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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10630 times:
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I believe its now time for an official New Zealand Aviation Thread due to recent events. These recent events include NZ announcing a seasonal AKL-YVR route, which will operate from November to March, with starting services at 3 per week using the B772ERs. NZ has recently taken delivery of its last B772ER. NZ is still receiving its new fleet of Q300s to replace its fleet of Saab340s that are operated by one of its regional carriers called Air Nelson. NZ has recently ordered a further 4x B787-9s to bring its total B787-9 order to 8x. NZ is currently adding extra Y+ seating to its B744s. New Zealand based Pacific Blue has recently celebrated its 3rd birthday with Sir Richard Branson helping to party. SRB also talked about Pacific Blue starting NZ domestic flights. Last year, Nelson (NSN) based Origin Pacific folded. Early this year NZs domestic oneway fares dropped on all routes, and was quickly followed by Jetconnect (Qantas) dropping its fares.

Let the discussons begin

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User currently offlineAKLDELNonstop From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10606 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):

Finally! Been waiting for this for a while. But since I dont have too many facts I couldn't start the thread. I guess initially it would be a good idea to list the fleet(atleast the jets, including those on order) in NZ and the major long-haul routes.
Cheers


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10562 times:
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Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 1):
would be a good idea to list the fleet

NZs operating fleet as off February 24th and whats on order. Also includes the extra B787s that NZ havn't put onto their list yet.

B747-400, 4 owned and 4 leased, average age is 12.8years, average daily use is 14.75 hours
B777-200ER, 4 owned and 5 leased, average age is .8 years, average daily use is 14.44 hours
B787-9, 0 owned and 0 leased, with 8 on order, average age is 0 years and average daily use is 0 hours
B767-300ER, 5 owned and 1 leased, average age is 10.5 years, average daily use is 13.73 hours
Airbus A320, 2 owned and 10 leased, average age is 2.5 years, average daily use is 10.2 hours
B737-300, 5 owned and 9 leased, average age is 9.1 years and average daily use is 7.95 hours

ATR72-500, 3 owned and 8 leased, average age is 6.1 years and average daily use 7:18 hours
Q300, 12 owned, with 8 on order, average age is 0.7, average daily use is 7:47 hours
Saab340A, 6 owned and 3 leased, average age is 18.8 years, average daily use is 5:65 hours
Beech1900D, 16 owned, average age is 4.8 years, average daily use is 7:05 hours

Totals 57 owned, 39 leased, 16 on order, average age 6.9 years, average daily use 9:06 hours


User currently offline767ER From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10553 times:

Any idea when 763 ZK NCO will leave the fleet?


Aircraft flown:F27,Viscount. EMB120, SAAB340, ATR70, 737-200.737-300,DC8, DC10,747-100,747-200,747-300,747-400, A320, A3
User currently offlineMacilree From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 243 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10545 times:

To keep this thread going, here are some New Zealand-focussed airline-related resources that I and others have compiled that are available on the web.

Airdata has some very good AKL focused information, including photographs.

To inform discussions about current and potential new air routes to and from New Zealand have a look at the monthly external migration statistics issued by Statistics New Zealand and the monthly analysis done by the NZ Ministry of Tourism. This information is primarily based on the entry/departure cards all international passengers have to fill out and gives us an excellent set of data. Unlike Australia, for example, New Zealand does not make this information public for individual airlines so I cannot share that information.

On my homepages you will find a list of and links to International Airlines Serving New Zealand and a list of New Zealand's Air Services Agreements. My Transport page includes links to all the ministerial media statements issued in recent years about new air services arrangements my colleagues and I have negotiated on behalf of New Zealand.

John Macilree's Weblog



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User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2277 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10529 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):

B747-400, 4 owned and 4 leased, average age is 12.8years, average daily use is 14.75 hours
B777-200ER, 4 owned and 5 leased, average age is .8 years, average daily use is 14.44 hours
B787-9, 0 owned and 0 leased, with 8 on order, average age is 0 years and average daily use is 0 hours
B767-300ER, 5 owned and 1 leased, average age is 10.5 years, average daily use is 13.73 hours
Airbus A320, 2 owned and 10 leased, average age is 2.5 years, average daily use is 10.2 hours
B737-300, 5 owned and 9 leased, average age is 9.1 years and average daily use is 7.95 hours

Good idea Jase to start this thread. A small correction, we only have 8 772ER's, not 9. 4 owned and 4 leased.

Regards
NZ1


User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2277 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10523 times:
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Can also now say that the new livery (yawn, boring, I know it keeps coming up), will definitely be going ahead and will appear on the domestic fleet from late October. All interantional aircraft are to be done overseas, and all domestic aircraft will be painted in Christchurch.

NZ1


User currently offlineZKNZA From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10501 times:

What a great idea about time we had an NZ thread.

Quoting 767ER (Reply 3):
767ER From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted Sat Feb 24 2007 14:17:49 your local time (29 minutes 51 secs ago) and read 31 times:


Any idea when 763 ZK NCO will leave the fleet?

