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User currently offlineACFA From Canada, joined Feb 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 23676 times:

Found this neat little picture showing a downstairs galley and lav as well as crew rest unit.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0540142/L/

Is Lufthansa the only carrier that has the aircraft configured this way? How much space does this take up? I would think that it would take up a lot of valuable space for cargo. Pretty neat way of expanding the main cabin nonetheless.

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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 23564 times:

Yes, it is very interesting, I am not sure LH is the only carrier that configures their A346 that way. I wish I could fly once on LH A346. A shame there are no PTVs in Y, though


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User currently offlineFlyinTLow From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 23525 times:

Don't know the exact figures, but taking the lavs from the upstairs to the downstairs allows for more seats that can be sold. Also, the A346 is one long plane. There is a large cargo capacity downstairs in the first place. So I don't think it is that much of a factor.

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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 23527 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
A shame there are no PTVs in Y, though

This will not be forever  Wink and besides PTV´s should not be the option of whether to choose a flight or not but if you definitely want to fly on an A346 with PTV fly Virgin instead



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1677 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 23465 times:

AFAIK LH is the only one who has both the galley and lavs on the LD.
Y-seats do have space to install PTV's which will probably be done after the EIS of the A380 at LH.



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 23271 times:

How come that LH didn't introduce PTV's in Y class, at least on all the new planes they received over the past few years. A330 / A346?

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 23173 times:

I just got off an A346 this morning - VS900 LHR-NRT. That was my fifth A346 flight (3 x LH and 2 x VS) and I continue to be impressed.

Yes, the downstairs Lav in LH in Y is amusing. Not sure if VS have it in Y. LH have windows in Lavs in C but VS don't.

The VS C product is certainly better than LH.


User currently offlineMusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 23172 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 5):
How come that LH didn't introduce PTV's in Y class, at least on all the new planes they received over the past few years. A330 / A346?

As far as I remember, their boss said in public once that the weight of the PTV system makes the airline less profitable. Well this is what he said, but they could still keep the plane full. If the load on a plane is not going to change with or without the PTV, then somehow there is no point for them to get the PTV on Y. But I am sure they will get it installed soon. Hope they choose a good system, and a system that matches their Recaro seats!



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User currently offlineJfidler From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 23098 times:

I flew on LH FRA-CAN-MNL and back a few weeks ago, on an A346. I was disappointed with the lack of PTVs in Y, and would have chosen another carrier who did offer PTVs in Y if the price were somewhat similar and it was a Star Alliance carrier (I am a Star Alliance Gold member and lounge access is very valuable when faced with long layovers). For such long trips, I really do feel the PTVs add to the trip. For getting from TLL to MNL, LH was the only viable option with Star Alliance. I believe SQ and TG both fly to MNL, but it was impossible to get a full itinerary starting from TLL on that route. In the past, I have specifically avoided LH on trips where I had other viable options (trans-Atlantic flights mostly) because there was no PTV in Y. In this day, I think PTVs in Y should be standard equipment for long-haul aircraft.

Back to the topic. Other than the lack of PTVs, I found the LH A346 very comfortable. I had read that the seat pitch in Y was poor, but I found it quite reasonable (I am of average height). The plane was quite new and clean, and the Recaro seats are comfortable and look good too. I had a seat at the very last row of the plane (58K I think it was), and I think many pax did not realize there were lavs downstairs, so there was a long queue to use the lavs at the rear of the plane.

Oh, and when the curtains between sections are not drawn, it's a pretty cool sight to look down the aisle from the very last row and not be able to see the front of the plane as it's so far away  Big grin

Justin


User currently offlineMusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 22954 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 6):
The VS C product is certainly better than LH.

Hello!

I have not flown on both C class but I heard that LH's new C class is superb. Just want to know, having flown on both VS and LH, why would you think the VS C class is better? I would be glad if you could tell me more.

Regards
William



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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 22848 times:

Quoting ACFA (Thread starter):
Is Lufthansa the only carrier that has the aircraft configured this way?

If i remeber correctly MYT actually has some of their A330s set up similarly.


