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AA, DL To Continue JFK Expansion  
User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 427 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6828 times:

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-b...ory?coll=ny-business-leadheadlines

The article talks mostly about AA's expansion plans, but also mentions that DL will add 18 domestic destinations from JFK by July. We know BGM, PDX and DFW are on DL's list, any guesses on the other 15?

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

Ill bet ACK and MVY will be on the DL list!


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User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

Maybe the smaller upstate NY cities like ITH and ELM. Maybe MDT will get service back to the NYC area.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6834 times:

PDX is new for this year... can't remember what all else out west.. besides DFW.

User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6840 times:

Bring back JFK-PNS or start LGA-PNS please..

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6677 times:

Not sure if we are actually talking all new destinations here. The way the article is worded, including the following sentence about DL having added 17 int'l destinations, it leads be to believe that those 18 domestic destinations are just a summary of what DL will have started by July, including those routes that they have already launched, like JFK, BDL or BUF. I strongly doubt that roughly 4 months out DL would be holding back on an announcement for 14 new routes on top of those already mentioned.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6504 times:
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Maybe we'll see another large surge of transcons to secondary destinations like ONT and OAK.

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4742 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6447 times:

there are additional domestic JFK destinations to be added in addition to what's already been mentioned.


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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

Hopefully I'll see ONT,SMF,MSY and YVR  checkmark 


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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6390 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 8):
Hopefully I'll see ONT,SMF,MSY and YVR

Agreed, however:
ONT - unlikely, poor loads/yields
SMF - didn't/doesn't DL operate this? Didn't last. Even UA has pulled SMF-IAD (didn't they?) and you'd think the government traffic between the largest state and DC would be sufficeint.
MSY - nice fit.
YVR - always thought this would be a success, but only seasonal.


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2165 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6371 times:

B6 is considered vulnerable today...so jump in now and try to steal summer traffic and also lower B6 yields, right when B6 is going to have to spend large bucks to upgrade their infrastructure, to further impact them. DL does it hiding behind Chapt 11 and AMR does it under their old 'eat or be eaten' manifesto that goes back to Braniff.

User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 970 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6282 times:

If Delta is going to compete strong and long term, they need to "get their house in order" ie a new terminal facility. B6 and AA have them beat by a long shot in that category!


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4742 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 11):
If Delta is going to compete strong and long term, they need to "get their house in order" ie a new terminal facility.

Shiny and bright with a beautiful widget on the front...

 Wink



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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6218 times:

Maybe they'll give JKF-GSO a try again


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6174 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 11):
If Delta is going to compete strong and long term, they need to "get their house in order" ie a new terminal facility. B6 and AA have them beat by a long shot in that category!

And yet they experience a massive growth of pax that use those "subpar" facilities  Wink ...


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6150 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 9):
Even UA has pulled SMF-IAD

United has not dropped the flight- they operate one A319 per day. B6, however, pulled their SMF-IAD flight.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6047 times:

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 15):
United has not dropped the flight- they operate one A319 per day. B6, however, pulled their SMF-IAD flight.

Thanks PanAm. I knew somebody dropped out of the market...


User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5844 times:
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Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 11):
If Delta is going to compete strong and long term, they need to "get their house in order" ie a new terminal facility. B6 and AA have them beat by a long shot in that category!

This is absolutely true. The T2/T3 facility is an abomination, a facility built before security was even a thought.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5350 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5741 times:

Having read the article, I see the statement about "18 new DL destinations" but I just don't believe it.

This number must include those destinations already announced: STT, MBJ, PHX, PDX. But even 14 more within 5 months seems to be really stretching JFK facilities, DL a/c availability, and timing of announcements.

I certainly don't doubt that there will be additional destinations added from JFK by DL but this number just seems ridiculously high. Also, this expansion was mentioned as an aside in an article about AA so I will wait until I see a more complete p r from (or at least about) Delta.

bb


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5719 times:

They are both along with B6 going to end up clogging JFK with small planes

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5648 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 19):
They are both along with B6 going to end up clogging JFK with small planes

...would take quite a bit to reach saturation point. Unlike the other two NYC airports, JFK actually has plenty of growth potention during much of the day.


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5605 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Thread starter):
We know BGM, PDX and DFW are on DL's list, any guesses on the other 15?

I actually think CRW is on this list. We've been going after flights to NYC for ages and the demand is definately there. I think that seeing BGM as one of the cities also increases our chances.