I believe that its EOL (End Of Lease) check is late September early October, ill have to go check again though.
Anyone got any info as to the future of the ATR fleet, my understanding is that Air Nelson holds options on 14? Q400s.
Also can anybody speculate on the future on the A320 fleet.
Air NZ is very happy with both 737 and A320,however there have been some recent improvements to the 737 with the 900ER and 700ER becoming available.
These aircraft are very appealing to Air NZ due to their better payload / range stats than the A320 and also their commonality with the 737-700 which could replace 737-300 aircraft .The 733 is used on domestic services and NLK,CHC-BNE,AKL-NAN-RAR-AKL,IUE,TBU and some Tasman services as a back up a/c.
The A320 is sometimes used on domestic services, but is considered to big to replace 733 fleet.
As a side note there is some rumors that the 733 fleet will be converted to Y 142 seats from 136 with the addition of one row of seats.


User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10498 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
Can also now say that the new livery (yawn, boring, I know it keeps coming up), will definitely be going ahead and will appear on the domestic fleet from late October. All interantional aircraft are to be done overseas, and all domestic aircraft will be painted in Christchurch.

Hooray!!!, now the only questions is "what will it look like?"....



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10477 times:

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 7):
As a side note there is some rumors that the 733 fleet will be converted to Y 142 seats from 136 with the addition of one row of seats.

It's not a rumour - it's happening.



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User currently offlineZKNZA From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10455 times:

Quoting TG992 (Reply 9):
It's not a rumour - it's happening.

Yeah I know , they are looking at adding arow to another couple of aircraft types(not widebody)as well.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10428 times:

The increase in seats from 136 to 142 is similar to the increase the 737-200s had from 112 seats to 121 all those years ago. The 300 may be bigger and quieter than the 200, but the 200 is still the greatest. I had a ride in one of the Ozjet 732s when they were demonstrating it. That had only 60 seats. Nice accelearation when we took off and nice firm stopping when we landed, and good to see the bucket thrust reversers.

When you are choosing the new plane for NZ domestic services, the short stage legs must make it a very difficult decision. In Dunedin, we have lost most of our jet services because the 733 is too much plane for DUD-CHC. I am a bit afraid the 737-700 will be too much plane for DUD-WLG. In 3 years, will we have Q400s between DUD and WLG?


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10412 times:

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 7):
As a side note there is some rumors that the 733 fleet will be converted to Y 142 seats from 136 with the addition of one row of seats.



Quoting TG992 (Reply 9):

It's not a rumour - it's happening.



Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 10):
Yeah I know , they are looking at adding arow to another couple of aircraft types(not widebody)as well.

If you knew, why did you say it was a rumour?  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineAxio From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10397 times:

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 11):
In 3 years, will we have Q400s between DUD and WLG?

Or perhaps, sometime in the future, trunk jets will go Embraer - say E195 at either 108 or 118 pax.



Time for a new viewing deck at AKL!
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10387 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 5):
A small correction, we only have 8 772ER's, not 9. 4 owned and 4 leased.

Ah, thanks for the correction, have no idea where I got 5 from.

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
new livery (yawn, boring, I know it keeps coming up), will definitely be going ahead and will appear on the domestic fleet from late October.

Yay. Do you know what B737/A320 will get the new livery first?

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 7):
These aircraft are very appealing to Air NZ due to their better payload / range stats than the A320 and also their commonality with the 737-700 which could replace 737-300 aircraft .

When do the A320 family options expire? Wouldn't it be more easier to replace the B733s with A319s and use both A319s and A320 pilots fly either aircraft

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 7):
As a side note there is some rumors that the 733 fleet will be converted to Y 142 seats from 136 with the addition of one row of seats.

What will the new seat inch be then?

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 11):
we have lost most of our jet services because the 733 is too much plane for DUD-CHC. I am a bit afraid the 737-700 will be too much plane for DUD-WLG. In 3 years, will we have Q400s between DUD and WLG?

Even if DUD looses B737 services, there will still be A320 services. I can't see much off a difference between seating numbers in the -300 and -700 series. When I flew WLG-DUD in a B733 last year, the load was excellent


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4867 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10383 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
Can also now say that the new livery (yawn, boring, I know it keeps coming up), will definitely be going ahead and will appear on the domestic fleet from late October. All interantional aircraft are to be done overseas, and all domestic aircraft will be painted in Christchurch.

NZ1

Finally!!!! About time, not that the old scheme was bad... in fact I quite like it. Still is a shame that it couldn't have been sorted out sooner to save on having to repaint brand new 777 aircraft which came with a free paintjob!  Wink

Further things to watch for at NZ...
8x744 replacement... does NZ go for 8x 748I, or the more likely 8-12x 773ER?
787... NZ has orders for 8x789... talk is that with the 763ERs leaving the fleet withing 3 years (correct NZ1?) that NZ will be leasing 4x788 (possibly more) from 2008. Aparently NZ is looking at doubling its 789 order (although I have my doubts), NZ does have the options, but I'm thinking NZ may go for say another 4x 789 and then order 4-8x 787-10 whilst removing the 772ER from the fleet to have longhaul only operating 787 and possibly 773ER or 748I...
Anyways looks like NZ has done a good job of turning itself around over the past 6 years and is now a strong airline. Pity management is treating most of its staff like crap at the moment, particularly Airport Services and previously the engineers (and of course not forgetting ZEAL).



