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AA Launches NYC Growth Initiative  
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5985 times:

Sounds like a last-ditch response to Delta's growth to me.

Some news:

. AA boosting marketing/advertising budget in New York metro area
. Eagle to launch service from September 5 from LaGuardia to Louisville
. AA to boost JFK-San Francisco to 6x daily service
. AA to boost frequency from JFK to Port-au-Prince and Caracas
. Also September 5, AA will launch a daily JFK-Vegas flight (about time for NY AAdvantage members)

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070222/dath027.html?.v=88

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User currently offlineAirlineFanatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5918 times:

Sounds a bit like catch-up and PR spin to me. I opened the link earlier thinking there was some major announcements but alas, nothing much than what other major airlines in the area already serve or will serve shortly.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2940 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5918 times:

Well good for AA for doing something. A 6th SFO-JFK seems more like a shot across the bow at Virgin America. I wonder were they will dig up the 767 for that flight. Does anybody know the times?

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5909 times:

Quoting Commavia (Thread starter):
Sounds like a last-ditch response to Delta's growth to me.

Sounds more like AA taking advantage of B6's recent bad press to try and win back some former customers, DL is not #1 at JFK it's B6. AA is most likely being opportunistic.



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User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5819 times:

now that their shiny new terminal is almost complete, maybe they would like to put some of their planes in it, instead of every alliance partners.

User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5789 times:
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Will they be pulling any stored MD-80's out of Roswell to cover these new flights?

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5690 times:

Yeah, at first when I saw the news release I expected some major new announcment.

This is more or less a summary of past announcements and rolling out a new initiative that packages up a bunch of other improvements.

No large-scale increase in service, and almost all of the new routes/frequencies we knew about on here.

AA just trying to generate some PR, and pick up on some of the media hype surrounding the NYC situation.

When you look at everything together, it sounds fairly impressive, much better than all the single news releases that come out at a trickle.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2255 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5678 times:

Quoting Commavia (Thread starter):
Eagle to launch service from September 5 from LaGuardia to Louisville

It's nice to see AA resuming another route out of LGA. AA flew LGA-SDF until 1981; SDF, CVG, CLE, DCA, and BOS were all dropped when AA reduced flights at LGA in 1980-82 to free up aircraft for their DFW hub, and now all have come back!



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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5668 times:

I wonder what the planned "boost" in service to CCS is?

This will cannibalize a bit of the MIA CCS traffic.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5636 times:
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They are facing strong competition on their flag ship service to LHR. EOS, MaxJet and others Full Business providers are fighting for a profitable market, and increasing competition from DL and foreign airlines (during sometime AA flies to GRU almost alone from JFK, only against JAL, now for example they compete against 2x daily JJ and 1x daily DL services) for sure are driven Y, C and F prices down (or at least loads).

Increasing advertisement, including banners on 2nd Ave and more pages on WSJ is an attempt to recover part of the lost space.

Why not looking for other markets like Rio de Janeiro ?

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4956 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5612 times:
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Interesting comparison stats from the following article:

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/news...nalysis/businessnews/10340178.html

JFK Departures:

B6 has 173 daily flights to 46 destinations
DL has 179 daily flights to 75 destinations (34 international)
AA has 89 daily flights to 36 destinations (25 international)

LGA:

AA has 129 daily flights to 30 destinations
DL has 122 daily flights to 33 destinations

EWR:

CO has 442 daily flights to 158 destinations (77 international)


User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5601 times:

About time AA started up Vegas. It always bothered me to have to connect to get my award seat.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5505 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 10):
JFK Departures:

B6 has 173 daily flights to 46 destinations
DL has 179 daily flights to 75 destinations (34 international)
AA has 89 daily flights to 36 destinations (25 international)

Wow, didn't know AA actually had such a low number of flights, no wonder they scaled down their new terminal. Also, didn't know that DL has actually passed B6 as far as daily flights go, though admittedly many of them on RJs and props.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5402 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 10):
JFK Departures:

B6 has 173 daily flights to 46 destinations
DL has 179 daily flights to 75 destinations (34 international)
AA has 89 daily flights to 36 destinations (25 international)

DL has more flights and destinations, but less pax than AA..

