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Air New Zealand Announces Nonstop Service To Canada  
User currently offlineDrgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 688 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14690 times:

Fortunately there is a bilateral in place already so we don't have to wait for anybody to decide whether or not this is "good for Canada."

Air New Zealand Announces New Non-Stop Service Between Vancouver and Auckland

Beginning in November of this year, Air New Zealand will launch non-stop flights between Vancouver, Canada and Auckland, New Zealand. With the announcement of this new international route, Air New Zealand is making a significant step in its focus on strengthening its trans-Pacific network.

The service will initially operate between November 2, 2007 and March 28, 2008 to coincide with the peak travel season between the two destinations, allowing Canadians to escape the snow by enjoying outdoor adventures in New Zealand's warmest summer months and giving Kiwis an opportunity to head north and take advantage of some of the best ski slopes in the world.

"We are committed to creating at least one new long haul international destination each year and Vancouver proved an ideal strategic fit, due in part to Canada's thriving economy," said Roger Poulton, Air New Zealand Vice President - the Americas. "At any one time, we have more than 20 routes under consideration as part of our long-term strategy to grow the airline."

Last year, Air New Zealand became one of the select carriers to offer round-the-world flights with the announcement of its non-stop flights between London and Hong Kong completing the loop; and in 2005, the airline widened its west coast gateway with non-stops flights from San Francisco to Auckland.

"In 2006, Canadians set a new record with 46,000 travelers visiting New Zealand, which marks an increase of more than 10,000 visitors in just a little more than five years," said Bruce Lahood, Tourism New Zealand Vice President for North America. "But even more importantly, according to a survey focused on Canadian travelers in January of 2006, 99 percent returned home satisfied with their vacation to New Zealand and more than 95 percent would recommend the destination to their friends, family and colleagues."

Air New Zealand is going to help make that recommendation even more appealing with three non-stop flights each week between Vancouver and Auckland. The new route reduces travel time to a little over 14 hours, whereas previous itineraries from Vancouver to New Zealand totalled an average of around twenty hours. Now, passengers will be treated to a luxuriously direct flight aboard Air New Zealand's new fleet of Boeing 777-200ERs, which feature lie-flat beds, vast entertainment options and award-winning food and wine. Star Alliance partner Air Canada will also be code sharing on this service.

Flight schedules from Vancouver will leave on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays and are designed to meet the needs of both business and leisure passengers with an early evening departure time.

This new service will provide a convenient one-stop route for Canadians travelling to many Australian destinations and will minimize the requirement of transiting through the U.S.

Air New Zealand will operate the following schedule from Vancouver to Auckland, subject to timeslot, capacity and regulatory approvals:

Flight number Schedule

NZ83 Departs Vancouver 1830
Arrives Auckland 0600(a)

NZ84 Departs Auckland 1915
Arrives Vancouver 1200

(a) Note - The average length of the flight is around 14 hours,
however, due to time differences, arrival in New Zealand is two days
later than departure date.

Tickets are available beginning today with prices starting at CAD$1498 (excludes airport tax and fuel surcharges). For more information or to book online, please visit www.airnewzealand.com.

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7823 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14531 times:

It was only a matter of time. Im surprised it took them this long.


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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14535 times:

So, their 8 777-200ERs are going to be used on AKL-YVR and AKL-LAX-LHR. Anything else?

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7111 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14477 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
AKL-LAX-LHR

From what I heard, that will be reverting back to a 744 by that time

So the 744s will be (from what I hear) AKL-LAX-LHR return, AKL-HKG-LHR return, and AKL-LAX (I think)

The 777s will be AKL-PVG return, AKL-NRT return, AKL-YVR return, AKL-SFO return.

Someone clear this up for me, but I think thats how things will pan out

[Edited 2007-02-23 00:27:54]

User currently offlineCollin260 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14292 times:

I am very surprised to see that Air New Zealand is using a 777 for this route. This is odd due to the fact that most every trans-pacific flight is on 747. Wow


The approximate flight time today will be 6 hours in First Class and 12 hours in Economy.
User currently offlineAKLDELNonstop From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14260 times:

I notice here that they are going to fly 3x per week.