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25710 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10360 times:
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Is Kiwi Pacific a non-starter?

Their website is still promising action in December - 2006:

http://www.kiwipacific.co.nz/default.asp

mariner



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7111 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10356 times:

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 11):
In 3 years, will we have Q400s between DUD and WLG

Is the replacement happening that soon? The ATRs are still quite young, only 6 years old average. I would think NZ would keep them for a while yet.

Correct me if I'm wrong


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10350 times:
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Quoting Mariner (Reply 16):

I believe that was proven to be an 'Arm chair CEO'. Airworks are the only airline that operates Fairchilds, Fokkers and spare B737. The Airworks CEO said that he has never heard of Kiwi Pacific and has never been in talks


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10320 times:

New Zealand aviation, well, well, well.....

Let's hope this thread doesn't bomb out like the Chile one! But back to the point, as I stated in the other thread I believe that NZ is looking at the following routes :

AKL to :
-PEK
-EZE
-GRU
-ICN
-SEA
-DEN
-SIN
-KUL
-CGK
-CAN

CHC to :
-HKG

PVG to :
-MAN

EZE to :
-FRA

SYD to :
-LAX

MEL to :
-JNB
-BOM
-DEL

PPT to :
-SFO

ADL to :
-DXB

GRU to :
-GIG

Obviously some of these will not be able to work untill the 787 comes online, but I think it is safe to say that we will see at least a few of these in the next 18-24 months. Ok, maybe only 1 or 2, but still!

Also, in relation to DUD, I highly doubt they will lose domestic jet services. Whilst WLG and CHC may not warrant a demand for a 733 to DUD, AKL will and always will. I don't see NZ ordering aircraft as big as the 73G or 319 for domestic ops, I think they'll go Embrarer personally, but don't quote me on it!

When are ROT going to be getting trans tasman flights? I remember QF saying a while ago that they were interested.

Finally, I was dissapointed when EY said that they will not continue their new SYD flight onto AKL, but I am still living in hope that NZ will see a new long haul carrier soon. Maybe QR as an extension from MEL/SYD? AC from YVR to operate year round? CA to PEK? CZ to CAN? I hope someone comes.


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10291 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 19):
AC from YVR to operate year round?

maybe sometime before this happens

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 19):
Maybe QR as an extension from MEL/SYD?

Well QR has planned 3 weekly flights to MEL if I'm not mistaken.


User currently offlineZKNZA From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10290 times:

Quoting TG992 (Reply 12):
Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 7):
As a side note there is some rumors that the 733 fleet will be converted to Y 142 seats from 136 with the addition of one row of seats.




Quoting TG992 (Reply 9):

It's not a rumour - it's happening.



Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 10):
Yeah I know , they are looking at adding arow to another couple of aircraft types(not widebody)as well.

If you knew, why did you say it was a rumour?

Sorry there TG992.
I thought I should mention to see if anyone was interested ,I didn't want to confirm it because in my job I'm exposed to a fair degree of commercially sensitive information that I dont necessarily want to confirm or divulge.


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10284 times:

Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 21):
,I didn't want to confirm it because in my job I'm exposed to a fair degree of commercially sensitive information that I dont necessarily want to confirm or divulge.

That's very interesting, because your profile in the last week has changed from 'cabin crew' to 'airline employee', and in another thread you went to far as to reveal the contents of an alleged private chat between Ed Sims and yourself detailing future aircraft purchase plans, in addition to spilling your guts about YVR prior to the official announcement. And you then expect me to believe you don't want to confirm an extra row of seats being added to 737s? Give me a break..



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User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2277 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10285 times:
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Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 10):
Yeah I know , they are looking at adding arow to another couple of aircraft types(not widebody)as well.

The ATR's are currently being re-configured to 68 seats from 66. Aircraft number 3 of 11 is being done next week in Christchurch.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):
Yay. Do you know what B737/A320 will get the new livery first?

Too soon to say at this stage.

