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Do The Russian's Still Make New Airliners?  
User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

Do the Russian's still make new airliners? Particularly Antonov, Ilyushin or Tupolev?

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6958 times:
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Cubana took delivery of an IL-96-300 in March of last year (per Planespotters.net) so at least Ilyushin is in business. And it looks like Tupolev is still making at least the Tu-204-120.

User currently onlineFYODOR From Russia, joined May 2005, 661 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6945 times:
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Yeh, we do. Even a few potentially interesting projects:

Sukhoi Super Jet SSJ - Sukhoi's civilian plane. First flight is for September 2007.
Beriev Be-200 - many pics at A.net:
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Beriev Be-103 - rather small but anyway
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Some are rather know and can be easely searched at DB:
Tupolev Tu-204 - some variations like -300, -100, 120, C, Tu-214
Ilyushin Il-96
Both have very limited number of manufactured planes

There are number of other projects with unclear chances for development:
Ilyushin Il-114 and Il-112 (under design)
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Sukhoi Su-80 (light transport)
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Tupolev Tu-334 (nearly dead - very few chances)
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That's what I remember from the first. There are other developments indeed (like Tu-234 etc.).

In general some things probably will be more clear after United Aviation Manufacturing Corporation will start to work.

Regards,

F.

P.S. BTW Antonov is not Russian more - it is Ukrainian. And they have An-140 and An-148.

[Edited 2007-02-19 18:26:02]

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6940 times:

Sidenote:

Antonov a/c are made in Ukraine, is there any demand for An-124/225?

Micke//  Confused



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6943 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 3):

Antonov a/c are made in Ukraine, is there any demand for An-124/225?

Yes, there are open unfilled orders for the An-124 and the production line should recommence in 2008 after current airframe upgrades have been exhausted.


User currently onlineFYODOR From Russia, joined May 2005, 661 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6927 times:
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Airfoilsguy, this album might will help you as well:
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?album=9540

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 3):
Antonov a/c are made in Ukraine, is there any demand for An-124/225?

Not really so. An-124 (since it was Soviet - not Russian or Ukrainian that time) can also be manufactured at Ulyanovsk at Russia.

Regards,

F.


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6861 times:
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Ilyushin is working basically in the Il-96-400. Cubana, Syrianair, Air Zimbabwe, Aeroflot and other airlines has expressed its interest to ask for new long-haul aircrafts.

Too, Ilyushin is working in a short / middle range airliners family program and currently has joined forces with Yakovlev and the JSC Irkut plant. The MS-21 family airplanes performs passengers, luggage and cargo transportation on the national and international routes. Will be three series:

1. MS-21-100 (for 132 passengers)
2. MS-21-200 (for 156 passengers)
3. MS-21-300 (for 174 passengers)

Tupolev is working in a new supersonic aircraft version: the Tupolev Tu-444 and in a regional jet to operate from "B" class airports...
(http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.asp?SectionID=199) for the Tu-444
(http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.asp?SectionID=124) for the Tu-414.

Antonov is working, too, in a short / medium airliner (called An-180) to accommodate up to 175 passengers. Meanwhile, the second unit of a Mryia is ready to make it's inaugural flight.

And Sukhoi, as you know is working in two projects:

1. S-80 (twin engine STOL) where Dalavia, Polar Airlines and other Russian airlines has expressed its interest.
2. Sukhoi RRJ where Aeroflot has expressed its interest.

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6831 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 6):
Ilyushin is working basically in the Il-96-400. Cubana, Syrianair, Air Zimbabwe, Aeroflot and other airlines has expressed its interest to ask for new long-haul aircrafts.

Sadly I think Air Zimbabwe cancelled all their orders for new planes due to the hyperinflation in the country. Syrian Air though has 2 IL 96-300 and 1 IL 96-400 on firm order, plus Aeroflot are still waiting for more of their 96's to be delivered.


Dan Smile



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

Quoting FYODOR (Reply 5):
Airfoilsguy, this album might will help you as well:

Thanks, very interesting

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 6):
(http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.asp?SectionID=199) for the Tu-444

This is a great website! I am adding it to my favorites. Also has some great desktop photos.


