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Why No AA A300 On DFW?  
User currently offlineEdelag From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5855 times:

I was flying an AA A300 on FS and a question came to mind. Why aren't there any pictures of any AA A300 on DFW? From my many trips to DFW I have never seen or remember to have seen one there. Is it because they are only sent to the Caribbean and places around there?

Any answers would help. After all isn't DFW AA's main hub?


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

well I would say the capacity would be to big for the routes that the A300 could be used. (Northern LatinAmrica)


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5842 times:

Caribbean runs demand the cargo space. I could a SJU run warranting that a/c.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5819 times:

Quoting Edelag (Thread starter):
Why aren't there any pictures of any AA A300 on DFW?

AA hasn't really ever flown the A300 into DFW in regular scheduled service. In fact, to my knowledge, AA has never scheduled the A300 through DFW. I know they used to fly them to ORD, from SJU and possibly other places, when they used to have a SJU FA base, but that was long, long ago. Today, as others have said, the higher cargo capacity means they stay on the east coast, doing runs to and from the Caribbean and Latin America out of JFK and MIA.

Quoting Edelag (Thread starter):
After all isn't DFW AA's main hub?

Yes, D/FW is AA's largest hub by far and home base, but doesn't see every aircraft type in the AA fleet. D/FW doesn't get the the A300, 767-200 either.


User currently offlineEdelag From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5786 times:

Thanks for the info.


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User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5762 times:

I could see an A300 being used on a SJU-DFW run when the those 19 757's go away.


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5733 times:

The A300 has really always been and is currently the backbone and main aircraft for their vast Latin American operation. As mentioned the cargo space and the seating for 267 is a good capacity for such routes especially from cities like Chicago, New York, and Miami where many natives from the Latin American countries make up a majority of the passengers on most flights.

The 757-200 is better suited for flights to Latin America from cities like Philadelphia and Dallas where the demand is not as high.

As far as I know the A300 has never really operated domestic flights between US cities.

[Edited 2007-02-22 04:07:41]


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User currently offlineDBCooper From Brazil, joined Jun 2004, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

The A300 operates in domestic service on flights from MIA to the North.

For a time the A-300 operated to LAX (to/from MIA) and LAS (to/from ORD).

It has been seen at DFW, but only due to MIA-LAX diversions due to medical emergencies or in-flight mechanical issues. It has never been scheduled to operate there.

At one time, when AA was short of transatlantic equipment, the A-300 could also be seen on LHR-BOS/JFK and CDG-BOS. The a/c was configured in 3-classes for this service.

I have flown on AA's A-300s several times over the years, including LHR-BOS, JFK-MIA, MIA-SJU, SJU-STT, STT-STX-MIA and ORD-MIA. I do not like flying on it due to it's generally run-down interiors and poor maintenance reliability. After my last flight on it, part of a YUL-JFK-MIA-GIG trip, I decided to avoid it at all costs in the future.


- DBC


User currently offlineAdh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5658 times:

Each aircraft in the fleet requires hundreds of spare parts to be kept in inventory. To minimize this inventory it is best to limit the number of aircraft types that visit any given airport. For example, I don't think the MD 80 visits Miami and that is also a large AA hub. ( I could be wrong and I am sure someone will correct me if I am)

I over heard (sorry no source) that when AA stopped sending the A300 to LAX they eliminated over a million dollars of spare A300 parts from their parts inventory at LAX.

Andrew


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5601 times:

Quote:
Each aircraft in the fleet requires hundreds of spare parts to be kept in inventory. To minimize this inventory it is best to limit the number of aircraft types that visit any given airport. For example, I don't think the MD 80 visits Miami and that is also a large AA hub. ( I could be wrong and I am sure someone will correct me if I am)

You are correct - AA has isolated most types to certain hubs. It works for them as they have McDonnell Douglas, Boeing, and Airbus types in their fleet. Less cross-over, less need for spare parts.

