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UPS To Retire All 727s By Aug  
User currently offlineShortSquat From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 25 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8596 times:

Late breaking news from the land of Brown. Sad to see the Three Holer leave yet another airline, http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/showthread.php?t=9977

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User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8417 times:
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The story states that all the 727s will be placed in short term storage - what exactly does that mean? How long are aircraft generally kept in storage before they are finally scrapped?

Quoting ShortSquat (Thread starter):
Sad to see the Three Holer leave yet another airline,

I agree that it's sad to see these great planes go, but they are probably in need of replacement. They are the old -100 series and as the story suggests, most have been in service for about 40 years.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8393 times:

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 1):
They are the old -100 series and as the story suggests, most have been in service for about 40 years.

True but it is not that long ago that UPS reengined them with RR Tays. I wonder if that now seems like a wasted investment.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8364 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
True but it is not that long ago that UPS reengined them with RR Tays. I wonder if that now seems like a wasted investment.

It has actually been longer than most think, but I am betting the reengining program paid for itself well. Question is, how are they replacing them.



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User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8368 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 2):
I wonder if that now seems like a wasted investment.

Probably not. UPS is so big and has so much money I don't think anyone in the company will even think twice about it. Putting the new engines on those old birds back in the early '90s would almost be like fitting winglets on a 737-300 nowadays - a big investment in the short term, but a huge money saver in the long run (say 5 to 10 years down the road).


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7991 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7929 times:

I UPS will retire those re-engined 727-100's because their airframe life has reached the point where any more D-check overhauls won't be worth the money.

User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2331 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7907 times:

Too bad the inevitable is about to happen. At least there is still Fed Ex for some good 727 sighting. Has UPS only operated the -100 series?


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User currently offlineKatwspotter From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7886 times:

Truley sad to see more 727's being taken out of service. At least I get to hear and feel the raw power of them when FedEx flies over my house every week night.


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7754 times:

Quoting Katwspotter (Reply 7):
Truley sad to see more 727's being taken out of service. At least I get to hear and feel the raw power of them when FedEx flies over my house every week night.

UPS should keep a -100 around just for our spotters sake...



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7703 times:

I miss the 727. I had the pleasure of flying on CO's, DL's and TWA's 727's several times in the 70's and 80's.  Smile


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User currently offlineBaw2198 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 637 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7540 times:

It was fun working the -100's at PIT when UPS had the convertables doing charter work on the weekends down to CAN and the dominican republic. The one unique thing that stands out in my mind about the -100 was having to slide the speed faring aft to get at the rear baggage hold. The latches on the faring would hangup periodically making it fun to deal with in the winter time.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7533 times:

Quoting Baw2198 (Reply 10):
It was fun working the -100's at PIT when UPS had the convertables doing charter work on the weekends down to CAN

That must have been a hell of a long trip in a 721  Wink



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7441 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):

I think he meant Cancun. I'm going to miss those a/c from MCO. Everytime I drove past MCO, I would be able to see one 721 sitting on the lone ramp.

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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2902 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7360 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 6):
Too bad the inevitable is about to happen. At least there is still Fed Ex for some good 727 sighting. Has UPS only operated the -100 series?

UPS operated a few -200 series aircraft till just about right after 9/11. This small subfleet was retired mainly because it was a dozen or less aircraft, and the only one in the fleet using the JT8D. They were able to cut a bit of capacity when they needed to, plus eliminated the spares and maintainence of a (for them) oddball engine type.



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User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7249 times:
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Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 6):
At least there is still Fed Ex for some good 727 sighting

Probably won't be the case for all that long too, though. Isn't FedEx planning on retiring the 727s once the 757s they've ordered come online?


User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

5 722's were in fleet with UPS. They were not economical since we had the 757.Those were sold to Varig and Transmile. The 757 will move to what cities are left on the 721 fleet. There are only 16 frames that we are talking about . The first re-engined RR Tay 721 flew in 1992 and 52 of them were re-engined. So a 15 year run with a 15 percent reduction in fuel burn for 10 mil per aircraft, the program paid for it's self.