NZ1


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10275 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):

I think we may see another change if the ABs win the world cup with frequent trips across the Tasman  Wink


25 Cchan : Are these going to favour passengers with shorter legs or will the seat pitch be unchanged? Looks like both the 733 and ATR will stay for a few more
26 Post contains links Macilree : Any thoughts on future domestic destinations for Air New Zealand Link, given that WKA (Wanaka) has been added and a service has been resumed to OAM (O
27 VHVXB : I won't be straight away as they will be used on the HKG-JFK route
28 TG992 : Don't forget you can't look at the cost of operating a half empty AKL-RAR-AKL sector in isolation. You have to also look at the opportunity cost. Wou
29 Planemanofnz : The Chathams maybe? Great Barrier? Stewart Island? Paraparaumu? I don't know exactly, but I doubt there will be much more expasion domestically. Also
30 Post contains links Macilree : Another issue that raises its head with monotonous regularity is the possibility of additional international airports in New Zealand. In recent weeks
31 Flyjetstar : I'd be surprised to see anything else come out of CHC. Each time NZ has tried something long-haul it hasn't worked so I don't think they'll do it aga
32 777ER : Better add ORD to that list, as it seems NZ are more interetsed in ORD being the next US landing spot with B789s Jetconnect have 2x B734s in the flee
33 Post contains links Macilree : HBA brings back memories of in the early 1980s as a new grad having to look through individual passenger entry and departure cards for the HBA-CHC se
34 777ER : Chatham Islands are served very well by Air Chatams. Chatham Islands only have a limited amount of motels/B&Bs etc and visitors need a permit to visi
35 NZAA : Lol good luck trying to get a link plane down there. Lolz the runway is only 9m wide.
36 NZ1 : The ATR's are having half the R/H rear galley removed to fit in the extra seats, therefore the pitch stays the same. With the 733's, the pitch will c
37 777ER : Its good that QF are bringing over more B734s. Any ideas on when the last B733 will be replaced?
38 ZKNZA : [quote=TG992,reply=22]Quoting ZKNZA (Reply 21): ,I didn't want to confirm it because in my job I'm exposed to a fair degree of commercially sensitive
39 TG992 : You're absolutely correct. I withdraw my comments and unreservedly apologize.
40 ZKNZA : Thats ok TG992 Its easy to get mixed up.There are a few different AirNZ regos as usernames on this site.
41 ZKEYE : Completely irrelevant to the subject I know but my god! Great to see some decent manners here on a.net!
42 RichardJF : NZ should look at something like a cessna caravan imo. Full pilot + student to fly them?. Should be possible to improve your natural network by moving
43 ZKNBX : All this talk about NZ going for EZE to FRA! I doubt that is on the cards before the 787... however, I understand that they continue to look at extend
44 Post contains images ZKSUJ : An idea none the less but it won't happen. I must admit that It would be nice flying a caravan for NZ on a 135 Single pilot IFR ops into places like
45 Cchan : How much longer is Air Chathams going to fly those Convair 580s for? I flew with them once in 1999, and God, I will never fly with them again! It doe
46 SunriseValley : John, do you know of links that provide data on air freight volumes between country pairs? Thanks..
47 Flyjetstar : I think I would beg to differ. Any airline which charges $800 for that route is really milking its market. I realize the numbers of people who travel
48 Post contains links Macilree : I am relatively sure that the air freight data between New Zealand and other individual countries is available on the Statistics New Zealand web site
49 Post contains links Macilree : I have a very strong personal preference for MUC over FRA. The new terminal buildings at MUC are excellent where as FRA is a rabbit warren. Also retu
50 MotorHussy : If Virgin-Pacific-Blue starts on the New Zealand domestic market with EMB 170's, what do you think NZ and QF will react with? Virgin will presumably i
51 Planemanofnz : I wish Air New Zealand would start up a pilot cadet training programme like other airlines such as Qantas and Cathay Pacific. Aspiring pilots in thes
52 ZKSUJ : Because of the surplus. There are many many pilots in NZ building hours to get a job in link and then mainline. There is a large backlog of Commercia
53 Post contains links Alangirvan : Looking at www.amadeus.net or the booking engine on flightglobal, AirNZ already does codeshares with LH to Germany. Passengers can also get AirPoints
54 ZK-NBT : Good to see an NZ aviation thread! SQ are loaded on amadeus.net to be double daily to AKL with 772ER's from November 2007.
55 Cchan : No change or cut some flights or even pull out (for QF). The domestic market in NZ doesn't support 3 operators. Some years ago, Origin Pacific operat
56 ZKNZA : Something I was going to mention. This from the Feb 21st edition of the Independent Financial Review. "Maori to launch airline" Nelson iwi Ngati Koata
57 Cchan : Ex QO birds? Unless they can offer fares cheaper and fly at a higher frequency than QO did, it won't be viable for very long time.
58 ZKSUJ : NZ will eat them up before they know it. Especially seeing as they have a subsidiary based in Nelson as well. This is just as much news as the roumer
