Airpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 952 posts, RR: 26 Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 24029 times:
In breaking news this evening, Reuters reported that the European Union is set to ban most of Pakistan International Airlines’ fleet from flying to the 27-nation bloc because of safety concerns.
The source said a committee of experts had decided to block all but seven planes (presumably the newly delivered B777s) of the airline’s 40-plane fleet from flying to Europe for failing to meet international safety standards.
“Only those seven will be allowed to make flights to European Union countries,” the source told Reuters. “The rest of the fleet will be blacklisted.”
The decision is likely to come into force in about 10 days, the source said.
Imiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 23761 times:
Hmmm. Strange as it was only a few of months ago when the EU gave the go-ahead to operate B743s into the EU.
I guess this ban will not only affect flights to LHR (B743) but other EU cities that are served with the A310. If this is true then PK really does ned to get it's act together as they will lose a lot of custom if they drop the EU destinations due to a lack of "safe" aircraft.
Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 21692 times:
Around 1990 I went into a PIA 747 making a stop between JFK & Islamabad. I still remember it because I was shocked by the mess in the cockpit (magazines / manuals everywhere), all the indicators of non functioning systems (flying with the MEL) and the circus in the passenger cabin (several lavatories jammed, people sleeping in the aisles, lack of airco..
It is a long time ago, but a few new 777 don´t make a decent airline.
ImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2615 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 20995 times:
Quoting Flycro (Reply 8): Whats shocking is that it taking 10 days to ban them
Yeahhhh---- Thats what I'm thinking!!!!!!!!!!
Whats up with that-----politics as usual?
I am really surprised as I have always concidered PI a "stand-up" operator, however I am also aware that "time can change everything".
Seems pretty simple to me----
If they are that bad then shut 'em down right now. Otherwise shut-up!
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
GARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 20503 times:
Yes, the PK B742's were banned a few months ago. They have had several incidents in particular
at MAN within the last couple of years. A couple of these have involved B777s as well if I recall.
The EU is not afraid to ban aircraft from respected airlines as well as from
countries that do not meet their strict standards.
DAS is one that is still trying to resolve their banned status.
B707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19156 times:
Wow, never nice when a major international carrier faces poor safety perceptions. Think how long is took KE to get their acts together. I hope PK does something in the next 10 days to correct this situation or there will be a lot of US-Pakistan passengers changing airlines, and quick. I'm sure if the EU is going to place a ban than the Americans won't be far behind. Those 777's are going to get a workout!
AlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16827 times:
Quoting Cba (Reply 4): This is also going to hurt service to the US, as all of their flights to the US stopover in Europe IIRC.
However all US flights are operated by the 777-200ER and 777-200LR, which are presumably among the seven aircraft that will be allowed in the EU.
Considering PIA currently has:
2 777-200ER (A 3rd Coming soon)
Piedmont767LGW From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 15675 times:
Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 15): A couple of these have involved B777s as well if I recall.
Yes they have...as recently as Feb 15 when a PIA 777 cliped another a/c while taxiing. This was the reason that there were two PIA 777's at MAN on Friday Feb 16. Spotters might have noticed around 11:00 UTC, one was at a gate, and the other was on the hard stand. The a/c on the hard stand was the one reportedly involved in the incident on 2/15. Sorry but I wasn't able to see the registration of the a/c involved in the incident.
Mah584jr From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 15502 times:
That airline is in need of a major overhaul anyway. Their aircraft are outdated and have experienced numerous small eqp. failures in the past few years. A310's and 743's are considered hand-me-down aircraft, for lack of a better word. I do like the 777s tho.
: What did they fail? They fly basically the same type of aircraft as anyone else. They haven not had any of their 747s or A310s crash. PIA777
: Their Maintenace is well respected. Other Airlines have used PIA to do Maintenance. PIA777
: It was actually a 74M (B747-200 Combi), of which PK operate two. I am working in ISB next week and am thinking of ending the trip with a 74M flight I
: I don't see why you would see any difference. 747-200s and A300s properly maintained are just as safe as properly maintained 747-300s and A310s. Thos
: The problem is that they WILL be safter if not maintained properly... for a while. New planes don't require alot of the things high cycle/older aircr
: Well actually Oh... what that guy said. See now PK has to make certain choices, like what's more important: Manchester AND Paris, or Manchester AND N
: As reported today in Pakistan's Daily Times A senior official at the Pakistan High Commission in London told the Pakistan International Airlines headq
: why do these old planes still fly? because they are all good maintained. logic or not???
