be
46 JetJeanes: 2 cracks were found already, both about 10 inches long in the cockpit, above the Left and right seat under the F/O and captn when they stood up to exi
47 Flyinryan99: Two things to remember; 1 is Shuttle America has a maintenance hub in CMH. Wouldn't be hard to drive some mechanics up there and borrow some space (ok
48 S5FA170: Not too far from the truth, that is Shuttle America's callsign. (For now, anyway).
49 Rampkontroler: It was definitely a rough day at Hopkins today all around, and then this "little" incident...Kudos to all those who worked through it, and to the CLEA
50 JBo: Does the only scrapping going on will be their shorts?
51 WYG737LVR: It was a few years ago, but look at what happened to Air Canada 604 C-GAUN, aka, the Gimli Glider. She suffered pretty significant damage, and she was
52 Litz: I'd give the WN overrun @ MDW credit for some of the most severe damage, repaired and returned to service. Given how new the EMB170 in question is, u
53 Jetpixx: I am flying on this flight on Friday from ATL...I was excited about my first E170 flight. Now, not sure sure - lol. Glad everyone is all right!
54 N766UA: Nothing much to report. As of 0430 this morning it was still out there, but it was gone when I was headed home so they must have pulled her out and to
55 EMBQA: Nothing to get excited about. Embraer will have a Engineering Support Team on-site by days end, or by Tuesday. They will look it over and decide the b
56 Lincoln: At least no injuries and all of the pax seem to be speaking highly of the crew. Did DL protect the pax on another DL flight or on one of the CO/CoEx
57 OptionsCLE: I would doubt it. Atlanta was one of the cities to be canceled last night so I'm sure CO had a lot of its own passengers to fly out the next day.
58 727forever: ABX hasn't operated 707s since their days as Midwest. Could this be a DC-8-63 that you are referring to? Is this METAR current for the time of the in
59 Lincoln: Can you (or anyone else ) translate for the lowly plebes? I do know that the passengers interviewed by Fox8 said that they couldn't see anything but
60 Dc9northwest: METAR: Meteorological Terminal Area Report, I think. Basically the weather at a certain time.
61 Greenair727: Could somebody break down how to read this? CLE = airport in question SPECI = ? 182017Z = ? etc... I'd very grateful, thanks!
62 XJET: Station: CLE SPECI: Special Observation 182017: 18th day at 2017 Zulu 33013G19KT: Wind from 330 degrees at 13 knots gusting to 19 knots 1/4 +SN: 1/4
63 Dc9northwest: 182017Z is Greenwich Mean Time: 11.20.17 Cleveland wind 13kts @330 gusts to 19kts +SN heavy snow. BKN... broken clouds at FL... (300 ft and 1000ft) OV
64 727forever: Sure, no problem. CLE = Airport, Cleveland Hopkins SPECI = Special Observation, meaning a reason to issue a special non-scheduled observation 182017Z
