Dougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 390 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2500 times:
Great news for Embraer seems these babies are breaking ground all around the world, CRJ1000 didn't even tempt JAL. and I would think it would have been offered. !!!!!!!!!!! Way to go Embraer !!!!!!!!!!!
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2876 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2354 times:
While good for Embraer, business case (at least from a commonality perspective) for JL makes no sense since Bombardier just launched the CRJ1000 which would allow JL to have the 50-100 seat segment with Bombardier products. JL whines about costs of having a varied fleet. Oh well.. Stupid bureaucrats/management.
At least for spotter, it won't be boring.
NWAatNGO From Japan, joined May 2004, 48 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2272 times:
There was an article on Japantoday.com about this and they mentioned that,
"The 78-seat Embraer 170, priced at 3.5 billion yen, features excellent performance and can serve airports with flight restrictions in mountainous areas including Matsumoto in Nagano Prefecture, JAL said. J-Air, which operates small aircraft based in Nagoya, will take delivery of all 10 new jets within the next two years."
so I sure hope we will see them at Komaki. I live right under the flight path for Komaki and miss seeing all the various metal that used to fly in there before Chubu opened. So it will be nice to see something other than the CRJ flying overhead, well at least in a couple of years it will be nice.
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4125 posts, RR: 51 Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2040 times:
Quoting Carpethead (Reply 5): JL whines about costs of having a varied fleet. Oh well.. Stupid bureaucrats/management.
yeah, stupid move by JAL (again)! The CRJ-1000 programm would have been probably the better choice for JAL. That would save them a lot in maintenance costs, reduce costs for staff training/flight crew etc. It's much more better for JL to stick to a similar a/c fleet for J-Air product. And I imagine that Bombardier was willing to offer a great price for a JL order for the CRJ-1000. Such an order will stimulate the CRJ-1000 programm a lot for sure.
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11874 posts, RR: 100 Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2017 times:
Good news for Embraer!
Unless JAL is planning to buy significantly more E-jets... this decision from a business case confuses me. Note, I'm a HUGE fan of the E-jets. But... I do believe in fleet commonality. I'd be curious why the CRJ-1000 was rejected.
However, since this is for E170's, the CRJ900 is the appropriate competition. Almost the same capacity... almost the same engines too. I wonder if the E170's short field performance won the order?
Now... with JAL laying the groundwork, I wonder if ANA will buy any E-jets? Quite bluntly, when I look at flights from the US to mid or small cities in Japan, the connections... suck. A small fleet of E-jets and NGO would certainly open up the connections. Perhaps when NRT gets the 3rd runway some slots will be available there for connections?
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11874 posts, RR: 100 Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1913 times:
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 14): Also we may see these flying overseas, because by 2010 JAL's subsidiaries will account for 37% of international flights over the current 24%.
This makes me wonder, were the E170's picked over the E175 due to range, shortfield performance, or both? For if JAL plans to use these internationally (which they should)... Its not enough airframes for a significant expansion. Is it testing the waters? (Silly, buy big and put in strong contract language.) A bargaining tool with Boeing? (For 737NG's?) There is something going on here I missing...
Political goodwill to get more Brazilian Ethanol (secure energy for Japan)?
I'm going to have to admit, while trying to connect the dots on this order, something is missing...