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User currently offlineDolphinflyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 200 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10115 times:

Air France Opens New U.S. Gateway in Seattle
Tuesday February 20, 4:00 am ET


Expanding Its U.S. Market Presence


NEW YORK, NY--(MARKET WIRE)--Feb 20, 2007 -- Air France announces the opening of its 13th U.S. gateway, Seattle, with a new, daily non-stop flight to Paris beginning June 11, 2007.
Throughout the past decade, Air France has continually expanded its presence in the United States. It has done this through the addition of new flights and gateways across the country. With the addition of the Seattle flight, Air France now covers the U.S. Northwestern market, giving its passengers greater access to Paris and beyond.

"We are pleased to add Seattle as our newest gateway," said Air France Vice President and General Manager Marie-Joseph Malé. "Seattle is home to many leaders in the aerospace, biotechnology, computer technology and manufacturing industries, among others. We are confident that both the business community and the diverse international population in the Seattle area will benefit from our extensive global network and enjoy the exceptional travel experience Air France offers its passengers."

Flight Schedule

Flight AF041 offers a convenient departure from Seattle at 16:55 p.m., arriving at Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport at 11:40 a.m. the following day. The return flight, AF046, departs at 13:20 p.m. and arrives in Seattle at 14:35 p.m. the same day.

The Seattle flight offers easy connections beyond Paris with Air France's expansive global network throughout Europe, Asia, the Middle East and Africa.

New Travel Concept

The Seattle flight will be serviced with an A330-200 featuring Air France's New Travel Concept in a two-class configuration: 40 seats in l'Espace Affaires Business Class and 179 in Tempo Economy Class. Air France's New Travel Concept adds more space, new seats and chic interiors to provide passengers with a relaxing and comfortable travel experience.

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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10101 times:

This one has been on the rumour mill for a few years now so great to see it going ahead.Will it be daily?

User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10104 times:
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Quoting Donder10 (Reply 1):
Will it be daily?



Quoting Dolphinflyer (Thread starter):
Air France announces the opening of its 13th U.S. gateway, Seattle, with a new, daily non-stop flight to Paris

Great news for SEA!


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10042 times:

Many of us new that AF would be starting new a US gateway, but until recently it remained unclear whether either DFW or SEA would be picked for this new service. The actual number of US gateways for Air France will not increase, as the airline will not be returning to CVG next summer, leaving the CDG CVG route to just Delta.

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10042 times:

This is great news for SEA. They can get O&D and pax can transfer onto NW flights easily.

Now how about MSP...



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10027 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
Now how about MSP...

I'm pretty sure that any potential CDG MSP service would be operated by NW, while AF is aiming at restarting service to DFW as its next US gateway.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9580 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10012 times:

This is exciting. SEA is finally getting another carrier to Europe. All the international carriers in the last decade have been to asia. Now BA, SK and NW have more competition. I'm really excited. All SEA needs now is LH.

It was not clear if this will be year round daily service to me. Did I miss it? It wouldn't surprise me if winter service dropped to 3 or 4 a week since SEA is somewhat seasonal. BA has loads in the 60s in the winter but 90s in the summer from what I have heard for comparison's sake.



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9950 times:

Great news for Seattle, this makes two European carriers now. SEA has being making progress as far as getting foreing carriers. Hopefully AF or BA look at San Diego next. SAN deserves better. On the West Coast, LAX and SFO usually steal all the thunder.

User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9868 times:

Great news for SEA and AF. Always nice to see AF (and other European powerhouses) making expansions in the states.


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User currently offlineTwoLz2rn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9810 times:

What happened to SLC?

Quote:
The actual number of US gateways for Air France will not increase, as the airline will not be returning to CVG next summer, leaving the CDG CVG route to just Delta

Will AF eventually return? CVG used to have the 777 and an AF A340 during the summer (and from what i heard were full most the time), now there is only a 763 (could DL43/44 become a 764 ever?)!



Why couldn't AF send at least an A330 during the peak summer months!


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9790 times:

Good news for the USA! I read that AF was considering YVR as its gateway in the Pacific Northwest. More stringent visa requirements probably meant that YVR was no longer a convenient transit point for passengers travelling between the northwest United States and CDG. The alliance with NW, market demand for stronger air-links between the Pacific Northwest and Europe, and the fact that SEA is a thriving regional business center all support Air France's choice. Either DEN or DFW will be AF's next destination in the United States.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9619 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 7):
Great news for Seattle, this makes two European carriers now.