User currently onlineFYODOR From Russia, joined May 2005, 661 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6766 times:
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Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 6):
Aeroflot and other airlines has expressed its interest to ask for new long-haul aircrafts

Sorry to say, but if AFLT expressed anything it is complete unwillingness to do it. It was agreement with Russian Government - for cancellation of custom fees for international airplains AFLT was supposed to buy 6 Il-96 in addition to its fleet. For the few years AFLT does all what it ever can not to do it.

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 6):
The MS-21 family airplanes

Long, long, long, long story I'm afraid.

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 6):
Tupolev is working in a new supersonic aircraft version

Tupolev working over its website   I wish them success but lets be more realistic - they still can't put in order even Tu-204. Might be something (as I told before) will changed after OAK will work in full power. But local experts are rather sceptical.

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 6):
Sukhoi RRJ where Aeroflot has expressed its interest

Not only them. Air Union and FLK made pre-oreders, some others declared the plans.

Regards,

F.

[Edited 2007-02-19 19:54:57]

User currently onlineFYODOR From Russia, joined May 2005, 661 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6659 times:
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Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8):
Thanks, very interesting

Let me recommend you one more album: http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?album=9740

It is not systemized as previous one - just about Russian aviation but it is nice I guess.  Wink

F.


User currently offlineUzzzer From Ukraine, joined Dec 2006, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6508 times:

Many planes and many plans were developed, but few made it to the series. Off the top of my head:
- Il-96 (longhaul jet) delivered for Russian gov't
- Tu-204 (longhaul jet) delivered to DalAvia (Russia), BelAvia (Belarus) interested
- An-140 (regional turboprop) were delivered to various Ukrainian airliners, Azal (Azerbaijan), Yakutia (Russia)

But the most interesting battle will be in regional jet segment. Two Russian producers and a Ukrainian one come up with similar product of a 70-110 passenger jet:
- Antonov-148 (finishes certification in a few days) first deliveries to be made in 2007
- Sukhoi SuperJet 100 (first flying model to be built by the end of 2007), deliveries starting 2008/9
- Tupolev-334 - status undefined, as the plane is ready for serial producion, but apparently the Russian gov't doesn't back it anymore. Ironically, the flying models were manufactured by Antonov in Kyiv.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

Quoting Uzzzer (Reply 11):
- An-140 (regional turboprop) were delivered to various Ukrainian airliners, Azal (Azerbaijan), Yakutia (Russia)


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Quoting Uzzzer (Reply 11):
- Antonov-148 (finishes certification in a few days) first deliveries to be made in 2007


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For those who haven't seen photos of the two aircraft yet.

Flightglobal has this report regarding the OAK reference in reply 9.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...liners-through-2015-with-half.html

[Edited 2007-02-19 23:52:08]


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User currently offlineConcentriq From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6269 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 6):
Meanwhile, the second unit of a Mryia is ready to make it's inaugural flight.

did I miss something? when did this happen? any more info?



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User currently offlineElectech6299 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6232 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 3):
is there any demand for An-....225?

Hmmm, you have a space shuttle you want to move? No? Do you know anyone else that does? Be sure to let Antonov know if you hear anything....  Wink

Way too much existing competition in the large freighter class for Antonov to be competitive. Too bad, they could have recouped some of the development costs.



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User currently offlineUzzzer From Ukraine, joined Dec 2006, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6113 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 6):
Antonov is working, too, in a short / medium airliner (called An-180) to accommodate up to 175 passengers. Meanwhile, the second unit of a Mryia is ready to make it's inaugural flight.

All Antonov-180 development works were "frozen" in December 2006 due to bad economics of the airliner. It would work only with cheap gas. It had a very different design. Note the props on the rear.

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MD-95 from what I know had a similar design, but was also dropped on development stage.

Antonov also "froze" An-218 widebody development, unofficially saying that the frame was outdated.

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2nd Mriya An-225 is not being build at least now, however the Ukrainian Minister of Transportation made the public believe that it makes sense investing into the second frame. The first and only Mriya doesn't have enough work now due to high operation cost.


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6101 times:

Quoting Electech6299 (Reply 14):
Hmmm, you have a space shuttle you want to move? No? Do you know anyone else that does? Be sure to let Antonov know if you hear anything.... Wink

Way too much existing competition in the large freighter class for Antonov to be competitive. Too bad, they could have recouped some of the development costs.

The An-225 is highly sought after actually, it is in great demand according to Antonov.

Also the An-124 fleet is also heavily worked, being pretty much the only cargo aircraft in its class.

These aircraft are not sitting around gathering dust.


