Sacamojus From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 228 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14458 times:
My question is why does a 777 captain get paid more than a 737 captain? Doesn't the 737 captain have to perform more take offs and landings? I can understand getting paid more for senority, but is the really a big difference between flying a baby boeing and big boeing? Please feel free to include Airbus products into the mix.
JetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1447 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14428 times:
Because theres less to do .. no thats the way it always has been work your way up from a smaller to a larger plane, but its experiance and primarley senority kicks in.... I believe if say a 747 captn goes back to say a 737 he is paid the max
that is allowed per hr in that aircraft.
AvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14332 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5): Mechanics don't get paid more if they are working on a 737 or a 777......!!!!! It's the same responsibility....if not more so.....!! They are resposable for the passengers and the crew.
The IAM was not as convincing as ALPA. In the 70's, the IAM lost a Notice to Propose Rule Making (NPRM) to create an aircraft type certificates for mechanics. The economic results would have killed the industry.
I have to take issue with that-the market would have adjusted. But it might have had unpleasant effects and led to non-union airlines (i.e.LCC's) emerging sooner and more powerfully driving out more legacy carriers sooner.
Quoting N328KF (Reply 10): Don't forget the prestige factor, or: "My schwanz is bigger than yours..."
You got it.
The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
As well as productivity, as in moving more pax (equals more revenue) an equal number of miles in the same amount of time as pilots of smaller aircraft. Surprised this was nowhere mentioned in any of the 16 previous replies.
More so than any other profession I can think of (other than maybe the captain of an ocean liner), a pilots responsibility escalates given a normal path of time, successful execution of piloting and administrative duties, and professional conduct. The salary of a 777 captain has been earned through years (and years) of advancements. These advancements have been awarded as the pilot a) generates hours of experience gradually on larger and more sophisticated aircraft that carry more passengers and 2) conducts him/herself in a professional manner in line with company policy. This experience equates to his/her company trusting in their ability to handled larger aircraft and greater liability (passengers, more expensive equipment). Captains of large aircraft can command high salaries as the liability has increased significantly. Airlines are willing to pay for this experience and trust that their customer and equipment will get from point A to B without incident.
Coleplane From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13753 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5): Mechanics don't get paid more if they are working on a 737 or a 777
You may not like my answer, but would have to answer this in the form of a question. Why didn't the mechanic pursue a career as a pilot? Does an airline mechanic - and I seriously don't know because I've never been one - get raises or bonuses if they, the company, or the division perform? Is there an opportunity for advancement and/or more pay in this field? If not, I'd consider another field. On the other hand, maybe they simply enjoy their profession.
Before lashing out at me, I sell further processed foods for a living and earn a modest income.
Quoting CitationJet (Reply 16): If it based on passengers a pilot is responsible for, then why do the cargo airlines have the higher salaries?
My guess is insurance. I know of no less than three prominant airlines who didn't make it after catastrophic accidents.
Jimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 669 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13611 times:
Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 17): As well as productivity, as in moving more pax (equals more revenue) an equal number of miles in the same amount of time as pilots of smaller aircraft. Surprised this was nowhere mentioned in any of the 16 previous replies.
Good point. This is how the acting unions respond to questions like "Why does really famous actor X get paid $12 million for acting in a movie that only required 20 days of his time?" Well, famous actor X's name will help the movie make $30 million in sales...and he deserves a solid percentage of that. (Or, alternatively, the actor always deserves a certain percentage of the movie's profits, and that escalates with how popular the movie is.)
In either event, I see the point that if the spread is based on seniority and seniority also dictates the size of aircraft one can fly, then it will appear that there is a correlation between the size of aircraft flown and the pay.
I wonder if this difference is observable in an area with a lot of new pilots and new airlines--like the middle east, or India. I suspect not so much.
Hell, even Continental has pared their pay rates down to wide body versus single aisle. Since that implies that a 777 pilot makes the same as a 762 pilot with the same seniority, the whole responsible for more passengers thing gets thrown out the window.
Baron95 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1335 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13442 times:
Guys. Come on. It is all about union rules. Pay has NOTHING to do with responsibility.
The pay scales of 777/747 captains was cut by about 1/3 at most major US airlines since 9/11. Does that mean that their responsibility is now 1/3 less? Does that mean that they are now 1/3 less capable? Of course not.
Airline captain salaries (in the US and many other places) are an artificially maintained, non-competitive, union-imposed quantity. It has NO bearing on economic productivity, liability, skill or responsibility.
Captains of 777 make more money then captains of 737s because that is what the unions negotiated/imposed. Simple as that.
Is there a value for a certain number of years of experience? Yes. Do you need more experience to fly international routes than domestice ones? Yes. Is it taken into account in Airlines pay scale? NO. Example: Airforce officer with 15 years/15,000 hrs of experience flying C-5s or KC-10s all over the world, leaves the service, joins Delta airlines. How does he start? By UNION RULES on the right seat of the smalest aircraft in the fleet. John Q. Public, recent ERAU graduate, 1,000 hrs of flight instructor, 2,000 hours flying checks at night (total 3 years) joins Delta. How does he start? Same thing. Right seat of smallest fleet type. How do they advance? Simply by number of years in the company (assuming they are both decent pilots and don't screw up any check rides, etc).
It is all about UNION rules/distortions to the market place.