Would it not be wiser for them to fly daily and continue the flight to YYZ or ORD or JFK? Or will the cost of a stopover nullify the advantages of a second destination?


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 14243 times:

This sure is a surprise. I thought it was all talk and no action. Interesting to see AC code-share on the route,not that AC would have any real reservations. This news has me starting to think about the viability of AC planned YYZ-LAX-SYD service as it's starting to get a little crowded with the announcement of DJ entering the trans-Pacific market next year.

User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 14246 times:

Quoting Collin260 (Reply 4):
This is odd due to the fact that most every trans-pacific flight is on 747. Wow

NZ2 AKL-LAX-LHR - 777 (seasonally)
NZ6 AKL-LAX - 777 (seasonally)
NZ8 AKL-SFO - 777 (seasonally)
NZ21 NAN-LAX - 763
NZ28 PPT-LAX - 763



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User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 14153 times:

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 5):
I notice here that they are going to fly 3x per week.

I do not see it loaded onto their schedule.

Any new news on the HNL route? Do they plan on keeping that route still?


User currently offlineMultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14072 times:

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 6):
I thought it was all talk and no action. Interesting to see AC code-share on the route,not that AC would have any real reservations

I'm a bit puzzled by this comment? Why would you think AC would not be doing any codeshare bookings on this flight?

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 6):
This news has me starting to think about the viability of AC planned YYZ-LAX-SYD service as it's starting to get a little crowded with the announcement of DJ entering the trans-Pacific market next year.

Canadian tourism to Australia is growing too, so I suspect it will be able to hold its own. What will be interesting to see is if the YVR-HNL-SYD flight is dropped, in favour of routing all AC traffic through its growing base at LAX.


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3345 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14070 times:

Quoting Planetime (Reply 8):
Any new news on the HNL route? Do they plan on keeping that route still?

No announcement to drop it and the 763's aren't leaving the fleet any time soon, but the AKL-YVR route is non-stop not just direct. People still want to visit Hawai'i and Hawai'ians still want to visit New Zealand.

Quoting Collin260 (Reply 4):
This is odd due to the fact that most every trans-pacific flight is on 747.

Odd? AKL-SFO is with a 772ER and quite often the AKL-LAX and AKL-LAX-LHR routes are serviced with 772ER's. Why would they start a new route (with a minimum of 3 weekly flights; standard NZ policy) risking the extra capacity and thirst of a venerable, but aging 744?

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 5):
Would it not be wiser for them to fly daily and continue the flight to YYZ or ORD or JFK?

The wisdom that NZ seem to be working to is the demand for travel between YVR and AKL as well as the greater areas these airports service; they appear confident of filling the plane without an extra leg. In the press release, it mentions that inbound Canadian tourism has increased to over 46,000 travelers in '06 a new record and an increment of over 20% in five years. YYZ will be codeshared by alliance partner AC and JFK may well be served direct non-stop once the 787-9 starts in service. In the meantime, there are daily codeshare flights to all three ports from LAX and SFO with UA and CA. Until NZ can serve them direct, what's the advantage?

Regards and all my humble opinion.
MH

[Edited 2007-02-23 03:03:24]


come visit the south pacific
User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5360 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14006 times:

Excellent news!

So it seems that for a start it will be a seasonal route. The most surprising thing to me is that the flight will be non stop and not via NAN.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13986 times:

Quoting TG992 (Reply 7):
Quoting Collin260 (Reply 4):
This is odd due to the fact that most every trans-pacific flight is on 747. Wow

NZ2 AKL-LAX-LHR - 777 (seasonally)
NZ6 AKL-LAX - 777 (seasonally)
NZ8 AKL-SFO - 777 (seasonally)
NZ21 NAN-LAX - 763
NZ28 PPT-LAX - 763

And AC 763 YVR-HNL-SYD. And there are many trans-pacific flights across the North and Central Pacific to/from Japan, Korea and the rest of Asia on types other than the 747.


