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Why So May NW Planes In TVC This Mourning?  
User currently offlineDenver11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4255 times:

Hi, I was driving by the airport in Traverse City this mourning and I counted 8 NW/NW Airlink planes parked at the terminal. this was around 10 am or so. I thought something was weird when I was leaving the local Walmart a little earlier and an NW Airbus flew overhead and I know they aren't flying Airbus's into TVC right now. Just curious why we had a little NWA hub here this mourning.:P

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User currently offlineVivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4224 times:

These arrivals do look a bit odd. I would guess these are charters for some sort of event. TVC in winter seems like an odd place for an event.

FLG5881 CRJ2 Mc Ghee Tyson (KTYS) Wed 07:39AM EST Wed 09:52AM EST
NWA653 A319 Newark/New York Liberty Int'l (KEWR) Wed 06:41AM EST Wed 09:20AM EST
FLG5820 CRJ2 Westchester Co (KHPN) Wed 06:15AM EST Wed 08:56AM EST
FLG2992 CRJ2 Roanoke Regional Woodrum Field (KROA) Wed 06:11AM EST Wed 08:41AM EST
FLG3709 CRJ2 Richmond Int'l (KRIC) Wed 06:12AM EST Wed 08:35AM EST
FLG3752 CRJ2 Blue Grass (KLEX) Wed 06:46AM EST Wed 08:23AM EST
FLG5879 CRJ2 Detroit Metro Wayne Co (KDTW) Wed 07:25AM EST Wed 08:03AM EST



Craig
MKE



MKE / EYW / LAS - The true trifecta of aviation!
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4170 times:

Fog in DTW? There is qute a biy og fog out there and maybe TVC was the closest open alternate.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2):
Fog in DTW? There is qute a biy og fog out there and maybe TVC was the closest open alternate.

Give the man a cigar--TVC looks like one of the better alternates this morning...



KDTW 211754Z 19005KT 2SM BR FEW005 M01/M02 A2991 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 4 SLP135 60000 T10061022 11006 21044 58003
KDTW 211742Z 19003KT 2SM BR SCT005 M01/M02 A2991 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 3
KDTW 211729Z 18004KT 2SM BR BKN005 M02/M03 A2991 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 2 1/2 CIG 003V007
KDTW 211700Z 21003KT 1SM BR OVC003 M02/M03 A2992 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1 1/2
KDTW 211654Z 21003KT 3/4SM BR OVC001 M02/M03 A2992 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1 1/4 SNB20E30 SLP140 P0000 T10221033
KDTW 211641Z 19003KT 3/4SM BR OVC001 M02/M04 A2993 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1 SNB20E30 P0000 RVRNO
KDTW 211554Z 22004KT 1/4SM BR OVC001 M03/M04 A2992 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 3/4 SLP140 T10281044 RVRNO
KDTW 211541Z 20006KT 1/4SM FZFG OVC001 M03/M04 A2992 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1 1/4
KDTW 211454Z 17006KT 1/16SM FZFG VV001 M03/M04 A2992 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 1/8 SLP138 T10331039 51011 RVRNO

KGRR 211756Z 21008KT 4SM HZ BKN200 03/M02 A2985 RMK AO2 SLP119 4/007 T00281017 10028 21072 58006 $
KGRR 211706Z 21009KT 3SM BR BKN200 01/M01 A2987 RMK AO2 $
KGRR 211656Z 21008KT 2 1/2SM BR BKN200 01/M01 A2987 RMK AO2 SLP124 T00061011 $
KGRR 211641Z 21008KT 2SM BR BKN200 01/M01 A2987 RMK AO2 $
KGRR 211623Z 22006KT 1 3/4SM BR BKN200 00/M02 A2987 RMK AO2 $
KGRR 211556Z 17003KT 1/2SM FZFG SCT001 SCT200 M02/M02 A2987 RMK AO2 SLP124 T10171022 $
KGRR 211456Z 00000KT 1/8SM FZFG VV001 M03/M04 A2987 RMK AO2 SLP126 T10331039 53008 $

KTVC 211753Z 20010G16KT 160V220 10SM FEW100 06/M04 A2975 RMK AO2 SLP080 6//// T00561044 10056 21039 58007
KTVC 211653Z AUTO VRB06KT 10SM BKN095 04/M06 A2977 RMK AO2 SLP089 T00441056 TSNO
KTVC 211553Z 21009KT 8SM FEW090 03/M05 A2977 RMK AO2 SLP090 T00331050 PNO $
KTVC 211453Z 19007KT 150V210 6SM BR CLR 02/M04 A2977 RMK AO2 SLP090 6//// T00171044 53002 PNO $