As for the A300, it was ordered specifically for Caribbean and Latin American services because of its cargo hold. Someone will need to help me out with the specific pallet type, but the A300 can carry two of these side-by-side in the hold. The 767 is a few inches too narrow to do this.

The amount of cargo being carried to the Caribbean and several points in Latin America is voluminous - and the A300 can handle it all. And if I remember correctly, the 787 is wide enough to hold the two side-by-side pallets - I would assume that Boeing made sure that was one of the first things it designed the 787 for.



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5593 times:

Quoting DBCooper (Reply 7):
The A300 operates in domestic service on flights from MIA to the North.

I'm actually flying MIA-JFK in March on an A300, can't believe I forgot about that as a domestic service!



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5581 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 9):
Someone will need to help me out with the specific pallet type, but the A300 can carry two of these side-by-side in the hold. The 767 is a few inches too narrow to do this.

corret, the pallets are loaded to the lenght in the 767 and on the Airbusses on the wide... Only the LD-2 container can be loaded side by side in the 767



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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5576 times:

Hopefully some time soon we'll be seeing a 787-3 or 787-8 order to replace these 34 oddballs.


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User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5509 times:
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Like said above, AA separates its fleet by hub in order to make maintenance easier. For example, no MD-80 service into MIA despite having 300 of them. All A300 flights are through JFK, SJU, or MIA.

User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5502 times:

How many A300s are in the AA fleet and how many Latin American destinations do they use them on?

User currently offlineN276AASTT From US Virgin Islands, joined Jan 2004, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

I'm AA ramper at DFW. With respect to the SJU runs with the 757, they normally go out packed to the rim with passengers n baggage (I try to avoid 'em). But very little by way of cargo. I think that if the cargo volume from the DFW area was big enough to warrant an A300, they'd send one or two a day. But as of now, the big cargo shipments are handled through MIA. I have worked @ DFW for 10 years and I have only "heard" of one instance where an A300 made a stop @ DFW. I don't remember the circumstances though.


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User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 572 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

I recall flying on an AA A300 back in the early 90s from LAX to DFW. I do not know if it was a regularly scheduled service, or a sub.

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User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5341 times:

AA sends no A300s west of the East Coast. No MD80s to JFK or MIA. No 738s to ORD. So I bet you're wondering what they fly between MIA and ORD, if you cannot include MD80s or 738s? 757s.

I also remember way back when there were some "white" A300s occasionally seen at DFW right after they were first delivered. Maybe for a short time they flew out of DFW, but I don't know for sure.

762s are not scheduled to fly to DFW, but they are somewhat frequent visitors when 763s break down in LAX. I saw one here at DFW not that long ago. As I matter of fact, I flew on a 762 a year ago LAX-DFW. It was a fiasco at the gate getting the seats all redone, and they used the biz-class section as first class, so there were some people grumbling that some ended up with a "better" first class seat than some others.


User currently offlineCactus742 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 9):
As for the A300, it was ordered specifically for Caribbean and Latin American services because of its cargo hold.

Didn't American get their A300s from Eastern?



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5147 times:

Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 18):

Didn't American get their A300s from Eastern?

No EA never operated the A300-605R. AA ordered a new batch from Airbus directly.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4966 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 14):
How many A300s are in the AA fleet and how many Latin American destinations do they use them on?

There are 34 A300s in AA's fleet.
They are used in GUA, MGA, SJO, BOG, LIM, SDQ, STI, PAP, SJU, GYE, CCS



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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Quoting DFW13L (Reply 17):
AA sends no A300s west of the East Coast. No MD80s to JFK or MIA. No 738s to ORD. So I bet you're wondering what they fly between MIA and ORD, if you cannot include MD80s or 738s? 757s.

Yep. The 757 is one of them that is seen at every single hub in the system (including STL).



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7760 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

Not that DFW is missing anything. I hate flying the A300's.


