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Adam Air Accident/incident Again @SUB, Injuries.  
User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 76
Posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15141 times:

Another accident/incident today involving Adam Air, reported hard/baulked landing at Surabaya.
Runway was blocked, airport closed, several injuries including pax trapped in the aircraft. Conflicting reports as to the extent of the damage.
Aircraft has been towed to Merpati Maintenance Center.

No matter how many accidents/incidents/writeoffs/loss of life, if they don't change, this will continue unfortunately. I guess they'll have to lower their lowest fares again now!

Mandala499


When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8863 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15127 times:

Would be a bit hard to spot the new wreck, between the Merparti and Lion Air wrecks.


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 15058 times:

The saga of Adam Air continues, as, unfortunately, nothing has changed since the airline's fatal crash less than 2 months ago. I'm sure they'll find a way to blame it on someone or something else this time as well. Let's just wait for the next fatal crash.

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 15050 times:

Forgot to mention that the flight in question was KI172 between Jakarta (CGK) and Surabaya (SUB) and the incident happened around 2 hours ago.

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14979 times:

OK, just saw the pics on TV, it looks like a write off, behind the wing box, it appears that the tail has bent down...
Another classic down the drain at Adam Air... now they're beginning to make the -200s look a hell of a lot safer! LOL

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14929 times:

That's what I thought as well was I saw the pictures. The back section looks cracked. I'd very surprised if this frame ever took to the skies again. It is likely to join the other assorted wreckages around the Merpati Maintenance Facility.

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14912 times:

Well, those scrappers in SUB is having a good year... first was a Lion MD80, they just finished chopping up PK-YTA last month, and now they got a new job...

Windshear suspected...

Mandala499

[Edited 2007-02-21 12:17:57]


When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14815 times:

Seems to be a -300 series, but I couldn't find out the registration yet.

User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14791 times:

How do these guys keep their insurance? Or do they?


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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2870 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14772 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 4):
it looks like a write off, behind the wing box, it appears that the tail has bent down...

Any pictures?



I scratch my head, therefore I am.
User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14659 times:

it's KKV... I am told...
Pics? Here...

Taken from:
http://www.liputan6.com/view/7,137754,1,0,1172062087.html

The full link...

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14539 times:

OUCH!! I'm no engineer, but to do that to an a/c, you must have to land pretty hard! Hope everyone recovers from their injuries.

User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14529 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 10):
it's KKV... I am told...

A write-off within three months after receiving this aircraft, impressive.


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14503 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 12):
A write-off within three months after receiving this aircraft, impressive.

I repeat my previous question; and am I glad I'm not insuring them!



The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14432 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
I'd very surprised if this frame ever took to the skies again.

With Adam Air, you never know. Just adjust the trim and it's fixed.  Wink

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 8):
How do these guys keep their insurance? Or do they?

You're assuming they had one before. Really ?  Wink



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13033 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14416 times:

Probably due to the tight connections of Adam Air and the government, they may have some protection to keep being insured by domestic companies. International insurers and Reinsurerers will probably raise their premium rates to uneconomic levels or Adam Air will find some really dumb company to insure them at reasonable rates.
Still, International insurance organizations like Lloyds of London, will have to say that they cannot take any further risks with Adam Air.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14358 times:

Adam Air officials are going out of their way in the local media here, as we speak, to blame the incident on the weather, although plenty of other aircraft landed at Surabaya's Juanda International Airport right around the same time as this one. This is gonna be a classic story of shifting the blame again as well as, very likely, coaxing the media into keeping the incident as quiet as possible. Nothing has changed since last month, and nothing will change after this incident.

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14344 times:

The difference is...
The Suherman family isn't going on the front anymore after last month, they have now installed a new Commercial Director, a Mr. Gugi Pringwa, as the main spokesperson... I won't be surprised if the original directors name have been removed from the company documents... Many new "implants" at the top posts now at Adam... the old family have largely hid themselves...

If it was windshear, why was there no go around? Otherwise, must have been a very bad sink to cause this... the crew isn't themselves bad, mind U, no matter how good the crew is, somehow, after they get into Adam and don't get out, things start happening to their brains... *quoted from someone who left KI*

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14246 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 17):
they have now installed a new Commercial Director, a Mr. Gugi Pringwa, as the main spokesperson...

The poor guy must currently be wishing he didn't get out of bed this morning. He's being grilled left and right all over the news...


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6761 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14047 times:

Well, I doubt he'd be interested in getting out of bed at all lately...
This week he had to deal with Adam Air staff being accused of airport tax fraud.
The week before, follow up on the Social Insurance problems
The week before was about the verdicts of the 17 pilots Adam Air is suing
The week before it was a hell of a lot more stuff...