Actually AF makes three European carriers serving SEA with their own metal: BA, SK and now AF.


User currently offlineElGreco From France, joined Nov 2005, 164 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9560 times:

GREAT!!!!! GREAT!!!!!!! GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!

It will be so nice to visit Boeing with direct Flight from Paris.

I am in a meeting with Boeing guys,and for sure everybody is very happy about that Air France Decision.

A lot of French Companies are working for Boeing and this new flight will make our life much more easy.

Last request to Air France:

PLEASE CHANGE YOUR IFE TO THALES OR PANASONIC.

El Greco

 bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup   champagne   champagne 



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User currently offlineATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9511 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 7):
Hopefully AF or BA look at San Diego next.

Didn't BA serve SAN through PHX years ago with a B744? They must have stopped the flight for some reason?


User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9489 times:

I wish the CDG-BLR flight was aligned to this flight. SEA-CDG flight arrives at CDG at 11:40am, but CDG-BLR flight leaves at 11:25 AM  Sad The return journey is not bad, as BLR-CDG flight arrives at 8:50AM at CDG and CDG-SEA leaves at 13:20. Still can't beat BA with one stop service to SEA-BLR in both directions

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8281 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9434 times:

Quoting ElGreco (Reply 12):
I am in a meeting with Boeing guys,and for sure everybody is very happy about that Air France Decision

Ironic that Boeing employees flying with one of Boeing's biggest customers would be flying to/from SEA on an A332 Big grin


User currently offlineTYCOON From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9434 times:

Could SEA turn into a mini Skyteam hub with AF, NW, CO and DL? AF, DL and NW currently have marketing agreements with Alaska Airlines either through their frequent flyer programmes (Alaska is a partner carrier in AF's Flying Blue programme) or through code-shares. Could this mean Alaska may soon head towards Skyteam membership? Interesting...

User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9367 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
This is great news for SEA. They can get O&D and pax can transfer onto NW flights easily.

I think they're aiming for regional O&D, not connecting opportunities on NW. NW doesn't exactly cover a lot of ground out of SEA. HNL, MSP, MEM, DTW are all better served by other flights leaving CDG. Alaska and Horizon are really the reason they're coming to SEA. Both airlines offer miles to the other's frequent fliers, and the excellent west coast networks mean that all regional O&D will naturally want to gravitate towards SEA instead of LAX. Should be interesting to see what happens.



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User currently offlineNwray From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9330 times:
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Sounds great. Concourse A, I presume? When an airline sets up in a new city with one flight a day, do they bring in their own people or do they contract with someone already doing business at the airport?

User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9319 times:

Good news for SEA. Bummer they didn't pick PDX  Sad But, this is great news for the northwest! It will now be MUCH cheaper to get to CDG out of PDX

It'll be fun to see how the flight performs!


User currently offlineSeattleFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9321 times:

This is great! We've been waiting a long time for this.

Now, come on LH!


User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9263 times:

Quoting Nwray (Reply 18):
Concourse A, I presume?

South Satelite. All international flights have to arrive here and it's not practical to move the aircraft to another position after it has been emptied. Not to mention the cost involved.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9214 times:

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 21):
Quoting Nwray (Reply 18):
Concourse A, I presume?

South Satelite. All international flights have to arrive here and it's not practical to move the aircraft to another position after it has been emptied. Not to mention the cost involved.

Most likely correct, but their have been instances where the arrival is at S, then the plane moves over to another gate for the departure. AA, UA both did this for Tokyo (I think UA now comes in as a domestic arrival, so not an issue any longer), Finnair, SAS both moved over to N at one point or another. I could see DL handling AF here in Seattle, in which case A would make sense, similar to China Air to Taipei (though that is technically a domestic arrival).



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9148 times:

Great news, and long-time coming - this has been rumored for years. I figured that NW would have started it first, but the flight should definitely do well with all the connecting opportunities on both ends (don't forget that AS is a partner with AF).

