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JAL Buys 10 E70 For Its J-Air Subsidiary  
User currently offlinePRGLY From Czech Republic, joined Dec 2004, 494 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

http://airliners.net/1.st/189612407
Well done, first ever EMB jets in Japan.
Cheers and good luck


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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5078 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

Wow!!! First ever Embraer jet for JAL!!!!


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2856 times:
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Congrats for JAL and Embraer!

Nice deal, with 5 more options. I imagine the E70 will be pretty nice on JAL/J Air colours!

Felipe

[Edited 2007-02-22 16:26:33]


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8875 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Nice!! Great to see E-jets flying for JAL!

Cheers!  Smile



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User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Great news for Embraer seems these babies are breaking ground all around the world, CRJ1000 didn't even tempt JAL. and I would think it would have been offered. !!!!!!!!!!! Way to go Embraer !!!!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

While good for Embraer, business case (at least from a commonality perspective) for JL makes no sense since Bombardier just launched the CRJ1000 which would allow JL to have the 50-100 seat segment with Bombardier products. JL whines about costs of having a varied fleet. Oh well.. Stupid bureaucrats/management.
At least for spotter, it won't be boring.


User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Very cool! Congrats to Embraer for breaking into the Japanese market.

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

I wonder where they will employ these aircraft. Could I be seeing them at NKM?


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User currently offlineNWAatNGO From Japan, joined May 2004, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

There was an article on Japantoday.com about this and they mentioned that,

"The 78-seat Embraer 170, priced at 3.5 billion yen, features excellent performance and can serve airports with flight restrictions in mountainous areas including Matsumoto in Nagano Prefecture, JAL said. J-Air, which operates small aircraft based in Nagoya, will take delivery of all 10 new jets within the next two years."

so I sure hope we will see them at Komaki. I live right under the flight path for Komaki and miss seeing all the various metal that used to fly in there before Chubu opened. So it will be nice to see something other than the CRJ flying overhead, well at least in a couple of years it will be nice.

NWAatNGO


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2498 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
Could I be seeing them at NKM?

Nope. NKM, as currently by-laws are, is limited to commercial aircraft with 56 seats for less.
Though, military charters are obviously excempt.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Congratulations for JAL, and yet another major achievement by EMBRAER!

Rgs,


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Cant wait to see them in the JAL livery, Big grin

User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 5):
JL whines about costs of having a varied fleet. Oh well.. Stupid bureaucrats/management.

yeah, stupid move by JAL (again)! The CRJ-1000 programm would have been probably the better choice for JAL. That would save them a lot in maintenance costs, reduce costs for staff training/flight crew etc. It's much more better for JL to stick to a similar a/c fleet for J-Air product. And I imagine that Bombardier was willing to offer a great price for a JL order for the CRJ-1000. Such an order will stimulate the CRJ-1000 programm a lot for sure.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12418 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2283 times:
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Good news for Embraer!  bigthumbsup 

Unless JAL is planning to buy significantly more E-jets... this decision from a business case confuses me. Note, I'm a HUGE fan of the E-jets. But... I do believe in fleet commonality. I'd be curious why the CRJ-1000 was rejected.

However, since this is for E170's, the CRJ900 is the appropriate competition. Almost the same capacity... almost the same engines too. I wonder if the E170's short field performance won the order?

Now... with JAL laying the groundwork, I wonder if ANA will buy any E-jets? Quite bluntly, when I look at flights from the US to mid or small cities in Japan, the connections... suck. A small fleet of E-jets and NGO would certainly open up the connections. Perhaps when NRT gets the 3rd runway some slots will be available there for connections?

Either way, its good news for Embraer!

Got popcorn?
Lightsaber



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

Good news for JAL and Japan. These economical jets can be used to service cities that normally couldn't support mainline jets, but the 78 seat E-170 is a good fit.

Also we may see these flying overseas, because by 2010 JAL's subsidiaries will account for 37% of international flights over the current 24%.  stirthepot 


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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12418 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2179 times:
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Quoting MD90fan (Reply 14):
Also we may see these flying overseas, because by 2010 JAL's subsidiaries will account for 37% of international flights over the current 24%.

Interesting factoid...
This makes me wonder, were the E170's picked over the E175 due to range, shortfield performance, or both? For if JAL plans to use these internationally (which they should)... Its not enough airframes for a significant expansion. Is it testing the waters? (Silly, buy big and put in strong contract language.) A bargaining tool with Boeing? (For 737NG's?) There is something going on here I missing...

Political goodwill to get more Brazilian Ethanol (secure energy for Japan)?

I'm going to have to admit, while trying to connect the dots on this order, something is missing...  scratchchin 

Got popcorn?
Lightsaber



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 14):
Good news for JAL and Japan. These economical jets can be used to service cities that normally couldn't support mainline jets, but the 78 seat E-170 is a good fit.

We could expect further orders in the coming years. I also think that JAL made the right decision.

Rgs,


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