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6711 times:
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I remember when UPS experimented with their 727 fleet as passenger flyers during the day. They worked the deal with some charter company and even had flight attendants.

It was rather cool, but I missed the opportunity to fly UPS.....



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User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6503 times:
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Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
I remember when UPS experimented with their 727 fleet as passenger flyers during the day. They worked the deal with some charter company and even had flight attendants.

It was rather cool, but I missed the opportunity to fly UPS.....

There's a really good story posted somewhere here on Anet about the history of UPS and the author goes into great detail about that. I'll have to see if I can find a link to it.

http://www.airliners.net/articles/read.main?id=66

There it is.

edit: added link

[Edited 2007-02-24 17:03:31]

User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 6):
Too bad the inevitable is about to happen. At least there is still Fed Ex for some good 727 sighting. Has UPS only operated the -100 series?


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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

Any potential buyers in Africa?

User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3521 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5767 times:

Quoting UPS Pilot (Reply 15):
So a 15 year run with a 15 percent reduction in fuel burn for 10 mil per aircraft, the program paid for it's self.

Add to this that it became Stage III so its landing fees dropped considerably on some airports, as well... They were used for years in CGN, and this would not have been possible if they had kept the old engines.


User currently offlineBaw2198 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 637 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5681 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
That must have been a hell of a long trip in a 721



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 12):
I think he meant Cancun.

Yup  bigthumbsup 


I don't know the icao 3 letter, but I sure remember the bag tags  Big grin

The return trip and then double handling the bags because of customs, we read a lot of these.


Anybody know why UPS adopted the habit of disconnecting the scissor link during push?



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User currently offlineScottieprecord From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 1363 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5181 times:

Very sad to hear this. My father was one of the project managers for the reengining project... even has his name on the patent. I personally am going to greatly miss them. They always meant a lot to me.


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User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5112 times:

I have a feeling that these well maintained aircraft will find a new life operating in Africa, Middle East or Asia without too much trouble  Smile


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4983 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 19):
Any potential buyers in Africa?



Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 23):
I have a feeling that these well maintained aircraft will find a new life operating in Africa, Middle East or Asia without too much trouble

 checkmark  Maybe also in the Caribbean. The field performance of these aircraft must be astonishing.



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25 ATCT : Ohh well, Rest in Peace good planes. Youve dont a great service and you will be missed. Glad to see Cappy, FedEx, and Astar still have some left. On a
26 Post contains images N1120A : I take it you mean the IATA 3 letter, since ICAO are 4 letter I know what he meant FYI: IATA: CUN ICAO: MMUN
27 F9Animal : I saw a UPS 727 at BFI last week. What a good looking sexy bird. I sure hope they find life elsewhere. They are becoming a very rare sight. I miss the
28 Fr8Mech : Because UPS had a mixed fleet. Very few had the bypass valve installed, so in order to avaid confusion and damage, the practice of disconnecting the
29 G5 : Worked for UPS for 3 years while in school. Loaded the 757 on the SDF run and 727-1 & (occasionally -2) on the RFD run. Was a thrilling job as an avia
30 CX747 : Sad to see the 27s leaving. As others have stated, I hope they find work elsewhere. Are these birds owned by UPS? If so, is there any possibility that
31 UPS Pilot : They are owned by UPS. This is short term storage for 16 frames. They won't be beercans yet but they will be once they have depreciated enough. Could
32 N1120A : Those aircraft are almost definately full depreciated.
33 FXramper : We'll be short behind them with the first few 757F flying by December.
34 SirOmega : This is what I was thinking - why not park them until November and the Christmas rush comes along and they need to move more. I assume the pilots wit
35 Vatry : Weren't these aircraft also upgraded with a Collins EFIS system and other cockpit mods?
36 Aogdesk : I'm not so sure about that......if they were 'conventional' 727s, they'd probably be snapped up....BUT they've got Tays, EFIS, HUD.....that'll make t
37 UPS Pilot : There is a AD that came out last may. Operators have 2 years to comply. If a check is due before the 2 years then it would have to be inspected at the
38 Candid76 : I'd expect that the re-engining of these aircraft will be their ultimate downfall, simply because their engines will be worth more than an original s
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