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User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1682 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4823 times:
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I recently flew from MCO-MIA and back in A300 aircraft, and I liked them very much. The interiors seemed new and fresh, except for the old bulkhead treatments. The seats had the new seat covers and were very comfortable. They were spotlessly clean. And I was surprised that on such a short sector, the flights were packed in both directions.

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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

Quoting L1011 (Reply 23):
I recently flew from MCO-MIA and back in A300 aircraft, and I liked them very much. The interiors seemed new and fresh, except for the old bulkhead treatments. The seats had the new seat covers and were very comfortable. They were spotlessly clean. And I was surprised that on such a short sector, the flights were packed in both directions.

Must have flown on a recently refurbished aircraft.



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25 Post contains images HPAEAA : Correct.... i.e... DFW doesn't see the A300, ORD doesn't see the 738, a300, JFK doesn't see the md80 738, LGA doesn't see the 767, 777, a300, BOS doe
26 CodyKDiamond : I do remember seeing AA 762s and A300s at DFW within the last year. They were scheduled departures and not emergencies.
27 MAH4546 : MIA doesn't see the S80, that's it. They see both 767s, -300s and -200s.
28 Drerx7 : definately didn't see the A300 at DFW. They have never been scheduled to DFW--and definately not within the last year. If you saw an AA762 then it wa
29 MCOflyer : ORD used to see or still sees 738's. MCOflyer
30 MDorBust : If you are seeing regular 762s at DFW they are probably coming out of mx at AFW. Every 767 I've seen leave AFW has made a short hop over to DFW.
31 VC10DC10 : When did AA cease serving MIA with the MD-80??? I flew MSP-MIA and MIA-MSP in 2004 on MD-80s in 2004.
32 JDAirCEO : Each AA airport has specific aircraft that fly through there with some aircraft being region specific or concentrated to a specific airport. While AA
33 Commavia : ORD hasn't seen 737s since, if I remember correctly, mid-2004. At that time, ORD was consolidated on all MD80/757 for shorthaul and domestic, while M
34 N1120A : LAX-JFK is one. Also, AA's SJU ops are definately US domestic. Didn't they also pull the 738s out of BOS?
35 MAH4546 : Actually, American Airlines does not fly from Chicago anywhere in Latin America, outside of Mexico.
36 Boeing767mech : We say a A300 in Boston a couple of months ago taking the place of a 757 trip, We all ran out and started doing a voodoo dance to make sure it left(ju
37 PSU.DTW.SCE : You may have caught an A300 in DFW, since the A300's go to TUL for heavy maintenance, and it could have possibly been a diversion from TUL due to weat
38 NW727251ADV : Incorrect! Eastern operated early build A300B2-200s I believe (I may be wrong on the variant). Continental acquired most (if not all) of Eastern's A3
39 AAR90 : Why? = $$$$$$$$$$$ "Used to" is correct. Yep, Jan'06 was last month. The Simplification Plan pulled 738s from ORD and SFO crew bases, MD80s from MIA,
40 Jfk777 : The first 25 A300-600R were ordered as "walk-away" leases the first 10 years of the lease back in 1988. There original intended purpose was the Caribe
41 EXAAUADL : Correct if I am wrong, but isnt there no 738 service in ORD?
42 ElmoTheHobo : American currently operates A300s on Miami-New York JFK and Miami-Orlando, until a few years ago they also served Miami-Newark and Miami-Boston, as w
43 PSU.DTW.SCE : Originally the 738's were deployed in 1999 out of ORD to primarily operate routes to the West Coast and as a competitive response to United. They then
44 KevinSmith : The one and only time I got on one was from ORD to Miami. The a/c I flew on had just arrived from Milan. This was years back mind you.
45 VEEREF : Been on plenty of MD-80's into MIA.
46 AAR90 : Stopped in 2005. Operative word is "been".... as in past tense. MD80s do NOT visit MIA anymore.
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