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BRU-EWR With A B777  
User currently offlineSjoerd From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 361 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Continental will upgrade it's BRU-EWR flight from B764 to a B772. This is special because it will be the only B777 to come to Brussels. It will also be the largest pax aircraft to BRU. In fact it's sad that BRU has so few long distance flights on relatively small planes, although things are improving.

They are selling tickets now for two to EWR for 777 euro.

Sjoerd


Flanders + Wallonnia + Brussels = the UNITED STATES of BELGIUM
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User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5017 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Quoting Sjoerd (Thread starter):
This is special because it will be the only B777 to come to Brussels. It will also be the largest pax aircraft to BRU.

Not for long though, if rumours are true. 9W is rumoured to bring the 77W to BRU for the BOM - BRU - EWR flight starting in August.


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Given its proximity to AMS, CDG and FRA, it's no surprise that BRU doesn't see as much long haul service. Let's also keep in mind that when compared to the other European hubs, Brussels is a smaller city, does it even cap 2 mil?

Great news for BRU however! CO's 777s are fantastic to fly on, and I'm sure that this flight will make good cash for Continental.


User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5017 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

Quoting Cba (Reply 2):
Let's also keep in mind that when compared to the other European hubs, Brussels is a smaller city, does it even cap 2 mil?

The city of Amsterdam is quite a bit smaller than Brussels. Brussels has about 1 million people, but the airport serves as the main airport for all of Belgium, which is over 10 million people, just like AMS serves all of the Netherlands. The main reason for the lack of long-haul flights is that there is no strong home-player anymore at BRU, since Sabena folded. There were quite a few more lh flights and destinations when they were still around.


User currently offlineSkyzheimers From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Many more US and International companies have their European headquarters in BRU rather than AMS which means good premium traffic... wonder if AA will ever upgrade to a B772 on their Brussels routes?

User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):
The main reason for the lack of long-haul flights is that there is no strong home-player anymore at BRU, since Sabena folded.

It was a shame to see Sabena go. There must still be a large market though if CO can put a 777 on that route. I don't think that they've had an aircraft that big to BRU since they used to fly DC-10's to Europe!


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

I think Dl could make a killing there if they used a 777 there.


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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2885 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 1):
ot for long though, if rumours are true. 9W is rumoured to bring the 77W to BRU for the BOM - BRU - EWR flight starting in August.

Also apparently they said they would start DEL-BRU-YYZ [i think shifted fromDEL- DUS-YYZ] in october, around the same time EY stops the BRU-YYZ, maybe like AI did at FRA they may open a scissors hub at BRU.

Karan


User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5017 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 7):
Also apparently they said they would start DEL-BRU-YYZ [i think shifted fromDEL- DUS-YYZ] in october, around the same time EY stops the BRU-YYZ, maybe like AI did at FRA they may open a scissors hub at BRU.

Yes I heard about that too, though for now I'm filing that one under the 'I'll believe it when I see it' heading  Wink


User currently offlineSjoerd From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

Hopefully at some point SN can team up with BA. The way AF and KL have. BRU could be the hub for all African flights then.


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User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

I thought CO was trying to save it's 777 flights for longhauls the 757 and 767s can't handle, aside from major destinations like LGW, etc. Why aren't they using 2 757s? OR a 762 and a 757? Is there really that much demand to Brussles? I think it's great, but I'm surprised

User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

The 777 has over 40-50 seats in J, while the 757 and 767 fleets have 20-30. The route to Brussels must be going out every night sold out in J, hence CO is sticking the 777 on the flight. There is also a lot less competition on the route, so CO can get a good yield on it.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

Quoting Willyj (Reply 10):
I thought CO was trying to save it's 777 flights for longhauls the 757 and 767s can't handle

That is what a.net people say, not what CO is actually doing. Plan A was the new EWR-China route which would eat up 1.5 777s, and allow for filling out of some other long routes. But they didn't get the China route. So...

CO is grow existing routes into the EU instead and expand into a new city as well. They do this expansion with smaller planes, but you have to get the smaller planes from somewhere. When you start a new route where a 752 can't reach, you need a 762. Athens needs a 762. So you pull the 762 off of a longer range route that is doing really well (Italy, ZRH?), and replace it with the 764 on that route. Where does that 764 come from? Existing 764 routes that are doing well like BRU, but then you need to put a 777 there.

BRU wins here, as it is likely consistently filling the J section and has good cargo potential, and because EWR-BRU-EWR can do a turn with 1 aircraft, and CO is adding 2 new 777s this spring, so that's where one goes. (not to mention it helps keep these 2 new birds close to home during teething...)

From the schedule coming out, it looks like the second new bird is going to go to make some long range routes daily instead of almost daily, to upsize a 764 route (and "ripple" through to other routes) on busy days like Friday and Sunday, etc. (well, the new capacity is doing that, the new specific planes themselves might not fly the longest routes at first).

By doing this, it might end up freeing up a 757 when all is said and done, at least for 3-4 days a week, which along with some other scheduling changes domestically, could open 1 new EU route on a 6x weekly basis. But the question is, which new city?

That's been asked and asked in other threads. We'll see. I vote for Munich, Prague or Lyon, but CO seems to really be expanding into Scandinavia, so maybe Helsinki? And maybe only Lyon is close enough for the 752?



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Quoting Skyzheimers (Reply 4):
wonder if AA will ever upgrade to a B772 on their Brussels routes?

You are kidding aren't you?  boggled  AA flying a 777 to somewhere in Europe besides London or FRA. With both US/NW entering the market I would imagine that if will effect AA at least out of ORD to some degree.


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2586 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Obviously, the lost PVG route provided CO with 2 extra new delviery 772ER's this summer. One is going into BRU to offer more J seats and provide swap out capability at EWR with the 772ER fleet. As Ikraamerica states, the 772 allows upgrades to several rotues with that aircraft, 764 to GVA (more J seats), 762 to DUB, and a 752 for an extra frequency to somewhere like CDG or LGW. The 762 to DUB likely is to provide turn around time for the ATH aircraft, which arrives about an hour before the ATH departure.

CO does a great job of sizing aircraft for individual routes, Unfortunatley, they are forced to it based on few widebodies for expansion.
I haven't seen the routing for the second 772ER, but doubt it would be utilized as a floating spare or operate it a few days per week on select routes. It would make more sense to pick another route like BRU to upgrade for the Summer. It could be a 764 route with high J demand, or something like replacing two 752 frequencies (MAN) or picking a route with high Summer tourist demand (FCO). Some of these options would offer other routes with larger aircraft with a trickle down approach.

I'm looking forward to another EU city or two added this Summer with 752 or 762 equipment. But, as some have stated, the real asignment of the two 772ER's could be made this Fall and match up with a Fall pullback in EU frequencies. Could EWR Seoul, Taipai or Johanneburg be possible?

[Edited 2007-02-23 03:14:13]

User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
That's been asked and asked in other threads. We'll see. I vote for Munich, Prague or Lyon, but CO seems to really be expanding into Scandinavia, so maybe Helsinki? And maybe only Lyon is close enough for the 752?

I'm almost sure we'll hear NCE first


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