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Air Canada 77W EIS Question  
User currently offlineDon81603 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

According to Air Canada's website http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/ the first 77W has joined the fleet. Is this true, or a bit premature?


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

I see that from 7th April YYZ-LHR will be operated by a 77W on AC 856 . Will be cool to see that.

User currently offlineN43W79 From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

I believe EIS for the first 777 is March 26th.

User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

Last I heard, the first AC 77W has already been built and is sitting outside the Boeing factory at Paine field awaiting painting.


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User currently offlineMdaigle From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

There is one 777-300ER showing as being imported into Canada ... today !

I found this information on Transport Canada's website (http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/activepages/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/imports.asp)

Common name Model Serial Imported From Date Imported
Boeing 777-300ER 35256 U.S.A. 2007-02-21


I don't know if this serial number matches up with with the first AC 777. Would be quite a feat if they snuck it out of Paine Field without any pics being taken.

Michel


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

Quoting Mdaigle (Reply 4):
Boeing 777-300ER 35256 U.S.A. 2007-02-21


I don't know if this serial number matches up with with the first AC 777.

It matches up with the serial number on the first AC 77W sitting at KPAE quite nicely  Wink


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Checked Boeing website, no news of 777 delivery to AC yet....


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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
I see that from 7th April YYZ-LHR will be operated by a 77W on AC 856 . Will be cool to see that

I'll be on that plane on the 21st April LHR-YYZ. Some may call be stupid, but decided to route myself with AC to Vancouver - LHR-YYZ-YVR, so I could get a chance to be one one of the first to fly the 777-300 with AC.

At lease will break some of the boredom as those A330's on the LHR-YVR route have no PTV's.


User currently offlineSixtySeven From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

The first 777 will be picked up on the 29th of March. It will then fly to YVR then to YYZ or YUL for acceptance checks that will take around 7 days. From there it will do some Rapidairs between YYZ and YUL to get the intital cadre checked out, then will fly the Atlantic for about a month for ETOPS purposes (initially only 120 min ETOPS followed by 180 within 1-2 months).

Once a couple more come on line they will then start the Pacific flying.



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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4879 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2183 times:

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 8):
then will fly the Atlantic for about a month for ETOPS purposes (initially only 120 min ETOPS followed by 180 within 1-2 months).

Presumably this is a requirement of the Canadian regulator. Is it correct to assume, therefore, that AC cannot introduce the 777 series on the coat tails of their ETOPS with other twins and get immediate ETOPS180?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2173 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 7):
I'll be on that plane on the 21st April LHR-YYZ. Some may call be stupid, but decided to route myself with AC to Vancouver - LHR-YYZ-YVR, so I could get a chance to be one one of the first to fly the 777-300 with AC.

Cool !!! Dont forget to take pics and do a trip report......PLEASE!!!! Cant wait to see inside the cabin....


User currently offlinePsyops From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2076 times:

I am making a trip to Seattle March 8 to see if I can get some photos of the first AC 777. Should be out of paint by then.

User currently offlineSixtySeven From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2055 times:

Sunrise:

You are right. The reason for the lowered ETOPS value has to do with Transport Canada's accelerated ETOPS certification standard.

Anytime a new aircraft type is entered into service within a specific fleet, you become restricted for a brief period of time. 30-45 days after the 777 begins ETOPS flying they will receive an increase to 138min then after another 30-45 days they will get the full 180mins.

AC went through the same with the A330 when it entered service. Generally it doesn't hamper the operation flying westbound as the routes are more northern to get away from the headwinds. Eastbound it can add a few minutes as the flight must route more northerly and get out of the strong tailwinds.

Hope that helps.

BTW. We all know that ETOPS stands for Extended Twin Operations..... But in reality it stands for "Engines Turn or People Swim."



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