User currently offlineUzzzer From Ukraine, joined Dec 2006, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6091 times:

Quoting Electech6299 (Reply 14):
Way too much existing competition in the large freighter class for Antonov to be competitive. Too bad, they could have recouped some of the development costs.

 no  Who's competitive then?

Both An-124 "Ruslan" and An-225 "Mriya" are the biggest cargo carriers in the world. They are capable of carrying whatever 747F cannot, and A380F will not be able to fully compete neither.

At the time An-225 was built it was announced by Antonov, that An-225 will probably remain the biggest cargo carrier in the world, because no gear is available to handle greater mass.

I would agree with you if you would say that Antonov remains a niche provider due to economics, but very often when one has to deliver a power station turbine or a subway train across the world, the demand is non-elastic.


User currently onlineFYODOR From Russia, joined May 2005, 661 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6000 times:
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Just need to agree with Uzzzer - marketing potential of An-225 for me is looking even more obvious than An-140, -148. These are projects to be developed and the demand for An-225 services is more or less clear and based on existed experience.

User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5958 times:

Quoting Uzzzer (Reply 17):
but very often when one has to deliver a power station turbine or a subway train across the world, the demand is non-elastic.

[
exactly...the AN 225 and AN 124 have no comparable Western commercial counterpart...when over sized/ultra heavy lift is needed, these 2 aircraft are the only game in town. On that note, I wonder why Lockheed never came out with a commercial version of the C-5 Galaxy, being that this is the only western aircraft that could handle comparable heavy lift ops as the Antonov aircraft.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5922 times:

Uzzzer From Ukraine, joined Dec 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted Tue Feb 20 2007 11:24:19 your local time (2 hours 52 minutes 19 secs ago) and read 182 times:


Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 6):
Antonov is working, too, in a short / medium airliner (called An-180) to accommodate up to 175 passengers. Meanwhile, the second unit of a Mryia is ready to make it's inaugural flight.


All Antonov-180 development works were "frozen" in December 2006 due to bad economics of the airliner. It would work only with cheap gas. It had a very different design. Note the props on the rear.'MD-95 from what I know had a similar design, but was also dropped on development stage
[End Quote]
Reminds me of the suggested YAK-46, pushprop, I personally think these planes would make really good
cargo-hauler due to low fuelconsumption, but not good passengerplanes due to cabin noise?


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

The Tu-444 isn't ever going to happen but it looks great - a mini concorde!

http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.asp?SectionID=199


User currently offlineAmberair732 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5824 times:

Quoting Uzzzer (Reply 15):
2nd Mriya An-225 is not being build at least now,

The second frame is already partially built:-

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0699985/m/

[Edited 2007-02-20 15:37:13]

User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5820 times:

Quoting Amberair732 (Reply 22):
The second frame is already partially built:-

Its been in that condition for about a decade.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

Quoting Uzzzer (Reply 17):
Both An-124 "Ruslan" and An-225 "Mriya" are the biggest cargo carriers in the world. They are capable of carrying whatever 747F cannot, and A380F will not be able to fully compete neither.

At the time An-225 was built it was announced by Antonov, that An-225 will probably remain the biggest cargo carrier in the world, because no gear is available to handle greater mass.

Beriev are working on a jet which could handle about three times what the 225 can carry. The design is a little crazy, and they plan on it being amphibious, so they don't need to worry about runway lengths or loaded axle weight. Could be very interesting aircraft if it's ever built, which you have to admit is unlikely... but you never know with Russia!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriev_Be-2500

http://www.sergib.agava.ru/russia/beriev/be/2500/img/be2500_1.jpg


Dan Smile



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25 Electech6299 : Uh, because there isn't enough of a market? But how does that compare with this statement? If you want to focus your eyes on the cargo that can't fit
26 Post contains links Concentriq : I was reading someplace that Ruslan's are overworked actually: most of the frames have 2x designed cycles and hours on them. http://en.wikipedia.org/w
27 Uzzzer : What's good in all of this, including An-180 and An-218 dropping, is that Antonov is live and kicking. The optimists still have hopes for the "big gam
28 PavlovsDog : What ever happened to the two engined IL-98? Do the Russians make competitive powerplants that could work on that design?
29 Post contains images FYODOR : PavlovsDog, nothing happened. Its not exist. Powerplants still stays the problem. PS-90A is now much better and safer than before but lets be honest -
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