KMBS 211753Z 24009KT 5SM HZ CLR 02/M02 A2986 RMK AO2 SLP120 T00221022 10022 21083 58001
KMBS 211653Z 23009KT 3SM HZ CLR 01/M02 A2987 RMK AO2 SLP125 T00061022
KMBS 211621Z 24007KT 3SM BR CLR 00/M02 A2987 RMK AO2
KMBS 211553Z 19006KT 2SM BR CLR M01/M03 A2987 RMK AO2 SLP124 T10111028
KMBS 211546Z 20006KT 2SM BR CLR M02/M03 A2987 RMK AO2
KMBS 211453Z 20007KT 1 3/4SM BR FEW001 M03/M04 A2987 RMK AO2 SLP124 T10281039 50006

KFNT 211753Z 23005KT 6SM HZ FEW080 03/M03 A2987 RMK AO2 SLP126 4/004 933006 T00281028 10028 21094 58004
KFNT 211653Z 19006KT 3SM BR FEW004 00/M02 A2988 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 4 SLP128 T00001022
KFNT 211642Z 20005KT 3SM BR FEW004 00/M02 A2988 RMK AO2
KFNT 211626Z 19006KT 2SM BR BKN004 M01/M02 A2988 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 2 1/2
KFNT 211607Z 20005KT 1SM BR OVC003 M01/M02 A2989 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1 1/2
KFNT 211553Z 21005KT 1/2SM BR OVC001 M02/M03 A2989 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 3/4 SLP131 T10171028
KFNT 211547Z 20005KT 1/2SM FZFG OVC001 M02/M03 A2988 RMK AO2
KFNT 211453Z 20004KT 1/4SM FZFG VV001 M03/M04 A2987 RMK AO2 SLP127 T10281039 50004
KFNT 211445Z 19005KT 1/4SM FZFG VV001 M02/M04 A2988 RMK AO2
KFNT 211440Z 19005KT 1/2SM FZFG BKN003 M02/M04 A2988 RMK AO2
KFNT 211431Z 20005KT 1 1/4SM BR BKN003 M02/M03 A2988 RMK AO2
KFNT 211403Z 20003KT 1 1/2SM BR CLR M03/M04 A2988 RMK AO2

KCLE 211751Z 20009KT 4SM HZ BKN008 BKN250 02/M01 A2994 RMK AO2 SLP146 8/508 933005 4/009 T00171011 10017 21017 58003
KCLE 211651Z 21007KT 3SM BR OVC005 00/M01 A2996 RMK AO2 SLP154 T00001011
KCLE 211643Z 20006KT 3SM BR OVC005 00/M01 A2996 RMK AO2
KCLE 211625Z 20006KT 3SM BR OVC003 00/M01 A2996 RMK AO2
KCLE 211610Z 21007KT 2 1/2SM BR OVC003 00/M02 A2996 RMK AO2 VIS 1 3/4 NE
KCLE 211602Z 21007KT 1 3/4SM BR OVC003 M01/M01 A2996 RMK AO2
KCLE 211551Z 17007KT 1 3/4SM BR OVC001 M01/M01 A2996 RMK AO2 SLP153 T10061011
KCLE 211529Z 21006KT 1SM BR OVC001 M01/M02 A2996 RMK AO2
KCLE 211451Z 22004KT 1/2SM FZFG OVC001 M01/M01 A2995 RMK AO2 SLP150 8/5// T10111011 51016 $
KCLE 211403Z 21007KT 1/4SM FZFG VV001 M02/M02 A2994 RMK AO2

KTOL 211752Z 17005KT 1 1/2SM BR OVC001 M01/M02 A2991 RMK AO2 SLP136 T10061017 10000 21028 58003
KTOL 211736Z 20005KT 1SM BR OVC001 M01/M02 A2992 RMK AO2
KTOL 211712Z 18003KT 1/2SM FZFG OVC001 M01/M02 A2993 RMK AO2
KTOL 211652Z 17003KT 1/4SM FZFG VV001 M01/M02 A2993 RMK AO2 SLP143 T10061022
KTOL 211552Z 00000KT 1/4SM FZFG VV001 M01/M02 A2992 RMK AO2 SLP141 T10061022
KTOL 211452Z 00000KT M1/4SM HZ VV001 M01/M04 A2992 RMK AO2 SLP139 T10111039 50012