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13990 times:

Can the 777-200er make it without any payload restrictions? I guess it would but i thought it might have had some sort of restrictions on it.

But great news for NZ, great to see them expanding more.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13990 times:

AKL-YVR = 6121nm. Not a problem for the 777-200LR.

I wonder if this non-stop has to do with the hassles of transitting the United States.

I hope this route proves to be a success!!



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3345 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13986 times:

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 13):
Can the 777-200er make it without any payload restrictions? I guess it would but i thought it might have had some sort of restrictions on it.

Full complement of passengers but a small freight penalty.



come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineDon81603 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13990 times:

This is great news! In my opinion anything that removes the transit in LAX or SFO from The Great White North to the South Pacific is a major blessing. Transiting from AC in LAX was a pain, as was the whole CBP/HS hoop jumping. Should nicely drop the total transit time as well.


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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13986 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 3):
So the 744s will be (from what I hear) AKL-LAX-LHR return, AKL-HKG-LHR return, and AKL-LAX (I think)

The 777s will be AKL-PVG return, AKL-NRT return, AKL-YVR return, AKL-SFO return.

Can someone confirm this?


User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5360 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13993 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 17):
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 3):
So the 744s will be (from what I hear) AKL-LAX-LHR return, AKL-HKG-LHR return, and AKL-LAX (I think)

The 777s will be AKL-PVG return, AKL-NRT return, AKL-YVR return, AKL-SFO return.


Can someone confirm this?

Pretty much. The 744's have to operate somewhere. Either they are on NZ5/6 to LAX or 7/8 to SFO next Northern Winter plus NZ1/2 LAX-LHR and NZ38/39 HKG-LHR.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 14):
AKL-YVR = 6121nm. Not a problem for the 777-200LR.

These are 772ER's.


User currently offlineZKNZA From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13987 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 17):



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 17):
Can someone confirm this?

For Northern summer schedule
NZ 1/2 will be operated by 744 equipment from June.
NZ 5/6 will revert to 772ER.
NZ 7/8 772ER (occasionally 744)
All japan flights 772 (daily NRT,4x weekly KIX with two of those flights via NRT)
NZ37/38 744
NZ87/88 772ER
NZ3/4 744/772ER


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13986 times:

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 5):
Would it not be wiser for them to fly daily and continue the flight to YYZ or ORD or JFK? Or will the cost of a stopover nullify the advantages of a second destination?

No, NZ does not have enough spare capacity.

It is dissapointing to see that the route will only be seasonal and not year round. Why not have it year round and offer people better connections via Canada to New York?

I think this will be the longest route by Air NZ yet?


User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13989 times:

Quoting Drgmobile (Thread starter):
NZ84 Departs Auckland 1915
Arrives Vancouver 1200

Yay, more flights departing within the same 45minute time frame.


User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5360 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13987 times:

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 19):
NZ3/4 744/772ER

That flight is currently not listed to operate this winter, is it going to be?

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 20):
No, NZ does not have enough spare capacity.

Not really that, NZ could just very slightly rejig the schedules and extend the flight but as TG992 has said due to cost it is simply not viable.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 20):
It is dissapointing to see that the route will only be seasonal and not year round. Why not have it year round and offer people better connections via Canada to New York?

I guess it could yet be year round, however NZ will see how it goes for a start.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 20):
I think this will be the longest route by Air NZ yet?

Non stop yes, it is longer than LAX-SYD when they operated that route.


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5225 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13987 times:

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 19):
NZ 5/6 will revert to 772ER.

A small matter of syntax, NZ5/6 has never been a -200ER so it cannot revert. More correctly it will change to -200ER.
No offence meant, ZLNZA, trust none is taken !


User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13989 times:

It will be interesting to watch and see how this route goes over the winter as to whether it will stay on for the northern summer '08. I know others will disagree but Fyfe and his team are certainly creating exciting times for NZ watchers.

Can we start guessing for the new route to be launched in '08?  Smile

Also the financials are reported Tuesday, a possible fleet announcement then?