65 Greenair727: Thank you for explaining the METAR.
67 Rikkus67: Although DECADES ago, this DC-8 with JAL had a remarkable rebuild. It was badly damaged in a landing incident. The hull was seperated into pieces, shi
68 Litz: Yep ... brain fart. Here's an a.net article link (the VERY FIRST article on a.net, no less) : http://www.airliners.net/articles/read.main?id=1 and th
69 JetJeanes: The JAL that landed short in Sfo was not a 707 but a dc-8. We got that 8 many years later at ABX. We never had any 707,s even when it was midwest char
70 JetJeanes: Now we had an old Saudi Air either dc-8 and it looked like and old national 8 sitting out there to practice with for fire crews, etc.. they were strip
71 OPNLguy: For the sake of argument, let's assume CLE tower cut a new ATIS, but that weather isn't necessarily below minimums. It's easy to retroactively make t
72 727forever: Hi OPNLguy. To date I have always agreed with just about every post of yours that I have read. I still maintain that I agree with most of what you ha
73 S5FA170: I never once flew with a captain at Shuttle America that I thought had too little experience to be sitting in the left seat on that airplane. MANY of
74 Lincoln: Just for the record, local media is reporting that the previous arriving flight (8 minutes prior) reported GOOD braking action. I'm not sure if this
75 727forever: I am hoping that more information surfaces such as the tower/approach did not relay the special METAR information about the heavy snow to the Captain
76 S5FA170: This could have happened to any airline. And from what I remember it was publically stated that Chautauqua was not the lowest bidder for Continental
77 JetJeanes: You re correct this could have happened to anyone. The weather has been crappy in the region and lots of snow and ice so luckly no one was injured. Im
78 XJET: Not hardly, my friend. This is true. Runway 28 was being used due to snow removal on the 6's. There was an FDC NOTAM issued for the ILS rwy 28 approa
79 S5FA170: I meant it was ExpressJet who decided to walk away with the airplanes. Isn't that what happened? Continental gave them a figure that they rejected so
80 OPNLguy: My point exactly, i.e. nobody has any enough factual information to reach any accurate conclusions. It may surprise you, but I pretty much agree, wit
81 Skibum9: What? It is the responsibility of the flight crew to get the appropriate weather information, like acquiring the current ATIS, which is updated when
82 XJET: I dont want to drift from the topic so I will keep this short instead of making it the 50 paragraph epistle that it deserves. Yes, XE decided to keep
83 S5FA170: Sorry for the misunderstanding and thank you for clarifying.
84 727forever: So, what?, I pick up the ATIS as soon as possible which is generally 150-200 miles from the destination airport. This is done so that an approach bri
85 Skibum9: I would say that picking up the ATIS 150-200 miles out, at the top of your descent profile for safety reasons and not re-checking it, given the elaps
86 LTBEWR: Here's a link to a newspaper article today on this incident. http://www.examiner.com/a-575024~Sno...vice_when_jet_slid_off_runway.html Apparently the
87 727forever: There is loads of time for this during multiple step downs in busy airspace. Try LGA at about 7:30am or 4:30pm. I want both pilots on freq listening.
88 Highflier92660: I just saw an interview with poor Fred Szabo where he repeatedly mentioned to reporters that runway 28/10 was both FAA certified and legal, going furt
89 XJET: No, the glideslope was in service. However there was a NOTAM issued for the approach stating that the GS may be unreliable due to snow in the vicinit
90 727forever: I too am very curious as to exactly what the real wx was at the time 1) the approach clearance was issued, and 2) what it actually was at the time of
91 Rampkontroler: My shift started at 1500 that day, and I arrived at my position above the C concourse at about 1440. I laughed when I got upstairs because you couldn'
92 Redngold: So, given conditions, and knowing that what goes up must come down, who can fault this pilot for trying to get the danged thing down on the ground?
94 EMBQA: I have not seen the pictures, but have talked with people that have seen them. It's pretty banged up and no decision has been made yet as to what the
95 Alessandro: I wonder if Embraer will partly foot the bill, a write-off would be bad for them?
96 OPNLguy: FWIW, this accident's entry on www.aviation-safety.net shows it has having been written off...
97 EMBQA: That is not yet been determined and I know this for a fact.
98 OPNLguy: Precisely why I prefaced my comment with "FWIW"....
99 Dan2002: Yesterday I saw a flatbed truck hauling a jet engine down the road, I wonder if it has anything to do with the 170?
100 Mattbna: You left out a few things, Dan... Where was this and how big did the engine appear to be? I see engines on flatbed trucks passing through Nashville a
101 Mattbna: I e-mailed them and asked them to change that - within 10 mintues it had been changed. Matt --
102 N766UA: Word on the street is 3 months, back in service in May. She hasn't been given up for dead, yet.
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. Last week, I mentioned to my college roommate how winter incidents at CLE are not uncommon...and sure enough, a week later...
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