Quoting Panamair (Reply 10):
LGA:

AA has 129 daily flights to 30 destinations
DL has 122 daily flights to 33 destinations

AA carried more pax than DL here also...



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5357 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
Sounds more like AA taking advantage of B6's recent bad press to try and win back some former customers

Dunno, I would imagine that AA made these decisions well before B6's recent problems.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

Quoting PROSA (Reply 14):

Dunno, I would imagine that AA made these decisions well before B6's recent problems.

The additional flights, yes. They have been decided on for a while. And the additional frequencies to Haiti and Caracas are seasonal and happen every year. However, the PR was probably created in the past few days by AA's PR people to take advantage of the jetBlue situation.



a.
User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

It was a major mistake of DL to drop a lot of JFK service a while back. I think if you plan to be a major player in the airline world, you need strong service to the top 20 markets or you lose..


One Nation Under God
User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1142 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5226 times:

AA announced to its employees a few weeks ago there was something in the works to improve their NYC presence. That came out way before the B6 mess...they are no related. On a disappointing note...AA's announcement sounds like just a lot of noise since nothing unusual or exciting was announced. Wonder why having some of the best and more modern facilities in JFK their international network out of NYC is so limited (number of destinations). They have a nice widebody fleet but perhaps it is lack of spare jets. I guess the 757 Long-Range operations out of JFK was just a rumor...I think that was abandoned...too bad!  Sad

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

Quoting PROSA (Reply 14):
Dunno, I would imagine that AA made these decisions well before B6's recent problems.

Sounds like spin to take advantage of a competitors stumble, even if it's nothing new the way they are spinning it is meant to draw attention to their NYC presence.



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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1534 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
The additional flights, yes. They have been decided on for a while. And the additional frequencies to Haiti and Caracas are seasonal and happen every year. However, the PR was probably created in the past few days by AA's PR people to take advantage of the jetBlue situation.

"effective April 10, American Eagle will add new service from LaGuardia Airport to Cincinnati. American Airlines will add one mainline jet flight to complement existing American Eagle service from LaGuardia to Raleigh/Durham"

That's also at least the third time I've seen this same RDU "announcement" in an AA press release too...



Sometimes we don't realize the good times when we're in them
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 4):
now that their shiny new terminal is almost complete, maybe they would like to put some of their planes in it, instead of every alliance partners.

On the contrary, other than Finnair, it seems like the alliance partners are still at terminal 7. Why don't Qantas, BA, Iberia, and Cathay move over into American's new terminal? Looks like they have enough room.



FLYi
User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

Interesting that most on this post do not think much of AA and their plan to compete.... I think that AA has the ability to make this very interesting to DL/B6.... since they are going to have a new facility in JFK..... and are adding flights to ATL/RDU with AA mainline...and additional international flying....plus the "expect more announcements this summer".... line I find very interesting..... I bet DL's management team are not too happy and are not disregarding this latest news... to say nothing about DL's creditors....DL/AA have a long competitive history and this should be interesting


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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4826 times:

Well, with this pathetic, half-complete terminal, AA will get no where.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b154/Kaitak744/IMG_0597.jpg

After T9 is finished, they should have the clear advantage over DL. AA's in flight service is generally better, and their terminal services will now be up to world class levels. As for B6, maybe B6 is able to capture the domestic O&D market at JFK. But the Europe, Asia, and Latin America networks of both AA and DL bring enough connecting traffic to keep their domestic operations strong. Thats something B6 can't compete with.


User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 611 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

I thought after T8 is torn down, there will be a phase 3 of the terminal that will add to the B concourse where T8 currently is.

Has that been scrapped?