25 ZKNZA : No offence taken sunrise valley ,I was supposed to put "...will begin to be operated by 777 equipment." I guess the capacity is not needed now due to
26 Post contains images N1120A : The 777 is the next largest carrier of Pacific traffic. or -200ER Kiwis and Canadians don't have hassles transitting the US, so I don't think that wo
27 777ER : When does that start?
28 Pilotdude09 : Well ive read that they couldnt do SYD-LAX without restrictions and i assume that Auckland to Canada would be a bit further than SYD-LAX. Im pretty s
29 ChrisA330 : SYD-LAX is 6507nm AKL-YVR is 6121nm
30 N1120A : Not 656,000 pound ones. The United 772ERs are only rated to 648,000 Much Closer If that.
31 Planemanofnz : Well airnz.co.nz says it's going to be 13hrs and 45mins AKL-YVR and 14hrs and 30mins YVR-AKL - that is pretty long for NZ. Must be the longest non st
32 NZ1 : It's almost finished. Started a while ago now. NZ1
33 777ER : So what will the total Y+ seating be now?
34 CrazyHorse : Great news for NZ, New Zealand and also Canada. The route is only seasonal and 3 times per week? Is this correct? Is their no demand for daily flight
35 N1120A : Remember, this is how it all started with NZ's AKL-SFO service. If it is successful, they will upgrade in due time. This route is, however, tailor ma
36 Planemanofnz : I know! It's ridiculous that the route will only be operated for 4 and a bit months! Will it re-open in November 2008 aswell or not? I think NZ is mi
37 SQ452 : Even if they'd like to, they probably don't have enough aircraft to do daily given their fleet is pretty stretched (especially the 777). By going 3x
38 CrazyHorse : I am not a expert, but I think this route could work year around easily. From Auckland NZ offers many routes to Australia, to Islands in the Pacific
39 AKLDELNonstop : Thanks for the replies guys. On the topic of NZ not having spare aircraft. I'd like to ask whether all their 744s are currently being used? Because I
40 ZK-NBT : They do, there were 5 yes 5 on the ground at AKL today and Wednesday during the early evening. They will be back on NZ1/2 from June though which will
41 AKLDELNonstop : Using a 744 to BNE or MEL terminator flights is just inefficiency IMO. They could definitely start atleast one long haul with their current capacity
42 Cchan : The 744 is not a fuel efficient aircraft. Unless there is a route which can see them constantly filled, it may be more economical to let them sit on
43 ZKOKA : You could possibly be right regarding the fleet announcement, I spoke with Ed Sims today at the launch, he mentioned they have signed off the 4 extra
44 ZK-NBT : Most long haul flights get in the morning and leave in the evening, the BNE and MEL flights are now or will be extensions of the LAX/SFO flights somw
45 AKLDELNonstop : I am not referring to the MEL-AKL-LAX flight, which if I am not mistaken is by a 772. I am referring to AKL-australia-AKL flights on 744s not the one
46 Kiwiandrew : PER ??? haven't they been flying to PER for something like 20 years ? with regard to the other two destinations remember that they have said one new
47 Jfk777 : Going to Vancouver nonstop is great for the Canadian market so often offered only one-stop service over LAX or Honolulu. I thought this was beyond the
48 Viscount724 : The seaonal service (and QF's similar sesonal extension from SFO) is a good indication of the extreme seasonality of Canada-South Pacific routes whic
49 Manu : I'd go through YVR any day over LAX. I did the YYZ-LAX-AKL route just in November and would have loved to not deal with the US immigration/customs fu
50 Pilotdude09 : Well i would never have thought that AKL-YVR was closer than SYD-LAX, you learn something everyday!!
51 Planemanofnz : I doubt that either of these will be operated untill NZ has either a second gateway in the UK or flights to FRA, the biggest Star hub on the European
52 ZK-NBT : It is now MEL-AKL-SFO though until the end of March it changes to NZ123/124 for the AKL-MEL-AKL sector and yes that is a 772. The 744's that continue
53 FlyboyOz : WOW! that's a good news!! Im really happy for ANZ...i would definiatly fly ANZ again! THE BEST friendly airline in the world! It would be a lot EASIER