59 777ER : I actually think that this would be an excellent idea. Some of New Zealands remote places are some of the most beautiful places. I'm sure places like
60 Planemanofnz : Fantastic! Now all we need is a 77W. Brilliant! Lol, good news for me.
61 ZKSUJ : Not quite. There will be a 'shortage' in around 2011. But it will not be as vast as you make it out to be. There is an oversupply at the moment and e
62 NZ747 : Agreed, I flew one about 6 weeks ago between Suva and Nadi, Fiji (Operating on behalf of Air Fiji, by Air Chathams. Although perhaps equally as scary
63 ZK-NBT : Ok so I was bored, well not really but I have put together the AKL Northern Summer Schedules for 2007. Here is the arrivals, I hope to get around to d
64 EDICHC : Hear hear! Apologies to any A.net friends reading this from FRA! Nice city but your airport as a major hub frankly sucks. Sad to say but I would even
65 VHVXB : I was hoping to see NZ B772ER at SYD
66 Cchan : I wonder what happened to those J41 after QO stopped flying them? They looked ok when they were in service with QO. Does this change to a 772 from Se
67 Cchan : Are there any rare aircraft types in commercial service in NZ that are difficult to fly on elsewhere in the world? I can only think of two: Air Chatha
68 AerorobNZ : hahahaha...In direct competition with LH. That's a classic that is.....
69 Sparklehorse12 : How is Pacific Blue going? Each time I have taken the BNE to AKL to BNE flight it has only been full once....the rest of the time it has been between
70 ZKNZA : Whats even rarer is the Conviar 5800,which is a lengthened 580.However this aircraft is operated by Air Freight NZ, so no chances of flying on it as
71 777ER : The J41s were parked up like that.
72 Kiwiflyer791 : Air NZ apparently have pulled back on the 773ER, and will now not place an order for this type. The 747s will stay for a while yet. They are looking
73 SunriseValley : What is all the flip-flopping about? The fact is that leased -400's can go starting in 2010 unless extensions are planned on the younger three -NBV,
74 ZK-NBT : They may sub in on the odd flight. Yes it is loaded that way. Good Spotting. Also BI are surposed to be getting 772's sometime this year, so they sho
75 Flyjetstar : This is contrary to what was in a previous thread: Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 63): I wonder weather they will get an additional 772 or weather a route lik
76 Zkpilot : Last I heard was that the 767s will all be gone in 3 years time and that NZ will be ordering more 787's possibly leasing 4x788 to replace the 767s. I
77 Post contains images Axio : NZ475, normally AKL-WLG, seems to haven taken a little stop in PMR. (I just heard something noisy overhead and got excited ).... anyone know why? The
78 ZKNBX : I think you forgot CX early morning arrival (as well as the 1150 am) there are two flights per day.
79 Cchan : Don't think the 748 is anywhere near exciting, it is just another 747! What is the source of this information? It doesn't make sense to me. As a pass
80 RichardJF : With the new product I'm surprised NZ doesn't run CBR-AKL a few times a week connecting to the US flights.
81 ZKSUJ : Totally agree. When the 744s are replaced, the 748s will be a year or two old whilst the 77W will be nearing a decade. Why not opt for the new aircra
82 Post contains images ZKSUJ : I see wher you are comming from but if I asked any of my friends wether they want to travel on a 747 or a 777 they would: a) Pick the 744 because it'
83 ZK-NBT : Only 1 flight over the Winter, CX117/118 stops at the end of March. Seems to me someone doesn't like the 747. And again, who said it would cost more
84 NZ107 : Air NZ's long haul entertainment is getting better: Much more choice from 200 hrs up to 450.. Just hope it doesn't crash or have bugs like what QF is
85 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Sounds like there may be a FEW of us wishing for that
86 ZK-NBT : I will be sad to see the last 744 go aswell and am all for a 748 purchase. We'll have to wait and see, the aviation world certainly goes through its u
87 Cchan : On the other hand, there is also a misconception among some people that the larger the middle number is, the newer the aircraft is. That is because m
88 ZKSUJ : Not from the people I ask and talk to. They can distinctly tell a 747. Its the single leveled aircraft that is seemed to be grouped in as one. As I s
89 NZ107 : "4 Engines 4 Long Haul" perhaps? Some people just feel safer in one with 4.. That's if they even know other planes like 777s have only 2..
90 Cchan : That is probably why NZ gets away for charging passengers the same fare AKL-RAR whether it is a 320, 767, or 777. I do agree that most people don't c
91 777ER : NZ475 is operated by a B733 Latest news is, the residents are opposed to it, and the KCDC (Kapiti Coast District Council) but the new airport owner i
92 ZKSUJ : Hey Jase, are you able to give a rough estimate time of approx when this aircraft may have came into Palmy? Thanks
93 Kiwiflyer791 : Came from a conversation between a couple of people during the delivery flight of the last 777. The case for ordering the 773 did not make it to the
94 Post contains images Zkpilot : The 747 is exciting to most pax... I see it almost everyday I fly... pax come on board and are like "Wow this sure is a big one!" etc... especially A
95 777ER : NZ475 is due into WLG at 9pm. Arrival into Palmy would have been around 8.40-8.45pm