I think the A330 is the perfect sized aircraft for the route as well. I recently flew SEA-AMS-SEA with NW, and the flight was packed in both ways, even during the low season. People were connecting to all sorts of places, including BCN, BRU, NBO, and BOM. Also, on the return, there were quite a few Europeans connecting to NW's flight to HNL.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 7):
Great news for Seattle, this makes two European carriers now.

Actually, it makes three! BA, SK, and AF


User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9109 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 22):
I could see DL handling AF here in Seattle, in which case A would make sense, similar to China Air to Taipei

They don't move CA. CA's eastbound flight arrives and departs from S and the westbound arrives and departs from A.



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25 UAL757 : And YX is coming to SEA in April! Non-stop to Kansas City!!! Now i'll be able to have a taste of YX and AF in SEA. YES!!!!!!!
26 Connector4you : Over all good news for North-West travelers, a direct non-stop to a new European destination with a wide range of possible connections beyond Paris. B
27 DYK : Great News!! good for Seattle. I am sure the YVR Airport authority is not happy about this one! i dont think they had much of a chance with Air France
28 IAD380 : Is it likely that LH would fly to YVR, SEA, and PDX? I assume that a large percentage of LH passengers travelling between SEA and FRA currently trans
29 EXAAUADL : Is there a codeshare with AS?
30 Goldorak : probably not but DL for sure
31 Gunsontheroof : Score. I've been waiting on this one for a few years, glad to see it finally happen. Congrats to all parties involved.
32 Post contains images DiscoverCSG : Well, if you ask the Brits, they're not really a part of Europe, so take that back down to two Euro carriers. I've often thought AS would make a grea
33 Vega : Looks like it's Daily, but Seasonal - ending sometime in October.
34 Tockeyhockey : In the next 10 to 20 years, Seattle is going to become the global center for international public health issues because of the Gates Foundation and th
35 Post contains images Searpqx : No, what I meant was that the plane that flies on to NRT arrives from a US city. Don't know if this is still the case w/ the 777. When they were usin
36 N174UA : Unless it's SEA-MUC, it ain't gonna happen. Not as long as SK continues flying here. If that ever changes, then LH would come in with SEA-MUC. That's
37 Post contains images N174UA : Yes. #875 from DEN, then on to NRT. #876 is NRT-SEA-DEN. I'd like to see UA return to Int'l. service from SEA, though that won't happen until the 787
38 N174UA : ...And the 787 will be plane that helps make that happen. Hopefully the 748, too....
39 Gunsontheroof : Where are you getting that from? I've read every release I can find on the announcement and none of them have the word "seasonal" anywhere in them. T
40 Jetboy319 : Hopefully the Port of Portland has learned what a costly error that is in terms of the economic impact to the region.
41 Elcapi1980 : very good news for seattle, i was hoping to see the 777-300er, but 330 is a nice plane too....i was also wondering, why phoenix only has 1 direct depa
42 Goldorak : the 777 is probably too big for this new market for AF at 1st intention. AF usually use the 332 to open new routes or to add frequency to an existing
43 Jayce : My bet is still on Air Tahiti Nui with a PPT-YVR-CDG flight. I keep hearing rumours about it, but the CTA gets in the way of it.
44 N174UA : I admire your optimism....and "rose-y" outlook. Time will tell....
45 DYK : Speaking of PDX, Apprently KLM is very interested in serving PDX and DFW, rumours from the flight crew.
46 LHPDX : This is absolutely great new for Seattle and the people in the Pacific Northwest...Good job Seattle..Ofcourse I would love to see it at PDX, but havin
47 Gunsontheroof : It's hard to see that happening anytime soon. The level of service to Europe that PDX currently sees is pretty consistent with markets of that size a
48 LHPDX : "It's hard to see that happening anytime soon. The level of service to Europe that PDX currently sees is pretty consistent with markets of that size a
49 BigGSFO : The travelling public (outside of the people on this forum) could care less of the aircraft type. A non-stop to France far outweights the whole Boein
50 Post contains images RwSEA : I'd take NW's 330's over UA's 777's anyday.