54 ZKSUJ : Do you have figures? I know the 744 is not as efficient as the 777, but I doubt it would be as uneconomical as you say. I will gladly be proven wrong
55 AKLDELNonstop : Sorry I meant increase in current capacity. Ok that explains a bit. Cheers
56 Accargo : Yes, a treaty negotiated between 2 countries where both are able to enjoy the benefits. Very different from the version you want where you would allo
57 Planemanofnz : The whole point of using the 744's to EZE is to avoid ETOPS restrictions. NZ will not use 787's to South America as the only way that they could woul
58 Flyjetstar : In the Herald this morning they noted: Sims said the airline had about 20 potential routes under consideration and was constantly modelling those oppo
59 DYK : Just out of curiosity,what 20 destinations do you think Sims would be looking at?
60 YVR1968 : Great news! Another fantastic option to fly home for XMAS 07. Definitely the best option in my opninion. Slightly off topic, but there is a great arti
61 Gigneil : QF certainly has options for 115. NS
62 NZ747 : Great news for NZ, it's a shame that it isn't going to be routed through Nadi..well for me anyway. Will be interesting to know the payload restriction
63 Flyjetstar : Others more knowledgeable than myself will be able to flesh it out further but to date it is known JNB, EZE and BOM are being considered. MAN, FRA ar
64 Post contains images N1120A : With the approval of new ETOPS rules, it is likely that we will have ETOPS 330 within the next 5 years. You think? While Buenos Aires is a great plac
65 Kiwiflyer791 : The first lot of Y+ expansion finished last year! The second phase, to add Y+ seats to the front R/H side of "C" zone is due to be completed around O
66 TG992 : And watch the absolute chaos that ensues as the already stretched-to-breaking-point, undercrewed Premium class flight attendants face the absolute im
67 Flyjetstar : filler filler filler[Edited 2007-02-24 04:22:34]
68 Post contains links and images Zkpilot : Yeah thinking about it, some of those 20 would most likely be previous destinations such as SIN which with 787 become viable again. JNB, EZE, GRU, SC
69 Threepoint : I highly doubt it. Soon, AC will fly YVR-SYD non-stop, eliminating the HNL tech stop, but to route [b]all[b/] its South Pacific-bound traffic through
70 Threepoint : I do note that you've omitted YVR from the route network map - the entire raison d'etre of this thread.
71 Zkpilot : Surely if this next phase goes thru a FA from Y would be transferred to Y+? There would be less Y pax after all and like you said the Premium FA's wo
72 TG992 : It's not quite that simple. We work in ranks (one rank works only in J and Y+, the other only in Y). The contracts are completely different, pay is d
73 Manu : You're right, going into the US from Canada is ok most of the time. Depends if the person interviewing you has had a good day or not I find. It is th
74 Post contains images Zkpilot : oops!!!! guess I was just used to seeing it so much from the talk in here that I missed it!! meh CBA now... thanks for pointing it out tho! Yes I kno
75 Post contains images TG992 : Unfortunately the Business service is so elaborate that they're usually still going while the Economy service is finished, so this wouldn't be feasib
76 ZKSUJ : TG992-I know you guys have less crew than compared with other carriers, just curious but what are the numbers of FA's to PAX like with NZ in compariso
77 TG992 : Cathay 747 (17 crew): 1 f/a per 20 passengers (config 1) or 22.5 pax (config 2) Cathay 772 (12 crew): 1 f/a per 28 passengers (remember these operate
78 Planemanofnz : AKL to : -PEK -EZE -GRU -ICN -SEA -DEN -SIN -KUL -CGK -CAN CHC to : -HKG PVG to : -MAN EZE to : -FRA SYD to : -LAX MEL to : -JNB -BOM -DEL PPT to : -
79 TG992 : I would call a difference of over 35% (in the case of some 747 configs) to be rather substantial. The problem isn't so much the increased number of p
80 Planemanofnz : Yeah, I suppose, I was just looking at from an individual F/A's perspective, like only 7/8 pax more to serve during the trolley rounds, but I guess i
81 VHVXB : Never heard it before Its LONGHAUL service is simply outstanding