96 Nzrich : Well NZ used to fly the CHC - HBA route a while ago and talking from the crew the loads were always good not sure about the fares thou .. Im sure HBA
97 Post contains images Axio : It was 20:50, and left again at 21:30. I'm still curious as to why
98 NZ1 : Will look into it this afternoon, and get back to you. NZ1
99 ZKSUJ : As Zkpilot said above, there are other factors. However my feeling is that prices will rise with a 77W also for this reason. At this point in Time, N
100 Aerohottie : In todays media announcement Rob Fyfe stated that NZ were not likely to take on any more widebody aircraft until 2010. Also I was told that NZ will be
101 MotorHussy : That's a fairly simplistic description of passenger motivation and is mostly right although the ascribed points change in order of priority contingen
102 ZK-NBT : And here are the departures. Once again if I have left any out please feel free to post them or any mistakes. NZ40 PPT 0015 ------6-- 763 NZ60 APW 003
103 ZKSUJ : In other news, they made a profit this quater up 35% from what it was a year ago. I'm not an airline economist so i don't know how good it is, but it'
104 Nzrich : Actually the reason i did not say carrier is some people do book a airline because its their national airline .. The reason people usually book a par
105 ZKNZA : Why is this a huge mistake? Age of an aircraft is irrelevent to me, as long as the aircraft is maintained by a reputable maintenance organisation and
106 AerorobNZ : That's right. Most passengers think we ordered 8 new 747s just so we could give them new PTVs....lol
107 ZKNBX : Kewl ! I have said in this forum on 3 previous occasions that - given NZ's timeframe - it makes more sense for them to buy the 748i +787 combination,
108 Cchan : This flight operates on Thu and Sun in April and July, Sun only other months. This is not true. NZ does not directly compete with BA, The QF 747s to
109 ZKSUJ : What would the capacity drop be like? I would imagine it COULD be close to a hundred.
110 Cchan : That's why I can see the 77W coming into NZ's fleet, unless Boeing designs a larger 787.
111 NZ107 : Yes, all the way back to this one again.. It wouldn't make that much sense investing in a whole lot of new planes so frequently. With the current 744
112 Alaskaqantas : i know that this is question is pretty old, but: When you come down to land in ROT you will notice that you have lake on one side, road on the other,
113 Cchan : This is not the case if NZ is replacing 744s with 77W. Using the 77W for longer until they are replaced by something else will save more fuel than us
114 NZ107 : They haven't yet been tested but in maybe 5-10 years time it could become a profitable route, AKL-GIG/GRU. If Brazil can have a successful economic b
115 Cchan : What I think is, the reason for NZ to keep their 744s for longer would be to wait for a 787 at the capacity of a 77W or 744, thus skipping the 77W an
116 ZKNZA : So NZ doesn't compete with BA on HKG-LHR,LHR-HKG? NZ competes with any airline that is flying PAX to NZ & to a lesser extent Australia.They also comp
117 ZKSUJ : They probably won't as it would undercut sales for the 748. Just remember that for the 77W, it did take some time to get going. It was making it's wo
118 Mr AirNZ : Close but Caravan's are operated under Part 125 (likes of Soundsair, Air2there and also Eagle). NZ will never be short of pilot's. Never never never.
119 ZKNBX : Then you're misguided IMO, because in- flight cruise is the safe part. It's take off and landing, and the number of cycles an a/c has operated that a
120 Cchan : Not as much as with QF and CX. BA don't fly all the way to AKL, and the targeted passengers are somewhat different: BA targets more on passengers fly
121 777ER : A well maintained aircraft (like NZs aging B744 fleet) runs perfectly well as a brand new fleet of B744s. Age doesn;t make a single difference here.
122 Pilotdude09 : But the other thing is the cycles and flying hours which all stress the airframe, i would say the Dc 9's would be up there with some of Alohas 732's.
123 ZKNZA : You need to understand that it is important for NZ to target the HKG-LHR,LHR-HKG and LAX-LHR,LHR-LAX markets as well as the UK-NZ market, to ensure t
124 SunriseValley : From recent statements there will be no new wide bodies introduced before 2010 which is when leases on some of the -400's start running out. There is
125 777ER : Yes it is just a rumor.
126 SunriseValley : Oops...a typo; should read AKL-YVR.
127 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Don't think it even qualifies as a roumer Ralph Norris expressed interest in the 748 but thats not the issue anymore. This thing about the 748 seems
128 Koruman : Sunrise Valley's reference to my argument about opening Manchester services is significant. Manchester's catchment area includes Leeds, Liverpool and
129 ZKNBX : yes but there is a solid market from PVG to MUC and FRA!
130 Koruman : There certainly is a solid market from Shanghai to Frankfurt and Munich. A solid Lufthansa market. It would be commercial suicide for Air NZ to compet
131 JoFMO : @ Koruman, as much as I agree with most of the stuff you say in regards to the Coral route, but here I don't agree. You over exaggerate HON Circle. It
132 ZKNBX : My thinking too... and that - I believe - is why NZ are seriously looking at it.
133 Kiwiflyer791 : Please don't bet your house on that statement! With the delay in announcing any new order which was picked for around the time of the recent financia