51 Gunsontheroof : For the sake of appeasing the crowd who thinks aircraft choices matter to anyone but us av geeks, AF has a Boeing-made alternative; SK doesn't. Prett
52 PanAm330 : AF isn't going to add more seats than the market can bear- all airlines' yields would suffer as a result. Better to start off too small than too larg
53 Post contains images LN-MOW : They don't have enough cash .......
54 Jeremy : I heard the AF to SEA rumor way back in 1998 when I was working at SEA. Glad to see it's finally becoming a reality! Congrats to AF and SEA!
55 Jrlander : This is great news! Don't worry about AF bringing an A330 here- Boeing employees frequently fly Northwest and its A330's to Europe. (my partner is one
56 MCOflyer : Congrats on this route. I wouldnt be too surpise if these flights are full both ways. MCOflyer
57 Jrlander : I wonder- will AF try to get its own lounge at SEA, or will it use NW or DL's. NW has the right location, but it awfully small.
58 Alexinwa : Well HOLY MOLY!!!! It is about time. Rumor ville for years as it has been stated...... A 332 huh? A little over 210 pax. SK 230-240ish pax, BA 240-340
59 Post contains images 777-500er : Wow pretty late in the season to launch such a new important route for the summer... Michael SFO
60 Post contains images B757capt : Although it took 15 replys before someone mentioned it. Is anyone else looking at this as a slap in the face at Boeing. God I really am getting tired
61 S12PPL : Why? It's a popular tourist destination. I think it could happen in the future. Yep. The only reason this flight is working right now, is because of
62 Post contains images FlySSC : I doubt it will be seasonal. The winter 2007/2008 schedule is probably not yet loaded. A DAILY A332. (40J/179Y) we all pray for that !!! Rockwell & C
63 RoseFlyer : Although it may be small, it isn't that big of a concern because NW's flights from SEA mostly leave in the early morning, midday or middle of the nig
64 BigGSFO : Not any more of a "slap in the face" than any other airline sending an Airbus to SEA, UA and NW included. I honestly can't see why people actually se
65 S12PPL : I agree 100% I don't think people are going to say "What???!!! Air France is flying an A330 on that flight??!! That's it! I'm NOT flying them! If the
66 Lemurs : Except that NW's club closes at 3pm, if I am not mistaken. The AF flight departs and arrives too late to make use of the WorldClub. Though if this co
67 Post contains images Hamlet69 : GREAT NEWS!! Only one problem for AF that I can see - I just checked the respective websites, and BA is $200 cheaper (and it's a 777 to boot ). Still
68 Lemurs : BA also brings in a 744 on a semi-regular basis, so there are times the prices are rock-bottom. I don't think that's such a big deal though, since it
69 Gunsontheroof : If by "semi-regular" you mean 2x 744s a day in the summer and one daily in the winter, you're quite correct. Unless I'm grossly mistaken (I grew up s
70 Post contains images FlySSC : Air France has always been, for a very long tome, one of the most faithfull Boeing customers ... AF may operate 16 A332, they also operate more than
71 Bobnwa : Do you really believe it is a slap in the face of Boeing. Is every ailine flying into Germany, Italy and France with a Boeing slapping the face of Ai
72 Alexinwa : I cant find what BA is doing this summer with SEA-LHR. Last year it was a daily 744 and a 777 3x weekly.?!? I am also thinking that this AF flight wil
73 EVA777SEA : Last summer BA had 10x 744 weekly.
74 Post contains images N174UA : A long, LONG time in the future....we'll see PDX-AMS and even PDX-LGW before a flight to CDG. LH doesn't operate 777s...
75 KWBL : And cargo alone is not what makes the LH PDX-FRA flight work. They have have average 75-80% LF in the winter and 85 to 95% LF the other 8+ months of t
76 FlySSC : No it's not. The flight is DAILY for the summer season. It will be 5 x Weekly next winter 2007/2008 season (no flight on Monday & Thursday).
77 DYK : sooner than you think, KLM will enter DFW and PDX in 2008. A business study has just been completed were KLM was looking at YYC/PDX/DFW and few other
78 FLYYUL : Is it plausible that AF will a 4th YULCDG for summer 2008. Or would they rather upgauge AF345 and 349 to larger equipment types...
79 FoxXray : Yes it is ! for summer 2008 AF will have 4 daily flights to YUL ! By the way that's great to see AF at SEA !
80 ElGreco : For all Engineers and Workers of French subcontracting companies working for Boeing which are for years now, only on Eco class: Business Class on will
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