KMDW 211751Z 20010KT 6SM HZ BKN250 06/02 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP126 4/001 60000 T00560017 10056 21044 58007
KMDW 211651Z 20007KT 5SM BR BKN250 03/01 A2989 RMK AO2 SLP131 T00280011
KMDW 211631Z 21009KT 3SM BR FEW005 BKN250 02/01 A2989 RMK AO2
KMDW 211604Z 20007KT 2SM BR SCT001 BKN250 00/M01 A2989 RMK AO2
KMDW 211551Z 20007KT 1 1/4SM R31C/5000VP6000FT BR BKN001 M01/M01 A2989 RMK AO2 SLP134 T10061011
KMDW 211546Z 20006KT 1SM R31C/3500VP6000FT BR OVC001 M01/M01 A2990 RMK AO2
KMDW 211529Z 20006KT 1/4SM R31C/2000V2800FT FZFG OVC001 M02/M02 A2990 RMK AO2
KMDW 211506Z 21004KT 1/16SM R31C/1400V1800FT FZFG VV001 M02/M02 A2990 RMK AO2
KMDW 211451Z 22006KT 1/16SM R31C/1800V2600FT FZFG VV001 M02/M03 A2989 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/4 SLP135 60000 T10221028 52015
KMDW 211415Z 20005KT 1/2SM R31C/2800VP6000FT BR BKN001 BKN150 BKN250 M03/M03 A2989 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1

KORD 211751Z 22013KT 9SM SCT250 07/01 A2986 RMK AO2 SLP117 4/001 T00670006 10067 21050 58007
KORD 211651Z 22010KT 8SM SCT250 05/01 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP122 T00500011
KORD 211551Z 22010KT 5SM HZ FEW250 03/00 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP123 T00280000
KORD 211451Z 20007KT 5SM BR FEW250 01/M01 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP124 T00061011 51015


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting Denver11 (Thread starter):
Hi, I was driving by the airport in Traverse City this mourning

its very sad isnt it????  Sad


User currently offlineVivavegas From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 505 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 2):
Fog in DTW?

DOH!

Forgot to check weather, looks like these were indeed diversions -

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FLG3709

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...2/history/20070221/1146Z/KLEX/KDTW

Etc...

Craig
MKE



MKE / EYW / LAS - The true trifecta of aviation!
User currently offlineDenver11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4129 times:

Must be the fog, I haven't seen this many jets at one time at TVC since 9/11 when they cleared the skies.

User currently offlineDenver11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 4):

Why is it sad?


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 4):
its very sad isnt it????

Very sad indeed. How long was the mourning? Did it end at 11:59?  Wink I know this will be deleted, sorry forum Gods, couldn't resist.  Smile



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

cuz he was MOURNING in the MORNING


Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Maybe he tied up his yacht....
 sarcastic 
safe



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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7587 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

Yeah, the southern half of the lower pennisula got socked in with ice fog this morning. It warmed up to near 40F yesterday and melted a lot of snow, saturating the air with moisture. Then it got cold over night, down to about 15F, below the dew point and an icy fog developed this morning around sunrise at 7:30am and burned off by about 10:30am-11am. It was enough to completely screw up the 8am inbound arrivals bank into DTW. A number of aircraft were already on approach into DTW before they had to be waved off and divert

The same thing happened at many of the normal DTW diversion airports. FNT got a few in, along with MBS before it got bad. TOL sent and American Eagle diversion to PIT. DTW had to resort to other alternates such as TVC, PLN, APN that were far enough north to not be fogged in.

PLN took two Mesaba diversions - (including the PLN-DTW flight that had to turn back after it made it downstate)
MES3089 SF34 Pellston Regional Airport Of Emmet Co (KPLN) 06:14a EST 08:36a EST (departed and had to return)
MES2745 SF34 Ithaca Tompkins Regional (KITH) 06:38a EST 09:26a EST

APN too a Mesaba flight
MES3044 SF34 Charlottesville Albemarle (KCHO) 06:02a GMT 08:59a EST

MBS took one diversion before it got socked in:
MES3185 SF34 Yeager (KCRW) Wed 06:39AM EST Wed 08:52AM EST

FNT took a few diversions also:
FLG2867 CRJ2 Stewart Int'l (KSWF) Wed 06:16AM EST Wed 08:04AM EST
FLG2938 CRJ2 Lehigh Valley Int'l (KABE) Wed 06:16AM EST Wed 08:03AM EST
FLG2934 CRJ2 University Park (KUNV) Wed 06:13AM EST Wed 07:39AM EST
FLG5845 CRJ2 Elmira Corning Regional (KELM) Wed 06:13AM EST Wed 07:33AM EST


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):
APN too a Mesaba flight
MES3044 SF34 Charlottesville Albemarle (KCHO) 06:02a GMT 08:59a EST

That is a long flight on a SF3...CHO-DTW hold on to APN.


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7587 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Yes, that is a long time to be in the air, almost 3 hrs on a Saab. It must have been lightly loaded today in order for it to stay airbourne that long. We had a Saab fly SCE (UNV)-MSP a few times as a sports charter for the University of MN, but it was less than 50% full for the women's soccer team.