134 SunriseValley : You cannot include the 772ER's; don't forget they go off lease in 2012-2013 and I would anticipate that the owned 4-frames would be very marketable.
135 Aerojoe : Surely NZ has little need for 748 capacity. The only exception may be LHR at certain times of the year. That being case why would they go for 8x748. I
136 ZK-NBT : Hmm, interesting times then! Good to see NZ are still studying all possible options!
137 SunriseValley : Through which intermediate point? I reiterate what I said before, if there is no increase in lift commitments for EIS in 2011-2013 they are only mark
138 ZKSUJ : If they do opt for a 748, then maybe one LHR flight may be done with a 787 while SYD-LAX is reopened? Just a thought
139 ZK-NBT : I'd say if that were the case then they would operate both current LHR flights with 748's and SYD-LAX with a 787. I don't know what NZ will order but
140 Kiwiflyer791 : The 777s are on 12 year leases I think you will find they will hang around for a while. The 789s will be used to replace the remaining 767s and to op
141 SunriseValley : The ILFC filings to the SEC state that they have no 777 leases that extend beyond 2013. To me, this is author ative. Certainly this does not jive wit
142 Planemanofnz : Maybe NZ will decide not to order the A380, 748 or even the 77W. Instead they might order more smaller widebodies and increase frequencies. AKL-LAX -
143 SunriseValley : I can understand JFK/EWR but for the life of me ORD does not make any sense. In my view it is an exciting city in the middle of a tourist wasteland l
144 Kiwiflyer791 : CHAIRMAN’S LETTER 13 July 2004 Dear Shareholder On 2 June 2004, Air New Zealand announced a Fleet Order to acquire ten new aircraft: eight Boeing 77
145 Post contains images Magyarorszag : Hello the Kiwis Could anyone of you shed some light on Southern World Airlines. I know they had these two DC-8s, I even remember seeing N863E at the p
146 SunriseValley : THank you Kiwiflyer791, I stand corrected. Not sure why ILFC don't show it this way unless they record the most conservative scenario in the event th
147 Aerojoe : Regardless of the intermediate (I would suggest LAX or SFO most likely and neither is constrained by NZ/UK ASA as long as thru to MAN rather than LHR
148 ZKSUJ : I do see your point, but I think if NZ do opt for the 748, they MAY increase premium seating hence the capacity rise will not be too big from the cur
149 767ER : I don't expect anyone to spill the beans but will the new livery be better than the current one which i really like (very classy). Very interested to
150 Darenw : Christopher Niesche: Air NZ rises above turbulence thanks to its captains 5:00AM Saturday March 03, 2007 By Christopher Niesche It is remarkable that
151 Post contains links Planemanofnz : Guess what I just found! http://www.liladesign.com/liladesign.../Airline_Concepts/kiwiairways.html Is it really going to take off the ground though?
152 Post contains images TG992 : Um.. it's a design concept.. and is clearly stated as such. There's nothing to 'take off'.. Given that Lila Design's most famous former clients are V
153 NZ1 : The design on the link you posted is hideous. I can assure you that what is proposed looks NOTHING like that. NZ1
154 Planemanofnz : I rather like the design except for the engine, there shouldn't be a kiwi on it. Yea I suppose, still, it would be nice if we were to have another ai
155 ZKNZA : Air NZ will not go for 748s, it makes absolutly no sense, especially considering that if an order was placed it would be for no more than 4.They are
156 Planemanofnz : Do they even need the 77W?
157 ZK-NBT : Personally yes they do, if LAX-LHR is that much of a money maker, then since they can only have 1 daily flight on this route they need an aircraft la
158 Aerojoe : What would the premium seating be on a 748 if they were to maintain Y seat count at around the current 744 level (300 or so)?
159 777ER : That is kind of a silly question, yes they do need the B77W because of their busy routes like AKL-LAX-LHR, AKL-HKG-LHR etc. Would you expect NZ to dr
160 Flyjetstar : Is this fact or your opionion? It might be hlpeful for you to state which when posting.
161 ZKSUJ : Currently The 744 has 386 seats. 46 of these being business class and 31 premium economy. I don't know what they could increase it up to as this is j
162 777ER : Remember that ANZES are currently in the process of adding extra Y+ on the lower level. The new count will be around 36-40 Y+ seats
163 Aerojoe : With today's announcement of additional servcies to HKG and PVG the wide body fleet must be approaching near full utilisation. Is there still scope fo
164 Planemanofnz : 'Busy?' Whilst the 77W is a good aircraft for NZ in terms of capacity, the only route which would justify it would be either NZ1/2 or NZ38/39. Rememb
165 Flyjetstar : At what cost to the company? Running half empty planes around the place just so the have great frequency? What the?
166 Planemanofnz : If those 787/772's are half empty then I hate to think what the 77W's loads would be like if they have even less seating.
167 Post contains links 777ER : Air New Zealand's "dead rat" agreement with its airport workers looks dead in the water after delegates from one union voted against it. The Engineeri
168 Post contains links 777ER : Finance Minister Michael Cullen has already knocked back the idea of selling down the Government's stake in Air New Zealand but an aviation report say