I wonder how much they are paying him for this job?



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14046 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 14):
With Adam Air, you never know. Just adjust the trim and it's fixed.

Kudos for the guy that can fix this by adjusting the trim Big grin

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(C) Reuters - http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/pictures/JAK11.htm


User currently offlineCHabu From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13946 times:

Hiya,

More photo's at:

http://foto.detik.com/index.php/home...233/idnews/745338/idkanal/157/id/1

Bye, Chris.


User currently offlineZKNZA From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13922 times:

How is this airline still allowed to fly?
To do that to a 737, you must be really trying.
Typically for an Indonesian airline, they wont accept responsibility, when clearly they should.
The Indonesian authorities need to get their s**t together.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13862 times:

I´m going to visit Bali again soon. If not anything before, this is the final proof that I will definitely fly a domestic carrier within Indonesia. Indonesias accident rate tops that of Nigeria.

User currently offlineCHabu From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 13863 times:

Hiya,

Am i correct in the assumption, this can only be done when an aircraft lands very hard on the runway ?

CU


25 Post contains images BuyantUkhaa : Don't push your luck
26 Brons2 : holy sheet! man that was one hard landing. The only thing I can say about all this, is that if you ever find yourself in Indonesia, and you value you
27 HB-IWC : You shouldn't have any issues flying Garuda or Air Asia Indonesia for your domestic travel, but I guess that if you are only planning to visit Bali,
28 Mandala499 : Government has announced it is grounding Adam Air's 733 fleet... (wonder about the 734/735 types) pending the outcome of the investigation. A preventi
29 Jamake1 : I am just curious...have the wreckage and human remains been recovered from the Adam Air accident in January?
30 HB-IWC : That'll be a third of the fleet then, if true. I'm already looking forward to what's gonna happen at the airport tomorrow then. I guess the governmen
31 PHKLM : You would say you have to be pretty ignorant to fly AdamAir these days. From our last discussion I recall people in Indonesia are quite price-sensiti
32 HB-IWC : The government has decided to let go of all that, officially because the funds for such a recovery operation are not available - foreign expertise wo
33 Post contains images KevinSmith : Indonesian Airlines.......... I take some of that back on second thought. Garuda was pretty good. I was not a fan of Trigana. On Trigana it was cargo
34 ConjureMe : Wow! Some hostility there or what?
35 Nitrohelper : No Hostility, just the fact. They can't stand to say we made a mistake. Its always someone else that causes the problems. They are wonderful people t
36 Mli717fan : Dang, those things are sturdy. It's bent, but it didn't break. Think about this and the Aloha "Convertible Airliner" incident. Not to mention GOL and
37 Post contains links Electech6299 : Did you see the pictures in the link from reply 21? Especially this one. If that ain't broke, I don't know what is. But yes, the frame was solid and
38 Post contains images Electech6299 : Hmmm, I wonder if Boeing is going to start a counter-suit against Adam Air now? They keep giving Boeing products bad press! It seems that Adam Air ha
39 MLI717fan : Oh yeah, it is a write-off. I just meant that the airplane stayed intact well enough to keep the passengers safe(er?). Surely, if the airplane would
40 CcrlR : I'm pretty sure that is why the fuselage has a bend at the bottom, and the tail is on the ground. Reminds me of the McDonnell Douglas DC-9 which made
41 BladeLWS : WOW! I'm surprised the gear didn't collapse after a landing like that!
42 Teneriffe77 : According to the book: Great Airliners V2: Douglas DC-8. Test aircraft (DC-8#2) suffered a hard landing at Edwards on May 14, 1959 that resulted in th
43 Post contains images 9MMAR : First and foremost, I would like to add another two more photos to the already impressive collection of this tragedy. Sorry for the quality, as it was
44 Mandala499 : 9MMAR, Yes, dealing with auditors (especially regulatory auditors) can be a total joke... But when someone grounds your plane because they can't find
45 Ismangun : Indonesian Government (and the people shoving money to them) should change quick. These rapid increase in accident/incident trends really shows that t
46 Post contains images 9MMAR : Indeed Mandala499. Considering how good you are to me, I am not comfortable of discussing this topic as you are a handful of Indonesians who are not
47 Usair320 : That must hae been one hell of a landing..............
48 Post contains images September11 : This is the Eastern Airlines DC-9 in Pensacola, Florida (PNS)
49 Rsg85 : Any closeups of landing gear? how did the tires survive
50 Andrewuber : It amazes me how people still insist on taking their damned BAGS during an emergency evacuation. They are saying their carryon is more important than
