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User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 29
Posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

I have very special, fond memories of TWA. Why? They introduced me to international air travel back in the 1990s; I made my first overseas flight on TWA.

In March and April 1994, as a high school graduation gift, I took a trip to Spain with some classmates and chaperones (including a very attractive South American woman!  Wink ). We flew TWA, IND-JFK-MAD round trip. The JFK-MAD and MAD-JFK legs were on 747-131s. This is the only time I've ever been on a 747--and it was a lifelong dream, fulfilled, to fly on a 747--my favourite aircraft of all time!

The memories are so vivid, it is as if the trip happened only yesterday. I have such a photographic memory. What I especially remember fondly are the Trans World Flight Center (Terminal 5) at JFK and the TWA 747-131.

JFK Terminal 5--Trans World Flight Center

This was the first thing I ever saw at JFK airport. When my DC-9 from IND landed, we deplaned at Terminal 6 (what was then TWA's domestic terminal). We actually boarded a Plane-Mate style "bus" directly from a jetway at T6 and rode across the apron to T5, where we entered the terminal directly from the Plane-Mate via a jetway into the concourse. I got my first glimpse of JFK traffic from the bus, and I saw my first L-1011s and 747s, parked at T5. Compared to any airport I had ever traveled through (this was my 2nd air trip, by the way), JFK was HUGE!


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Remember a scene like this, back when TWA had their thriving base at JFK? I sure do! I remember the evening transatlantic rush from T5 very well!

If you've ever noticed, the larger concourse, named Flight Wing One, looks like a huge guitar! Inside, I remember the acres of red-carpeted floor, the floor-to-ceiling windows tinted green all around the edge of the "guitar", and especially, the ceiling which was riddled with holes for the lights--very much like a constellation of stars overhead! In the center were the toilets, bar, and restaurant areas. Along the top of the floor-to-ceiling windows were parallel red stripes and "TWA". Outside it was pitch dark (it was late March, still early spring). Around the outside of the "guitar" were the jetways, one or two at each corner. There were actually two layers of windows, forming a glass hallway around the "guitar's" perimeter. The concrete tube leading from the "guitar" concourse to the main part of T5 was the "guitar's" neck, in my view. The other concourse, Flight Wing Two, was much smaller and looked more like a concrete-and-glass "spider" with two longer arms sticking out, at the end of which were triangular gates.

Outside, as I was taxiing in my TWA 747 in the dark to the runway, I finally saw the outside of the main T5 building--with its lighted TWA sign. This space-age building was beautiful!

I have a weird memory about JFK T5--my hearing aid died there just before boarding! I had no hearing for the whole 10-day trip to Spain!

The TWA 747-131 in twin red stripes

The first time I ever saw a 747 for real was nose-to-nose through the window of the guitar concourse at T5; it was waiting at my gate for me! (I had always wanted to fly on one, but I had heretofore only seen 747s in National Geographic advertisements for Pan Am, TWA, and Northwest Orient; this dates me quite a bit, doesn't it?) This lovely lady stared back at me, her white nose bisected by the twin red stripes of TWA. This 747 did not have the black glare shield. Unfortunately, I never knew about registrations back then, so I never found out the registration of this 747.


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My TWA 747 looked exactly like the one in the above photo!


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This is my photo of a TWA 747 next to mine when I came back to JFK at the end of the trip. My only TWA 747 photo I ever shot. As you can see, they rarely cleaned the windows on the terminal.

When I boarded the TWA 747 that evening for the JFK-MAD flight, I was awed by the elegant winding spiral staircase that greeted me when I entered via door L1. A lovely flight attendant greeted me and showed me where to go. In the nose were the First Class (Ambassador?) seats; they were big recliner-chair-style seats back then. Zone B was the Business Class section. These slightly smaller reclining seats were blue with red and white stripes down the middle of each. Economy, where I sat, had a mixture of red and blue seats.