User currently offlineCY319 From Cyprus, joined Apr 2006, 396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 22592 times:

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 10):
If i remeber correctly MYT

You do remember correctly. i flew on those 330s of Airtours back in 2000 and they did have 4lavatories below the pax cabin.



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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1808 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 22363 times:

Quoting ACFA (Thread starter):
Found this neat little picture showing a downstairs galley and lav as well as crew rest unit.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0540142/L/

Is Lufthansa the only carrier that has the aircraft configured this way? How much space does this take up? I would think that it would take up a lot of valuable space for cargo. Pretty neat way of expanding the main cabin nonetheless.

So, with the toilets downstairs, it makes LH's A346, a passenger double decker!! (if the PAX is in the toilets)  Wink
Looks very chic, but what if there is a disabled passenger in Y; how can he or she go to the toilet if they cant ride the stairs?

As far as I know, VS lavatories are on the main deck, as well as QR's A346's.



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 22306 times:

Obviously I'm not an expert, but isn't the reason for the lavatories being placed on the passenger deck so that the holding tank for the waste can be placed in the lower compartments? If the lavs are located on the lower deck, where is the placement of the holding tanks?


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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 22306 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 12):
but what if there is a disabled passenger in Y; how can he or she go to the toilet if they cant ride the stairs?

An F/A will carry him/her down  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 22242 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
Yes, it is very interesting, I am not sure LH is the only carrier that configures their A346 that way. I wish I could fly once on LH A346. A shame there are no PTVs in Y, though

I flew on the LH 346 couple of years back and thought it was really cool to go down the stairs to use the lavs below deck....once you're down there you can't really tell that you're in the lower part of the plane, except for the lack if windows....also, it ensures that no pax is seated close to the lav doors in an already congested Y class....

Didn't really miss the PTV's....enjoyed a long and peaceful sleep during the flight as a result Big grin


User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 20888 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 12):
what if there is a disabled passenger in Y; how can he or she go to the toilet if they cant ride the stairs?

I was just looking at a seat map on seatguru.com and it looks like at the back of the plane around row 58 there is one bathroom. The staircase to go to the lower deck is around row 40 with 5 toilets below.
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Luf...sa/Lufthansa_Airbus_A340-600_A.php



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User currently offlineAwthompson From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 20764 times:

I flew Lufthansa A340-600 in 2005 Frankfurt - Guangzhou - Manila (D-AIHD) but coming back the -600 (D-AIHK) went tech before leaving FRA and they sent a -300 instead (D-AIGD). That was not so nice since the Guangzhou - Frankfurt leg was 14 hours in the air exactly. Since I could not leave the plane at Guangzhou, that meant you were on board for around 18 hours in total:



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 20411 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
Yes, it is very interesting, I am not sure LH is the only carrier that configures their A346 that way. I wish I could fly once on LH A346. A shame there are no PTVs in Y, though



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 5):
How come that LH didn't introduce PTV's in Y class, at least on all the new planes they received over the past few years. A330 / A346?

WOW.
This has turned into a WHY LUFTHANSA NO PTV thread !!!!



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User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 20343 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 18):
This has turned into a WHY LUFTHANSA NO PTV thread !!!!

Don't they always  Wink



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User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1938 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 20232 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 14):
An F/A will carry him/her down

Only if it is Ralph Fiennes!  wink 



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User currently offlineWorkhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17728 times:

One month ago, I have flown an LH A340-600 (was lucky enough to get the Star Alliance one for my first 346 flight!) and I must say those lower deck lavs are a great idea.

First, this avoids people queuing in the aisle and makes life much easier to FA's and everybody. Second, this solves the problem of pax complaining about "being seated near the toilets". This definitely takes out some cargo space, but also helps to put in more seats, so I guess LH have done their maths and found that those extra seats bring them more money then cargo.

Generally speaking, I have found LH to be an excellent airline (smooth on-time operations, immaculate clean planes, friendly and caring FA's...) except for one thing: their seat pitch sucks!

I was seated in economy near the window and there was some sort of IFE box under every window seat (what the hell an IFE box is doing there??? they don't even have PTV, so what is it for?) so at the end of 11h-long flight my legs did really hurt...