169 Post contains links 777ER : Even thou this is being discussed on a different forum, I thought it would be good to add it onto this forum Air New Zealand said today it would incre
170 777ER : NZs fleet is small which means that they can't afford to offer frequency on their best routes, which means that they need large aircraft (around 300+
171 SunriseValley : This does not present too many problems around the Pacific rim but it does present problems for more than one stop service to the U.K. via the U.S. w
172 Koruman : Frequency is not and will not be an option between California and London, which is the airline's most profitable sector. The bilateral will never allo
173 777ER : I thought NZ was given permission to operate as many UK flights
174 Planemanofnz : NZ's fleet is small now and what I am trying to say is that they have the option to expand it using smaller aircraft instead of having a small 747/77
175 Koruman : NZ has unlimited UK-NZ rights, but only one daily California to Heathrow flight allowed. The experiment of putting a 747 on AKL-HKG-LHR but only a 777
176 V2fix : Interesting to note that on Air NZ's Interim Results presentation the loss of PPT-LAX as a 'route with no potential' (their words not mine Koruman - i
177 ZKNBX : Not sure it's silly . Koruman presents a valid argument. It's not all about Boeing and not all about the 77W so we all have to get real. Air NZ alrea
178 777ER : NZ can't afford and doesn't have the choice of being able to operate so many aircraft like long haul because NZ simply doesn't have the money needed
179 NZ107 : If I owned an airline, you certainly wouldn't be my fleet manager. Sometimes it's impossible to get frequencies to places and although it might be co
180 Axio : I agree. Frequency makes sense on short routes and on sectors predominated by single-day-return travel. When you are talking about going through twel
181 MotorHussy : NZ0090 AKL-NRT departs daily at 09:15 hrs. You can check your luggage straight through from all NZ's ports in the country on flights arriving into AK
182 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : possibly cost more , don't forget that you are going to need twice as many flight crew - 1 744 = 1 x 2 crew cockpit replace with 2 787s and you have
183 Axio : From the *A timetable dated March 1 - May 13 2007 To Tokyo Narita JP (NRT) 5496 miles 0815 1625 NZ99 772 Daily 0 BD Above 3/18 - 3/24 0830 1640 NZ99
184 Post contains links 777ER : Six potentially disease-carrying mosquitoes swarmed through the cockpit of a Christchurch-bound plane on Sunday, biting an Australian pilot before bei
185 Planemanofnz : I would bet you that if oil prices were what they are now, back in the 90's, NZ would have ordered 319's or 73G's at the time to replace the 732's. I
186 777ER : If the B733s were costly to operate on those routes then wouldn't you think NZ would prefer to operate the A320s instead? B777s during northern winte
187 NZ1 : No need to suspect, I can confirm it was indeed Virgin Blue. It's here for it's Live TV upgrade and H check. NZ1
188 777ER : Thanks mate. Whats the 'H' check?
189 Flyjetstar : NZ1, Is there a possibility that NZ would get long-haul Airbus aircraft or are their needs taken care of by the 787 orders and options?
190 ZKNZA : For the price NZ paid for the aircraft, they made a lot of sense and they still make a lot of sense today.Remember also that A319s and NGs are also h
191 NZ1 : Virgin Blue's maintenance program is made up of H1, H2 and H4 checks. These are kinda like a C check but broken into smaller sizes, if that makes any
192 Flyjetstar : Sweet. Thanks.
193 ZKSUJ : Hey NZ1 Any idea when the Eagle and Mount Cook fleet may be getting replaced? I get the impression that it is soonish but my brain tells me the a/c ar
194 Aerojoe : If NZ were to go for a 747-8 fleet would this be at the expense of the 777 (I guess a future 77W order) or in addition to 77W so as to service routes
195 SunriseValley : That is a logical development given that in another posting it was revealed that the 777-300ER proposal did not make it to the Board. The deciding fa
196 Koruman : They can't grow SFO/LAX-LHR beyond 1 flight per day - they won't even be considered for the traffic rights. The problem is that the 747-8 is too big f
197 777ER : As I'm off work sick this week, I've just seen on the 12pm One News that NZ is changing its in-flight services on domestic routes. NZ is axing its fre
198 Post contains links 777ER : http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411749/1017217
199 Aerojoe : Koruman I agree with your assessment of NZ's need for the capacity that a 747-8 would provide (as much as I would luv to see it in NZ colours - maybe
200 777ER : With posts now reaching the 200 mark, I'm about to write up thread #2
201 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Oh Gosh. One step closer to a pure LCC on domestic routes
202 Zkpilot : It wouldn't be such a big jump... NZ would also operate 7810 in between 789 and 748I... The 7810 (when it finally comes around) will most likely hold
203 Post contains links Zkpilot : New Zealand Aviation Thread #2 (by 777ER Mar 9 2007 in Civil Aviation) this is the new New Zealand Aviation Thread #2
204 Alangirvan : You should see one of the CO threads a few weeks ago- - about Chelsea Catering. Because CO is one of the few US carriers that did not sell off its ca
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