82 YVR1968 : This was one of the big 3 rumours circulating about new YVR services. The other 2 are still Oasis from HKG and China Southern from CAN. Does anybody k
83 DYK : Not to sure about Oasis Hongkong, but there is talk around the cargo village at YVR that China Southern will begin service. We were expecting it to be
84 TG992 : I know this isn't very specific, but it's from someone in the know. ' With the way our B777s are fitted out, it does not have the capability to fly f
85 N1120A : All I can say is hogwash. NZ1 can probably say more.
86 Gigneil : Its perfectly plausible. NZ's business class seats are extremely, extremely heavy. NS
87 TG992 : Would you care to elaborate? This quote comes direct, unaltered from the route planning department, so if they don't know the capabilities of our air
88 ZKSUJ : Agree
89 NZ1 : N1120A, I am afraid TG992 is correct in what he says' I DO have this information which is why I can back TG992 up on his statement. NZ1
90 N1120A : That is pretty hard to believe, given that they have the 656,000 pound version of the aircraft, which is able to make a full passenger/limited cargo
91 ZKNBX : Thanks NZ1 If the range is such a stretch with the config... thus restricting cargo uplift to such a high degree, then why is Fyfe so sure they are go
92 Post contains images TG992 : So are you saying that a network planner and an aircraft engineer are wrong, or are you saying that you are? [Edited 2007-02-24 11:12:37]
93 CrazyHorse : NZ has two daily flights to the UK, but not no single to the european mainland and their big Star Alliance Partner there. FRA looks like their first
94 Koruman : MUC and FRA would be terrible choices for Air NZ because 1) there is a far bigger market between UK / Ireland-NZ than the whole of the rest of Europe
95 Post contains links SunriseValley : It is not hogwash. It confirms what I thought would be the situation . For some fairly close numbers go to posting #29 in the other thread on this su
96 SunriseValley : Specifically to NZ1. How close am I at 330000lb passenger ready ZFW for NZ's -200ER's . Am I high or low? P-l-e-a-s-e.!
97 Threepoint : Is this a personal hunch, or does 'something' refer to information from a "person in the know"? I'll respond with my 'sheer speculation' disclaimer:
98 SunriseValley : That would be for sure; they need to fix their Canada / Aus services before looking at other South Pacific destinations. I am not sure how much fresh
99 Planemanofnz : The UK = The mother nation. = Where most of the Pakeha population can trace their roots back to. = Place where huge amounts of young kiwi's go to wor
100 DYK : I could not agree with you more!! I am sometimes very shocked with the AC cabin crew on overseas flights. They are a little old, and sometime bit to
101 Multimark : As it stands AC can't fill a T7 non-stop YVR-SYD outside of the Canadian winter months. So either they or Australia will have to do an awful lot of m
102 ZK-NBT : Rumoured to be YVR-SYD with a 772LR I have heard but they may wait for the 787. And you no this how? Since AC don't even have 777's yet though they d
103 Zkpilot : I can also confirm the statement about being restricted, I have also read that from planning. As for the weights of NZs birds, the Business Premier s
104 Post contains images NZ1 : It doesn't matter what version of the aircraft we have, if the seats and equipment weigh a lot, which they do. See zkpilot's reply, he is on the mone
105 ZKNZA : Ill try find out how much weight has actually been added from some weight and balance data. As a side note, the weight increases due to IFE/Seats has
106 Gigneil : The 744ER cannot do LAX-SYD reliably with a full load. It just can't. It can do it BETTER than a 744, but not full. NS
107 AerorobNZ : AR aren't looking to join any alliance, as they still have issues with IATA to sort. If they do it will likely be Sky Team because of existing arrang
108 Planetime : Well now the direct service will get make life easy 3x a week ,seasonly, instead of the 4 daily nonstops to LAX/SFO. Well being Canadian its just har
109 DYK : I agree, not be negative but this is one route to YVR I am not sure will last. Air Canada does well to the Sydney and there are a lot of passenger wh