AA787



ET In NYC
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

Going after Jetblue:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...us.ART.State.Edition1.1399cdf.html



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
25 Eagle11 : Now is the perfect time for AA to try to expand at JFK. They're able to take advantage of B6's struggles and bad press and build some momentum as they
26 Commavia : From what I hear, AA is about the worst ground handling vendor, at least at JFK. Apparently, management has cut back so much on staffing, that AA is
27 ABQ747 : Maybe AA should fly JFK-ABQ, since B6 seems unwilling to do so. I think TW used to fly that route a long time ago. Right now we only have EWR service
28 EnviroTO : When terminal 8 is closed they should really try and create more of a hub at JFK. Right now most connections through NYC would require landing at one
29 N62NA : Headline of the press release: "New Flights, Enhanced Services Give New York-Area Travelers More Choices and Greater Convenience" Well, not a single n
30 Post contains images Galapagapop : How on Earth did they win that, with B6, DL, and UA still serving JFK ? JFK has to have THE slowest baggage handlers domestically except maybe PHL (a
31 CODC10 : EWR is a market that Continental has completely sewn up over the past 5-7 years while other carriers like AA, UA, and US have pulled down once-signif
32 ContinentalEWR : American has done this before. They always add flights quickly, make it look like they are attempting a major commitment, and then pull back. American
33 HPAEAA : CVG might be a restarted market.... but it's not added freq....
34 BigGSFO : Maybe I am misreading your comment, but did you say that JFK "isn't really a hub" for DL? If so, you are mistaken. JFK is indeed a hub for DL for the
35 SANFan : Perhaps SAN will be upgraded even a bit more during this JFK growth. SAN has been continuously connected with Kennedy by AA since the late 1960s (with
36 Commavia : In terms of capacity, the Saturday 767-200 schedule is actually a downgrade. AA's 767-200s seat 165 in a 3-class configuration (sold as a two-class F
37 AA 777 : I had heard about this coming in the past week. Don't forget that the PR said that they will also announce additional new service in the coming months
38 Tommy767 : Yeah I'll bet AA will ignore EWR on this one and just make it seem like they're actually trying. Hopefully at some point soon they will bring back EW
39 Mikesairways : Any chance SJC will come back on the map?
40 SANFan : Technically, yes, the '67 is ~20 fewer seats but I still tend to think of it as more desirable (2 aisles, 2-3-2 seating, etc.) -- I would certainly r
41 NikonDFW : AA will also add new nonstop EWR -SAN and EWR-SEA flights..
42 Flyboy7974 : slowly and slowly I am loving every little bit that every single airline takes out of AA. AA responding only to JetBlue's entry into the ORD market no
43 BigGSFO : Is this rumor, fact or wishful thinking? I don't see EWR expanding beyond what AA already offers (DFW, ORD, MIA, LAX, SJU, etc). I would love to see
44 Post contains images PanAm330 : Good to see/hear. I can't wait to see what new additions AA has in store for the New York market. Any chance of seeing JFK-MCO again? Probably not, bu
45 A330323X : They're going to have to be upgrading equipment sizes out of LGA due to the new rules on aircraft size that are about to be put into place. Those rul
46 Post contains images N62NA : Yeah, right! I think we would see AA go EWR-LHR before we would ever see SAN or SEA from EWR on AA.
47 Post contains images SANFan : Yeah right! (Will that be right before or right after they add the MIA-SAN and MIA-SEA flights? ) bb
48 ElmoTheHobo : Those number don't include American Eagle for the AA stats, but include Delta Connection for DL's total. Those numbers need to be revised. Flying rou
49 Panamair : Actually, when the article took the numbers, they did include AA mainline and Eagle. I just went through the current AA PDF online timetable and coun
50 SESGDL : No, as Panamair stated, those do include AA and AA Eagle at JFK. Jeremy
51 Post contains images Tommy767 : WHATTTTTTTTTTT??????????????
52 Avianca : why ?? I really hope that the flight goes daily.... there is the market, AA often offers lower-yield passengers to the west-coast, mid-west, east-coa
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