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Profitable Airlines On Indian Routes!  
User currently offlineB773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

I think the most profiable airlines on Indian routes are:
BA - Service from BOM, DEL to LHR
LH- Service from BOM, DEL to FRA
LX - Very profitable BOM- ZRH
DL- Also very profitable BOM-JFK-ATL
9W- Doing great on BOM-LHR, BOM-SIN Routes.
SQ- Doing Extremely Well BOM-SIN
Aslo, QR, Gulf Air, EK,- Doing very well in middle east

Can you thinl of any more ?

Not doing very well,
CX BOM-DXB, BOM-HKG VIA BKK
BR BOM-TPE
AI - Some of the Routes
OS - No Clue
SAA - BOM-JNB ?
KQ- BOM-NBO ?
Aeroflot ??

Can you think of any more ?

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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

I guess Finnair is doing ok, as they just decided to expand their HEL-DEL service to daily. And will open a new route to BOM.

User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

I would think TG deserves to be on that list...


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User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

try linking to this thread...

American / Alitalia To Pull Out India Market (by Jimyvr Feb 18 2007 in Civil Aviation)

might get a few more replies!!



flying is the safest form of transport - until humans get involved!
User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

Quoting B773ER (Thread starter):
BA - Service from BOM, DEL to LHR
LH- Service from BOM, DEL to FRA
LX - Very profitable BOM- ZRH
DL- Also very profitable BOM-JFK-ATL
9W- Doing great on BOM-LHR, BOM-SIN Routes.
SQ- Doing Extremely Well BOM-SIN

BA - DEL, BOM, BLR, CCU, MAA
VS - DEL, BOM (DEL upgraded to A340-600)
LH - BOM, DEL, BLR, CCU, HYD

As for 9W, at the present moment they are running a loss on LHR-India routes, but they should all be profitably by this year as mentioned in their investor presentation. LHR-BOM load factor has risen with BD leaving the route and LHR-ATQ has been upgraded to 6 weekly.


User currently offlineB773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

Quuoting: Concorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 993 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted Sun Feb 18 2007 17:16:28 your local time (25 secs ago) and read 0 times:


"the route and LHR-ATQ has been upgraded to 6 weekly."

What does this mean though ?


User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

Quoting B773ER (Reply 5):
What does this mean though ?

LHR-ATQ used to run three times a week, it has now been upgraded to six times a week until March end.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4766 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

Quoting B773ER (Thread starter):
9W- Doing great on BOM-LHR

9W lost over USD 40 million in 2006 on their India-UK flights.

Quoting B773ER (Thread starter):
LH- Service from BOM, DEL to FRA

LH makes a killer too on the BLR route as does BA.

Does NWA make decent $$$ on the BOM route?

I would expect Thai too to be making good money on all their Indian services.

Im surprised to see that LX and DL are very profitable...I find this hard to believe.

I believe that AF too is doing well on BLR/DEL/BOM routes..esp BLR.

How are JL and MH doing?


User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 7):
Does NWA make decent $$$ on the BOM route?

The loads are pretty high on BOM-AMS segment through out the year. Of course, that might or not indicate profitability, but I remember reading long time back that it was a profitable route for NW.

I am not sure on TG and MH services to BLR being fully profitable. According to what I have heard, the weekend loads are pretty good, but weekday loads are nothing to write about!


User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1369 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

How about UL? It flies to more destinations in India than AI.

User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3219 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 8):
I am not sure on TG and MH services to BLR being fully profitable. According to what I have heard, the weekend loads are pretty good, but weekday loads are nothing to write about!

It seems like TG is doing considerably better now - the operate a daily 333 (instead of the 300) and the loads are consistently high (based only on anecdotal inputs!). MH is another game altogether though, they continue with very unfriendly 3x pw flights to BLR.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4747 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 7):
Im surprised to see that LX and DL are very profitable...I find this hard to believe.

Can't speak for LX but DL has been profitable since the first flight...