: According to the Arab Times: 1) PIA operates 16 flights in 8 countries in the EU 2) Can lease additional aircraft/crew http://www.arabtimesonline.com/
: The EU wouldnt ban an airline unless it had reason to do so.... Im amazed that people here question the safety committees of the EU, and demand facts.
: Photos of PIA's fourth 777-200ER to be delivered next month http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=400405351&size=m close up of tail art work http://
: Exactly, Best Western; as if to make matters worse, the Indian press will have an absolute field day with this. You can just imagine the Times of Ind
: I have been unable to find ONE specific thing the the EU wanted to have fixed, since the drama began a while back. Its all rumors as to what exactly
: I think PK has bigger fish to fry than worry about negative publicity by the Indian Press. Pakistan's press would not hesitate to reciprocate their f
: Maybe not bad, but they've certainly always been quite a long way from having a good one. Which, in itself, really isn't something to be proud of...
: Reuters reports "Its most profitable routes were to the Middle East and Britain." http://in.today.reuters.com/news/new...NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-289047-
: He deserves to be sacked, as the buck stops with him. The fact that the EU have permitted the flying of Boeing, and banned the Airbus fleet demonstra
: That actually makes 8 777 aircraft - 2x 777-300ER (AP-BHV/W), 2x 777-200LR (AP-BGY/Z) and 3x 777-200ER (AP-BGJ/K/L) with a further -200ER due soon (A
: The EU safety checks are not based on the crash record, but rather on random inspection checks when landing at EU airports, and maintenance records a
: Good opportunity for Mid East based carriers. Would any EU based carrier be interested in starting service to Pakistan now?
: The News International: ‘PIA unaware of any ban on flights to EU destinations’ KARACHI: A news item which appeared in a section of the press quote
: I'd like to point out that the Indian press does not waste their time revelling in setbacks to such news from across the border....everyone understan
: I'd like to point out that the Indian press do not waste their time revelling in such news from across the border....everyone understands that it cou
: The problems of PIA have been slowly building up with time. PIA might be considered lucky that nothing catastrophic has occurred. Much of this has fl
: ...IIRC, turned out to be an ATC error rather than pilot error... That being said.....I'm planning on fly on PK from JFK in about 4-6 weeks....fortun
: I don't think people in Pakistan are going to worry too much attention to what the Indian media would say. Most of them don't pay too much attention
: "Safety concerns" from the second largest aviation regulatory body on the planet is MORE than good enough for me. NS
: How is Biman allowed to fly DC-10's to UK etc? Those jets have to be very old?
: I could be wrong but I believe there was a brief ban of Biman DC-10's in the UK and I believe they have been banned from flying to the United States
: Do you know if US ever banned PIA 747-200's?
: I don't think the US ever banned PIA aircraft, just the UK. Up until September PIA was bringing in the 747-200 to JFK.
: US didn't allow the 772LR flights direct from Lahore, nothing wrong with the a/c just security concerns at OPLA. Yeah, would do anything to know the
: Not happened yet, hopefully will be a small column somewhere inside the papers. That being said, if this does happen, it may be time for AI to operat
: When charging fares like £150 from MAN to the US all in... you have to wonder how their making any money... and I guess this shows how. Apparently th
: £150 all-in from MAN to the USA???!!!! Why hasn't anyone told us MAN employees about this?! Why? Because it's cobblers! Their transit flights are so
: (tinfoil hat) ah but these are bought and paid for A310s, the price is new A330s or 340s or even 380s. (/tinfoil hat) Unfortunately conspiracy theori
: Hi Where are the PIA fleet maintained, is it in somewhere in Europe or is it in Pakistan.
: those fares to the United States are basically for 5th freedom flights.....PK never got too many pax on USA-MAN-USA flights...
: In Pakistan. http://www.piac.com.pk/PIA_Engineering/pia-engineering.aspx
: I am rather curious how the EU ban works? I havent heared of a Pakistani Crashes recently...but in Nigeria?Any comments?Why they dont ban 5N register?
: They sell these fares for £150 nett to their top GSA travel agents in BHX MAN LON , taxes are on top. Most passengers are indeed transit from Pakist
: I still do not know what ban is all about. Safety concerns or bad interior or inferior airmanship. I have traveled PIA quite a few time, trust me some
: Here's an update by www.dailytimes.com.pk, ================= ISLAMABAD: The Federal Republic of Germany has cast the first stone against the Pakistan
: PIA website states that safety concerns are a prioritiy and also the maintenance are that of EASA facility!! Maybe because its 747 are too old to fly?
: yes that's right! my colleague at Fraport (the handling agent for PIA at FRA) just told me that PK is banned and that they do all the passengers on t
: Does anyone know if tomorrow's LHE-GLA-LHE A310 service is operating as planned?