The bins along the sides were larger than the ones I had seen in old 747 ads; these must have been a newer design at that time. The center overhead bins, however, were still the old style. The window surrounds (the panels around the windows) were a bit different than the ones I had normally seen in 747 ads.

The seats on TWA 747s were numbered, instead of lettered as normal. My seat was 49-3, the third seat in row 49.

Another thing I noticed was that the fuselage tapered aft, so the windows of doors L5 and R5 actually allowed me to look straight down at the endless ocean below.

I had my first ever inflight meals and movies on this TWA 747!

Upon landing at MAD, we parked at a remote stand, between an IB 727-200 and a TG 747-400. We deplaned via stairs to a waiting articulated bus, very similar in design to an American 5th-wheel travel trailer!

Such memories... Wink

Please share your memories of TWA at JFK!

SmithAir747


I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made... (Psalm 139:14)
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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

Brought back memories.

Flew many times out of T5 onboard the JFK-ATH service (1985, 87, 88, 91, 93, 94).

Great airline that TWA!



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 4796 times:

yup, miss TWA also. Mostly flew IND-LAX and ORD-PHX on TW...but a great carrier in her day.

Smith, I noticed you are from my old home area, FWA..if you fly from there sometime, there is a bit of TWA memorabilia
upstairs. TWA flew to FWA up to the early 60's. I believe it was an ORD-FWA- CMH/DAY-PIT-LGA routing or something close to it.

Good luck on your medical studies...maybe you'll get some very attractive latin female patients someday!


User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4650 times:

Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 2):

I fly from FWA all the time (being a student in London, I fly from FWA-London twice a year for school).

I really enjoy the museum upstairs--and I have seen the TWA memorabilia there. I remember the TWA ticket jacket marked with "FWA" on it, bearing a picture of a TWA Constellation. (Before FWA existed, TWA started out flying to Fort Wayne's original airport, SMD--Smith Field).

So FWA has always been my home airport; I can remember when it was Baer Field Municipal Airport. I can remember when DL, NW, Piedmont, and other mainline carriers served FWA with 727s, DC-9s, MD-80s/90s, and 737s. I can remember when the terminal was smaller (only 2 jetways), had a tower on top, and even a glass-walled cube-shaped boarding lounge on ground level.

I also remember TW Express serving FWA in the late 1990s.

SmithAir747 (now in London)



I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made... (Psalm 139:14)
User currently offlineJMBWEEBOY From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4463 times:

My most memorable TWA memory was sitting in the upstarirs first class lounge (it still existed in 1974) of a 747 between New York and Madrid and being offered very genrous cash to be a mercinary in Angola by a fellow passenger. You just never know who you will meet!

JMBWEEBOY


User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4435 times:


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What is the story with the 747 in this picture that is in the upper left corner sitting away from the terminal?

It's a livery I've never seen on a TWA aircraft it just has TWA in Red on the tail with no stripes or no globes?

Anyone know? Could it have been leased?


-Carl



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User currently offlineIL96M From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

Through the 1970s, as a young boy I commuted back and forth with my family between Italy and Detroit, MI. We always flew on TW routing MXP-JFK-DTW, and my father was back then a TWA "Ambassador", when it was awarded as an honorific on not just an airmiles status.

Thus I spent each year many hours in the Eero Saarinen-designed TWA terminal, which had a great influence on me as did Eero's IAD terminal building. These certainly contributed to why I chose to become an architect and they are still great iconic influences in my work today.

Thanks TW! RIP!!!

PS: What are the chances of TWA brand being 'resurrected' as was Pan Am? Would be great to see it come back...


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

Nice thread! Brings back memories...My mother used to take me to Terminal 5 for dinner and to just walk around...Those were the days!

Quoting JMBWEEBOY (Reply 4):
My most memorable TWA memory was sitting in the upstarirs first class lounge (it still existed in 1974) of a 747 between New York and Madrid and being offered very genrous cash to be a mercinary in Angola by a fellow passenger.

LOL, that is really funny!