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineAI From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 8):

NW/KL consistently comes up as one of the cheaper options (if not the cheapest) for UK-AMS-BOM.
I am flying with them in May (after having promised myself never to fly with NW again about 2 yrs ago) & i got a deal for 308£ MAN-BOM-MAN. It was considerably cheaper than the other options from MAN & also transit times in AMS are better than other airlines.
So even though loads might be higher for NW AMS-BOM, I am not sure how that translates to profitability.

AI.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2964 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

LH is doing very very well on all their Indian flights and they would even do if they could flight twice a day!

EK is also a big player at India as well as EY.


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3098 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

AI is based in BOM and should be doing pretty well on routes like BOM/DEL - LHR/FRA/JFK/ORD/EWR.....also Gulf routes like DXB/MCT/AUH/KWI/RUH/JED.....flights to SIN would also be doing well.....

Which would be the poor faring routes for AI....?


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2964 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 14):
AI is based in BOM and should be doing pretty well on routes like BOM/DEL - LHR/FRA/JFK/ORD/EWR.....also Gulf routes like DXB/MCT/AUH/KWI/RUH/JED.....flights to SIN would also be doing well.....

yes they would do if their Jumbos would fly. We see a lot of delays here at FRA due to maintenance reasons or defection of aircraft. For example the yesterday DEL flight stuck, because the aircraft had a problem at LAX.


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3098 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 15):
yes they would do if their Jumbos would fly. We see a lot of delays here at FRA due to maintenance reasons or defection of aircraft. For example the yesterday DEL flight stuck, because the aircraft had a problem at LAX.

Incidentally, their aircraft do "fly" and that's why they reach FRA for you to see.....   we're talking about profitable routes here, not about planes getting stuck once in a while, which happens to all airlines, some more, some less....

Incidentally, no one seems to have mentioned IC, who also have profitable routes to MCT/SHJ and a few other Gulf destinations, as well as BKK/SIN from Indian airports like DEL/AMD/MAA and BLR......

[Edited 2007-02-19 15:56:36]

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3098 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 15):
We see a lot of delays here at FRA due to maintenance reasons or defection of aircraft

What is "defection of aircraft" ...? Have 744's started claiming refugee status? Big grin


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2964 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 17):
What is "defection of aircraft" ...? Have 744's started claiming refugee status?

oooh it was a very loooooooong day for me, excuse me  Big grin I meant defect or malfunction  Wink


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2887 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

LH--BOM BLR DEL HYD CCU
AF-BOM
LX--BOM Does very well onf lights to BOS/JFK/Canada
EK-All previous sectors no idea about the new ones
UL--Does well on most of its Indian routes
BA-BOM/DEL/BLR/CCU
VS-DEL
CO-DEL
AA-DEL---i think the other thread is only rumours
GF-BOM BLR COK DEL
CX-BOM DXB BKK does very well and is one of their oldest routes, also DEL-HKG route
NW/KL-BOM/DEL/ HYD???
AI-LHR/JFK/EWR/Middle East/SIN/HKG
IC--Middle East/ SIN BKK
SQ/TG--All India routes
DL-JFK
9W-SIN---LHR is loosing and is still to breakeven---BKK started too recently to call, CMB KUL see regular 60-70% load factors out of MAA

Not Sure

AZ---Apparently cargo is very good
OS--Most tour operators have tie ups with the tourist and travel agenxies same goes with QR
QF--do well in peak but are loosing due to the fact it is not a true non-stop
MH--dont have a clue wats up with them
ET
LY
EY
MU


Have i missed out any.... i am sure i have so please complete the list

Karan


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6463 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 11):
Can't speak for LX but DL has been profitable since the first flight...

And how do you this?


User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Don't forget about LH at MAA. Those flights also do really well for LH.

User currently offlineFiriko From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

I have read here that Turkish Airlines IST-DEL is doing good however IST-BOM is still strugling but its a new route and it should be picking up soon.

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