[Edited 2007-02-23 22:52:12]

User currently offlineBY188B From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5527 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 11):
If Delta is going to compete strong and long term, they need to "get their house in order" ie a new terminal facility. B6 and AA have them beat by a long shot in that category!

 checkmark 

I flew DL LGW-JFK-LGW last year, i can honestly say that deltas terminal is one of the worst in the world (yes even worse than LHR  Smile )

On the return sector, queues snaking outside the terminal, passengers missing their flights left right and centre... from a foreigners point of view D's JFK terminal is like entering a third world country.



next flights : BD LHR-TXL J, FR SXF-STN Y, SN BRU-LHR Y, MA LHR-BUD Y, BA BUD-LHR J, BA LCY-SNN-JFK J, BA JFK-LHR J, BA
User currently offlineBN727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

My bets say they will go wherever B6 goes. Odds are they won't come up with anything new or original. Only this time DL can't gouge the customer with sky high fares.

User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

Quoting BN727 (Reply 23):
My bets say they will go wherever B6 goes. Odds are they won't come up with anything new or original. Only this time DL can't gouge the customer with sky high fares.

Other than illustrating some sort of hatred for DL, this post doesn't make any sense. If DL is only following B6 around, then they won't be able to charge sky high fares on any of those routes.



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25 Post contains images Riddle274 : How about something to DAB?
26 WorldTraveler : Yet, AA spent $1B on a facility that makes their airport costs per passenger at JFK the highest of any major airport in the US. And B6's facilities o
27 PanAm330 : I have a feeling that DAB might see some DL service to NYC. Whether it's LGA or JFK remains to be seen (I hope JFK, because that would enable me to c
28 Alitalia744 : amazing what people could find if they read! like I said shiny and bright with a big widget!
29 N766UA : God help DL. They really don't have the facilities to expand at JFK. The system in place for RJs is awful, especially if there are delays, and the lin
30 MCOflyer : I'd like to see ELM and BGM. These are high potential cities that have NW Airlink service and US Express service. I think DL could win some customers
31 WorldTraveler : BOS likely will get some int'l service in a couple years so say the folks that know. But JFK will be DL's NE big dog. It just needs a flea bath right
32 BatonOps : I think ITH could be added to your list. Also another NW and US city.
33 OOer : Any chance of DL restarting DEN-JFK even with only an E170? Or how about OMA-JFK. Or BHM-JFK. Any chance of DL doing a HNL-SLC-JFK run swith that 764
34 Post contains images BigGSFO : Needs more than a flea bath. Try reconstructive surgery.
35 RobertS975 : Yeah, but from 4PM to 9PM, it is an hour from pushback to the runway on a perfectly fine day.
36 N766UA : At least. In the evening it's especially bad when you get all those heavies mixed in and the holds for wake turb start really adding up.
37 JetBluefan1 : Actually, that isn't always true. This past Monday we pushed back at 7:48pm and were in the air 10 minutes later... Not really sure why. JetBluefan1
38 RL757PVD : Id like to see DL takeover terminal 1 at JFK, then remodel Terminal 2 to match the peir from T1. The displaced T1 airlines can go to a T4 expansion, w
39 WorldTraveler : DL is starting its int'l depts. at 4.30 pm this summer to help spread out its int'l operation and to increase the utilization of the facilities. It sh
40 Planetime : Old Pan Am terminal is in real need of a renewel. I think Delta will come up with a grand plan soon with the rate they are continuing to grow at JFK.
41 DAL767400ER : Not really. During the time DL could do well with additional gates, T4 is filled up just as much with all the flights bound for Europe, or early Sout
42 Phollingsworth : The plan, prior to the distaster that the last 5.5 years has been was to demolish T3 and expand T4. The expansion of T4 was to handle all DL internat
43 WorldTraveler : It is more likely that some sort of expansion of T4 will be done to allow DL to grow while refurbishing/rebuilding its current complex. It is too expe
44 Alitalia744 : I think that portions of the WorldPort will be incorporated in a potential new design of sorts.... that's what I think.
45 Planetime : Is there anything being proposed for a new terminal with DL at JFK?
46 Post contains images Alitalia744 : I'm sure DL is aware of their current terminal constraints and is looking at options for how to deal with it. Beyond that, no one knows.
47 WorldTraveler : DL was very close to signing a contract for a new facility at JFK prior to 9/11. They haven't forgotten the need.
48 Planetime : Yes and that was supposed to be like a mega terminal.
49 Post contains images DeltaGuy767 : Hey I'd like to think so too, but unfortunately BOS will see no Int'l service from DL unless there is US Immigration preclearance at the opposite end
50 Post contains links STT757 : No they were not, they announced their plan in 2000. They released the renderings in the New York Times (I have it somewhere), nothing happened. It w
51 Alitalia744 : No it doesn't. The only people it looks ridiculous to are airline enthusiasts. The general public doesn't know their a** from their elbow. STT - we k
52 STT757 : Are there non aviation enthusiasts reading these threads, this whole community of A-net is aviation enthusiasts to which these grandiose boasts by DL
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