User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4314 times:
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I remember wandering all over the JFK terminal in my teens, doing some aircraft spotting (it was so easy back then) That place was so neat...those tunnels out to the gates were so unique for the day...the terminal was great for spotting, 2nd only to the roof of the Pan Am terminal.

User currently offlineN905TW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 5):
What is the story with the 747 in this picture that is in the upper left corner sitting away from the terminal?

It's a livery I've never seen on a TWA aircraft it just has TWA in Red on the tail with no stripes or no globes?

Anyone know? Could it have been leased?

Hi there, that all white 747 you see in the picture is N307TW, which was one of the 4 used 747's aquired for the 1996 summer travel season. With the best of intentions, TWA aquired 4 aircraft from the desert for additional lift, but none of the aircraft were ready on time for the summer schedule change due to major unanticipated maintenance. As they did become ready they were quickly rushed into service - 2 of the 4 received only hybrid paint schemes:

N128TW - Former CO -100 model, Full TWA colors
N129TW - Former AF -100 model, Blue Belly, red TWA on tail
N306TW - Former KLM & America West -200 model, Full TWA Colors
N307TW - Former Qantas & Air Lanka -200 model, All White fuselage, red TWA on tail

These four aircraft were a royal pain in the you know what for that summer, always breaking and falling apart. Only 1 of the 4 had an operable audio/video system, and from what I remember, one of the aircraft had the tiny overhead bins in all cabins circa 1970. They were parked as quickly as possible after the summer.

[Edited 2007-02-25 09:16:22]

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Hi!

On the 13th. of March 1989 I also flew MAD/JFK in a TWA 747-131, N93106, at that time already with almost 19 years old. It was a very confortable and safe flight, I remember that our flight was almost full and I CANNOT forget the fact that the Cap. came by the aisle and talked with some passengers, old school I guess, and when he aproached me I said hello to him, he asked where did I came from, I said LIS and he said that we flew many times to that place. A very nice thing that old school Captains did, a way to relax passengers. Good old days indeed.
Regards


User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

Thanks N905TW That makes sense did they do this often??


-Carl



If Your Dying Were Flying
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 11):
Thanks N905TW That makes sense did they do this often??

I think before then they only leased what they had to, but 96 was showing some strong bookings before hand, and if TW800 didnt happen, Im quite sure we might have pulled a profit that quarter.



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineNWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3786 times:
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Images of TWA and JFK:







Quoting SmithAir747 (Thread starter):
I have very special, fond memories of TWA. Why? They introduced me to international air travel back in the 1990s; I made my first overseas flight on TWA.

In March and April 1994, as a high school graduation gift, I took a trip to Spain with some classmates and chaperones (including a very attractive South American woman! ). We flew TWA, IND-JFK-MAD round trip. The JFK-MAD and MAD-JFK legs were on 747-131s. This is the only time I've ever been on a 747--and it was a lifelong dream, fulfilled, to fly on a 747--my favourite aircraft of all time!

The memories are so vivid, it is as if the trip happened only yesterday. I have such a photographic memory. What I especially remember fondly are the Trans World Flight Center (Terminal 5) at JFK and the TWA 747-131.

JFK Terminal 5--Trans World Flight Center

This was the first thing I ever saw at JFK airport. When my DC-9 from IND landed, we deplaned at Terminal 6 (what was then TWA's domestic terminal). We actually boarded a Plane-Mate style "bus" directly from a jetway at T6 and rode across the apron to T5, where we entered the terminal directly from the Plane-Mate via a jetway into the concourse. I got my first glimpse of JFK traffic from the bus, and I saw my first L-1011s and 747s, parked at T5. Compared to any airport I had ever traveled through (this was my 2nd air trip, by the way), JFK was HUGE!


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Remember a scene like this, back when TWA had their thriving base at JFK? I sure do! I remember the evening transatlantic rush from T5 very well!