Interesting decisions today in APN. The morning flight CIU-APN-DTW left APN and diverted to MBS

MES2706 MKG-DTW also diverted to APN this morning, leaving the MKG & CHO Saabs on the ground at APN.

They cancelled MES3044 in APN and took the pax off this flight on combined them on the Saab from MKG and then sent them on to DTW.

The aircraft that came in from CHO stayed in APN until this afternoon where it flew up to CIU to operate the afternoon CIU-APN-DTW flight. They cancelled the outbound DTW-APN flight this afternoon, and let the Saab up in APN cover the remaining legs.

Good operational decisions being made today to operate as much of a schedule as possible.


User currently offlineGregarious119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

I was gonna say - we're closer to DTW than TVC is, down here in DAY.

However, we got the icy fog just as bad, and I would assume that CMH did too.

I wouldn't've minded a free trip up to APN - I miss it up there in the North woods.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

Judging from the fog that's already formed down here in TOL tonight, looks like there may be similar problems on Thursday morning.....

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Check this one out! Man, this guy sure did divert to a far away alternate!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...3/history/20070221/1135Z/KCHS/KGRB


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7587 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Tomorrow morning shouldn't be as bad since there is a cold front going through this evening. It started getting foggy but the winds are supposed to kick up the front should kick this moist, warm air out of here.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 16):
Check this one out! Man, this guy sure did divert to a far away alternate!

From looking at the track, I suspect CLE was his alternate, but couldn't get in.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 17):
Tomorrow morning shouldn't be as bad since there is a cold front going through this evening.

The weather bulletin here in TOL expires at 0300, hopefully things will be clear in the AM.


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7587 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 18):
From looking at the track, I suspect CLE was his alternate, but couldn't get in.

Looks like they were thinking about diverting to MBS too, but couldn't get in there so they went on to GRB.

Most of the mainline guys still made it into DTW. I think the EWR flight was the only one to divert.

They were landing on the 3's/4's during yesterday's fog.


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

Story w/ video. I think its great that NW offered meal vouchers and discounted travel on a future flight for all involved. Sounds as if one knob didnt think that was enough. "Its my first time flying Northwest and it will be my last". HA.

http://www.9and10news.com/category/story/?id=113584


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7587 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 20):
Sounds as if one knob didnt think that was enough. "Its my first time flying Northwest and it will be my last". HA.

There are always those idiots....as if anyone else isn't prone to weather delays/diversions. I guess they thought it was okay to land with zero visibility.....

Anyways, here is the full diversion list from Wednesday morning

The 7:30am-8:30am Arrival bank yesterday looked like this:
FNT (5) got 1 Saab & 4 CRJ's: MQT, UNV, ELM, ABE, SWF
MBS (2) got 2 Saab's: CRW & APN
TVC (7) got 1 A319 & 6 CRJ's: EWR, HPN, ROA, LEX, RIC, ERI, TYS
PLN (2) got 2 Saab's: ITH, PLN (returned)
APN (2) got 2 Saab's: CHO, MKG (can you imagine going CHO-APN on a Saab)
GRB (4) got 1 CRJ, 1 752, 1 A319, 1 A320: CHS, MSP, BDL, CLT
BUF (3) got 2 A319 1 D9S: MHT, RDU, PHL
MKE (6) got 1 CRJ, 1 D95, 2 D9S, 1 A319, 1 752: YOW, SYR, ORF, ROC, DCA, LGA
PIT (5) got 1 CRJ, 1 A320, 1 752, 1 D95, 1 D9S: PWM, PVD, BOS, YYZ, ALB
YXU (2) got 2 Saab's: YKF, YXU (returned)
LBE: (1) 1 Saab, returned back

The other short hops (17) (FNT, LAN, GRR, AZO, TVC, TOL, MSN, ORD, MKE, IND, FWA, SBN, CVG, CMH, CLE, CAK, PIT) were held before they took off.

Of that entire arrival bank, only 3 flights got in befor the airport closed: BWI, IAD, and LAX. As you can see why DTW was such a mess on Wednesday with aircraft diverted all over the Great Lakes. Once the airport reopened they had to bring all those flights in, regroup and attempt to pick up the schedule for the rest of the day. It was quite a mess, as the fog rolled in at the worst possible time.

Its pretty rare that places like TVC, PLN, & APN are used as DTW alternates, but they had to fly far enough north to where it was colder and not fogged in.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

..."my travel agent said get off the line(phone) and get in line quick..???
That guy needs a new T.A. The drill is if you bought the tick from a T.A, call the T.A.(if open) and
they will rebook, call you back on the cell and give you your new sched. THEN get in line and the one agent..
(heh heh heh) will have your new record in the computer.
safe



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