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Travelling As A Passenger In A CX Cargo Plane  
User currently offlineJlk From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 184 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 9522 times:

I was reading Barron's this weekend and there was an article about why Chinese Airspace is so crowded resulting in huge delays and excess fuel burn. It basically discussed the difference in regulations between China and the western nations like tail to nose distance, vertical separation, horizontal separation etc.

In passing, the author mentioned that to avoid the long delays because of congestion, business passengers between HKG and PEK prefer to take the 0325 flight eventhough it is a cargo plane and departs at an inconvenient time. This way they can beat the congestion and apparently this flight has a good track record on punctuality.

CX2034 HKG 03:25 PEK 06:30 0 03:05 330

I was surprised to know that Cargo flights carry passengers as well. Is this normal with other airlines?

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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2107 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9498 times:

I think you will find it is belly cargo. One reason for selecting the 330 was that it was good as a FR hauler without PAX.

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3900 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9498 times:

Very interesting...

Do they just use crew/courier seats?


User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9382 times:

DHL used to charter the belly space on CX A340/A330 night flights and entire cabins were empty. CX, I believe, used the flights for training.


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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4763 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9382 times:
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its a regular passenger A330 but its scheduled at that time to run freight (in the belly holds) but they sell the seats too.

User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9338 times:

These run at night both Cathay and Dragonair used to operate these flights for DHL but I'm not sure if they (the airline) advertised these flights and I dont think they show up on schedules.

CX used to operate a SIN/HKG/SIN rotation at night nicknamed the 'morning dragon, last out of SIN and first back in next am.



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User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9338 times:

Subsituted on heavier routes now with Air Hong Kong A300F


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User currently offlineJlk From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9322 times:

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 5):
but I'm not sure if they (the airline) advertised these flights and I dont think they show up on schedules.

CX2034 is listed on their website for passenger travel.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8938 times:

Out here Freighters can only carry Licenced personnell or Directors of the Airline concerned.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineJlk From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8757 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Out here ...

Is this in India? Are there regulations that dictate this?


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8585 times:

Cargo aircraft (like B74F/B74Y/M1F) will only take passengers as;

- substiture/deadhead flightcrew
- airline staff on duty (e.g. cargo staff/loadmaster etc.)
- other passengers, only being of importance to attend a specific cargo shipment on board

This is a basic rule and used by most common airline companies operating cargo aircraft.

It's absolutely not common, and mostly not allowed to take revenue passengers onboard of cargo aircraft.

1) the aircraft/flight will loose the status 'Cargo Aircraft' and this may cause difficulties when carrying some dangerous goods.
2) airline companies usually don't have traffic rights to transport revenue passengers on their cargo flights.



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