If you've ever noticed, the larger concourse, named Flight Wing One, looks like a huge guitar! Inside, I remember the acres of red-carpeted floor, the floor-to-ceiling windows tinted green all around the edge of the "guitar", and especially, the ceiling which was riddled with holes for the lights--very much like a constellation of stars overhead! In the center were the toilets, bar, and restaurant areas. Along the top of the floor-to-ceiling windows were parallel red stripes and "TWA". Outside it was pitch dark (it was late March, still early spring). Around the outside of the "guitar" were the jetways, one or two at each corner. There were actually two layers of windows, forming a glass hallway around the "guitar's" perimeter. The concrete tube leading from the "guitar" concourse to the main part of T5 was the "guitar's" neck, in my view. The other concourse, Flight Wing Two, was much smaller and looked more like a concrete-and-glass "spider" with two longer arms sticking out, at the end of which were triangular gates.

Outside, as I was taxiing in my TWA 747 in the dark to the runway, I finally saw the outside of the main T5 building--with its lighted TWA sign. This space-age building was beautiful!

I have a weird memory about JFK T5--my hearing aid died there just before boarding! I had no hearing for the whole 10-day trip to Spain!

The TWA 747-131 in twin red stripes

The first time I ever saw a 747 for real was nose-to-nose through the window of the guitar concourse at T5; it was waiting at my gate for me! (I had always wanted to fly on one, but I had heretofore only seen 747s in National Geographic advertisements for Pan Am, TWA, and Northwest Orient; this dates me quite a bit, doesn't it?) This lovely lady stared back at me, her white nose bisected by the twin red stripes of TWA. This 747 did not have the black glare shield. Unfortunately, I never knew about registrations back then, so I never found out the registration of this 747.



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My TWA 747 looked exactly like the one in the above photo!



MyAviation.net photo:

Photo © Francis J. Smith



This is my photo of a TWA 747 next to mine when I came back to JFK at the end of the trip. My only TWA 747 photo I ever shot. As you can see, they rarely cleaned the windows on the terminal.

When I boarded the TWA 747 that evening for the JFK-MAD flight, I was awed by the elegant winding spiral staircase that greeted me when I entered via door L1. A lovely flight attendant greeted me and showed me where to go. In the nose were the First Class (Ambassador?) seats; they were big recliner-chair-style seats back then. Zone B was the Business Class section. These slightly smaller reclining seats were blue with red and white stripes down the middle of each. Economy, where I sat, had a mixture of red and blue seats.

The bins along the sides were larger than the ones I had seen in old 747 ads; these must have been a newer design at that time. The center overhead bins, however, were still the old style. The window surrounds (the panels around the windows) were a bit different than the ones I had normally seen in 747 ads.

The seats on TWA 747s were numbered, instead of lettered as normal. My seat was 49-3, the third seat in row 49.

Another thing I noticed was that the fuselage tapered aft, so the windows of doors L5 and R5 actually allowed me to look straight down at the endless ocean below.

I had my first ever inflight meals and movies on this TWA 747!

Upon landing at MAD, we parked at a remote stand, between an IB 727-200 and a TG 747-400. We deplaned via stairs to a waiting articulated bus, very similar in design to an American 5th-wheel travel trailer!

Such memories...

Please share your memories of TWA at JFK!

SmithAir747

Your entire article is worthy of highlighting  Smile It's good to know that TWA isn't remembered only by "old gits"  Wink

I have similar memories of TWA at JFK except I didn't fly overseas, only to/from LAX and PHL.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 1):
Great airline that TWA!

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Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 1):
Great airline that TWA!

I chose to fly TWA in 1984 (I was 18 yrs old then) because I wanted to fly in a TWA 707. I didn't know they had been retired. Seeing The TWA terminal designed by Eero Saarinen in person was something else; it is much different than looking at an image in a magazine or book.

SmithAir747, you have memories that some will not ever be able to buy-a first 747 flight on TWA and it is from JFK on an international flight. I've never flown internationally on TWA and I'm forty years old. You at least have that as a memory and no one can take it away from you.  Smile

Long live TWA  airplane 

Russell



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