51 Jcf5002 : The gear looks sufficiently bent in the pic in the newspaper clipping. Doesn't look like the tires blew though. Correct me if I am wrong, but accordin
52 Mandala499 : Ismangun, Welcome back after all these years.... U sure it's not at the stage of 4 wrongs make a right? 9MMAR, Don't worry about it. There's a rising
53 Curmudgeon : The spoilers are retracted during a passenger evacuation, and in fact are an item in the checklist for all 737 variants. (Makes fewer obstacles for ov
54 HB-IWC : I hear you, yet here in Indonesia it is common knowledge in this case that if they don't take their bags themselves, they will never ever see them ba
55 9MMAR : Based on the news article which accompanies the photos, yes, the aircraft hit the ground twice before rolling some 1 kilometers away and finally came
56 Mandala499 : So, when KKW happened, a ship sinking preceeded it... now, KKV preceeded a ship fire (today)... I guess the country needs to catch up with transportat
57 Ismangun : Well, they don't need that much to justify their wrongdoings... I believe that now they (the owners) are packing-up ready to bail-out at any time. Ch
58 HB-IWC : The country is only now starting to harvest the results of nearly 9 years of utter mismanagement and spiraling corruption, which has seen a disturbin
59 HB-IWC : Yeah, let's get out if this airline industry and venture into some other business where it's easier to rob people blind. Why not open a bank or so in
60 9MMAR : I just watched the news and looks like KI has painted KKV with an all white paint, I think to hide the company's identity on the aircraft. The police
61 Post contains links PHKLM : Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 60): The news also mentioned about the possibility that the authorities here will ground all 733s, not just KI's 733s. If this is
62 Airfoilsguy : P.A. announcement "Please be advised that contents in overhead bins may have shifted during landing"
63 PHKLM : PK-KKV was built in 1994 and the last operator before AdamAir was indeed VARIG. RG operated the plane from 2001 until 2006, when it was grounded as a
64 Ismangun : Well they are 10 years too late to join the banking sectors. With the sectors deregulated and heavily monitored, it's now the only good-governance sh
65 SeeTheWorld : I have a buddy who is moving to Indonesia next month to budget travel around the country for a few months. I want to advise him of which airlines to a
66 9MMAR : GA is not budget. QZ (Indonesia Air Asia) is. So QZ would be the leading choice. The only disadvantage is perhaps their not so extensive network thro
67 HB-IWC : QZ would be completely shut down it that case, but also Garuda and Garuda Citilink would be very seriously affected. I know for a fact that certain p
68 9MMAR : Bad, bad guy! Isn't he the one who appeared the most number of times in all news on tv today?[Edited 2007-02-22 16:28:53]
69 CcrlR : There was another one from McDonnell Douglas where they used their own aircraft at Edwards Air Force Base and this happened(there are videos of this
70 N757KW : I know everyone loves to bash Adam Air and it is deserved. But, to play the devil's advocate, what if this accident is a result of windshear/microburs
71 Post contains images SAOAP : Well, Adam Air also flies the 73S Just joking. I suppose we can't really know what happened there. A windshear/microburst wouldn't surprise me either
72 Post contains images LH459 : So much for 90 seconds, then!
73 Mandala499 : 10min evac? Sure, according to witnesses, the cabin crew didn't guide the evacuation so the pax initiated the evac, and did it their way... Had the cr
74 Post contains images Electech6299 : I find it hard to believe that any "evidence" related to this incident could be hidden under a coat of paint. Any "questionable" repairs would surely
75 MarkHKG : Interestingly, in many carriers across the globe, if the F/A notices metal scraping the ground, or fuselage disruptions or breaks in the cabin, it is
76 Post contains images Electech6299 : In that case, perhaps the F/As were trying to get their bags as well, so they wouldn't be pilfered by the remaining pax One would hope, but this is n
77 Post contains links MarkHKG : The National Transportation Safety Committee (the NTSB of Indonesia) did a previous report on a Lion Air incident, and they did a relatively thorough
78 9MMAR : Hmm... actually Adam Air did more than that. First they towed the frame out of the runway, several hours after the incident. Then they paint it all w
79 Jetfuel : Somebody tell the owners of these Adam Air planes to cancel the leases and get the planes back whilst they can. Before too long the insurers wont cove
80 HB-IWC : I think that Adam Air cabin crew training is now down to something like 2 weeks or even less than that, but given the kind of political backing of th
81 Mandala499 : Well, LH managed to do it with Indonesian Airlines 733s... and I heard it wasn't easy! Involving some very radical plans to take the planes and heaps
82 Jetfuel : What has happened to the black boxes from the a/c? I see the Garuda accident boxes are being recovered bt the ATSB from Australia. So what's going on
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