110 Threepoint : No, living next door to the US does make it hard to avoid that country, but in terms of airline travel, there are many options for eliminating a US t
111 777ER : Does anyone know what the requirments are for a kiwi entering Canada, like do you need a visa? If your catching the YVR flight then going to a US boun
112 Multimark : I've been on this route on the off-season, and it is not enough demand for a T7. Believe me, I wish there was but I just don't see it, The deletion o
113 DYK : good point!
114 Planetime : Visa is stamped on arrival ... I am guessing u are a New Zealander.
115 VHVXB : 5 daily to be precise. lack of aircraft is preventing them serving SFO daily. Once the A380s come online YVR (direct) and SFO will most probably beco
116 Planetime : Thanks. I was not exactly sure on the number. Will SFO be a 380 destination. I know LAX will be. Then LHR. How about SFO? Not sure if YVR will need 2
117 VHVXB : In the future it maybe but once the A380 enters service it will free up part of the B744 fleet which will enable it to serve SFO daily and even YVR (
118 Post contains links Viscount724 : If you have a New Zealand passport no visa is required for Canada for a stay of up to 6 months. And New Zealand is one of the 27 countries participat
119 Koruman : WHY VANCOUVER WILL NOT SUCCEED LIKE SAN FRANCISCO SFO has been a success because the Bay Area has 4.2 million inhabitants with the highest per capita
120 Threepoint : Nobody's claiming it will succeed like San Fransisco. It only needs to succeed. If you think the pax using YVR will only come from the Vancouver & Vi
121 SunriseValley : My question of Koruman is, I think you are in the travel business , if so what is the potential number of bums from ADL/MEL/ BNE to YVR via AKL ? Does
122 Viscount724 : Since AC will be codesharing, I'm sure NZ/AC will offer attractive fares to/from all AC online points in Canada, especially western Canada. And even
123 Planetime : Then in that same case you could also consider LAX and SFO to cater to the whole American population, and that in comparison is like 11 times more th
124 ZKSUJ : Aparantly not. I heard that it is not viable or economical to continue on to JFK or ORD like some suggest. Someone one here should be able to give so
125 Koruman : Sunrise Valley and Viscount724's comments highlight the problem facing Air NZ on the AKL-YVR route. On the one hand, NZ's US routes benefit from passe
126 Zkpilot : You just require an outbound ticket (to a country you are allowed to enter of course), a valid passport (with I think from memory at least 30 days to
127 Threepoint : Sorry to appear like I'm picking on only you, but I have to shoot holes in a couple of your arguments: First, let's have some sources for your percent
128 CrazyHorse : Good points, without a question. The UK is the prime market for NZ and also for QF, but an other Hub in Europe could work quite well for NZ and FRA o
129 SunriseValley : Fyfe addressed that issue by saying they could not get the yields needed to ORD/JFK. I think they should have switched 4 of the existing frames to 20
130 MotorHussy : I think we'll find that NZ will be packing a few less than the 280 to 300 seats you're talking about, in fact I'd wager it'll be around 260 as they'r
131 Zkpilot : The 789 is the 763ER replacement... the 7810 (about 300 seats) will be the 772ER replacement although 789 (about 260 seats) may take on some of these
132 Sebring : In reading the last 25 points in this thread about the viability of the new service, I am struck by how much nonsense is being spouted, so much I don'
133 DYK : Well said Sebring, BTW Coronation street is more popular in Canada that any other country outside the U.K. Speaking of which, sad to see Mike Baldwin
134 Planetime : But also keep consideration that NZ has 3 flights a day from LAX and 1 flight a day from SFO. YVR will only be 3x a week seasonaly.
135 Threepoint : Perhaps I didn't make myself as clear as I could have. I meant that AC for several reasons finds itself under attack by a percentage of the Canadian
136 ZKNBX : Easy goes it... no ne PVG is 3 x per week and highly successful. SFO started out 3 x weekly, then 5 times weekly, and now daily. So no need for too mu
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