If they added 1 more inch to every row (or took out those damn boxes), they'd be perfect...

[Edited 2007-02-20 22:34:14]

User currently offline22886 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17636 times:

I flew MUC-PVG on Lufthansa's A340-600 (D-AIHK) last week. The downstairs toilets are pretty cool. The toilets themselves are nice too with sensored taps and nice lighting, quite spacious aswell.
Another down side to flying Y in LHs A346s is they never displayed the image from tail camera thoughout the entire flight. I have flown on China Eastern's A340-600 where they did show this and its well impressive.


User currently offlineEasyfriday2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16164 times:

I was told the main reason lh put the lavs downstairs was because the space would have been wasted anyway. When they stretched the plane they did make more room for cargo in the hold but they plane cannot lift all that cargo and a full pax so they figured that they might as well put the lavs down in the space that would not be used for cargo. That is what one of there pilots told me anywho. When i flew from fra -den it was totally full and i honestly didnt know if we would get off the ground. It took forever. Seemed very underpowered to me

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15995 times:

Here is a another question. Which aircraft is this downstairs lav. feature offered on? I only know of the A340-600 and the 777-300ER. Any other plane?

25 PM : Several things, really. VS have a flat horizontal bed which is excellent. LH have a flat but angled seat. One is a bed; the other is still a seat, an
26 Shane : I ride this thing regularly SFO-MUC & back and let me tell ya it's damn cramped in the back if you're over 6'1".
27 Brons2 : bummer. I'm 6'7", guess I'll go with BA again when I head over to the Continent this summer. BA has been very accommodating in the past with the exit
28 EBGflyer : oops.. I'm doomed. Doing FRA-CAN-MNL next Thursday. I'm so going to pray for an upgrade!
29 Post contains links and images Awthompson : Hey, be positive, you will enjoy it. Sit on the left hand side and if you get the regular route, watch out for Mount Everest as you pass near Kathman
30 Rabenschlag : According to seat guru, LH is worst but many competitors are quite close when it comes to pitch. However, there is definately a better way to fly whe
31 Mk777 : Will IAD ever see the LH A346 instead of the usual A333-A343/B744??
32 Columba : One question that is a little bit off topic but I don´want to open a new thread for this: Any idea when we can expect a decision for the A340-300 rep
33 ChrisMUC : There are two Y-Toilets on the main deck at the very rear, one quite spacious (accessible with the onboard wheelchair).
34 Post contains images Workhorse : Oh, that's interesting. I had forgotten about seatguru. During last years, I have flown longhaul with AF, DL, AC, UA and recently LH (I have also flo
35 Viscount724 : You can't rely on that seat width information in sites such as Seat Guru. There are various ways of measuring seat width (e.g. width of the seat cush
36 Post contains images EBGflyer : Thanks for the advice! I'll take any seat 1A-9A I notice those pics where taken from the right side. BTW, aren't we supposed to turn off all electric
37 Scouseflyer : If this the 787/A350 decision - I expect it'll be after the A350 workshare mess is sorted.....
38 CXfirst : Who has downstair lavatories on the 777-300ER. I have never seen or even heard about this on their planes. -CXfirst
39 Post contains images Awthompson : Hope you also got my instant message which explains how I got into business class for the last leg from Guangzhou to Manila and sat on the other side
40 LH459 : A de-rated takeoff, then. The 346 is definitely NOT underpowered! Now, the 343 on the other hand...
41 Awthompson : I think you are right about a de-rated take off. With those large engines, there is plenty of power. You could say it about the -300 indeed.
42 EI321 : But then what aircraft or airline is not on long haul in the back!
43 Post contains images Awthompson : Just while we are on the subject, here are a few more pictures from my personal album which were not of sufficient quality to post on the site. LH 788
44 AirCanada014 : Don't forget AC A340-500 have downstair crew resting area too. Very similar as to LH A340-600
45 Avianca : well acutally the cargo capacity on the LH A340-300 are much bigger compared to the A340-600 due the gally and lav down there...
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