Connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3700 times:
Don't forget they are soon to be (or already are) down 1 757, as Zoom is picking up one of these. You can't fly everywhere if you don't have the metal to do it.
That said, Mr Ho, the owner, has a pile of $$ he made the old fashioned way and I'm sure he didn't get there by pissing it away. And Harmony seems to be bleeding. Also has lost its president recently (sign of a sinking ship, maybe?)
At the same time, Mr Ho does not want to lose face in his community. It poses a challenge for him. In the traditional Chinese script, the symbol for challenge is a combination of the symbols for opportunity and danger. Seems apt.
Multimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3468 times:
Harmony has been doing a bucketload of advertising recently. Either it is one last kick at the can, or they are determined to stay in business, focussing on YVR. I'd hate to see them go, but they're really getting squeezed between AC and WS.
Canada Mike From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3280 times:
I think Connies4ever is referring the remaining three (MYC, MYD and MYE), one of which will be acquired by Zoom...but don't quote me on that! I think TSN has been out of the HQ fleet for awhile now, no?
Someone please jump in and speak up if I've got it mixed up. I don't know if I'm right as that would leave Harmony with only 2 aircraft, unless they're planning on buying something new in the near future (doesn't sound like it...)
Jayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2999 times:
I think what's really been difficult for HQ is not getting the Asian routes when they thought they would. If they had the YVR-China flights up and running, everything else would act as feeder services.
Though they are an excellent airline with a lot of good people there, I wish them the best of luck.
"Trying is the first step towards failure" -Homer Simpson
Airman99o From Canada, joined Aug 1999, 981 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2926 times:
That aircraft that Zoom will be getting from HQ is C-GTSN. It is the old Air Transat 757. Skyservice has one of their first 757's C-GMYH. Funny, that they gave us their crap, and then Transat Gave them their last Junk 757. Too bad to hear this about Harmony, reading on their website, they look like they have an amazing product, Their First Class service sounds amazing, I would like to try them out before the fully pull out of Toronto. To all the workers there hope it all works out for their sakes
9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2810 times:
One gets the impression that Harmony has never been able to get traction in the market or find a way to grow. It's a bit of a niche player and that may seem the limit of it's potential. I've never heard anything negative about them,only praise for their product and service. The domestic Canadian market is very competitive and makes it difficult for Harmony to offer a superior product that has limited appeal as consumers want all the bells and whistles,yet will not pay for it(generalization). That's what limits their growth. Harmony seems to be playing a waiting game,gambling that China will be the answers to all their prayers. With the ongoing bilateral negotiations stuck in the mud it may be awhile,can Harmony wait or should they simply find a graceful way to exit the market with a buyout by Zoom. That would save face for the owner.
Airman99o From Canada, joined Aug 1999, 981 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2663 times:
This airline should have taken the route from YYT to LGW to compete with Air Canada, believe me the way that Air Canada has been dickin around the people of YYT I know they would make a Killing on this route. First class, big enough plane to handle Cargo, and a service that would give AC a run for their money. Now that Astreus has come in, with one class of service, I don't see them doing all that well with this, as AC will most likely kill them on that route. well onlyh time will tell.
YOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2644 times:
Quoting Airman99o (Reply 13): I don't see them doing all that well with this, as AC will most likely kill them on that route. well onlyh time will tell.
I disagree. Newfoundlanders are quoted as embracing the new service. Unlike AC, Astraeus will be year-round. Unlike AC, on Astraeus, you'll be able to connect to other flights out of LGW. Add to the fact, they've already been flying charters into YDF for the past 3 years, and I'd say they'll be on at least an equal footing with AC to NFLD.
I've never understood why Harmony has never given YOW/YUL-YVR, at least May-Oct, when their aircraft aren't doing as many sun flights. They tried jumping in on YVR-JFK, which has way more competition than either YOW/YUL-YVR and less O&D traffic. I think niche carriers are great, but Harmony haven't exactly defined what their niche is yet.
Nice to see Zoom getting a Harmony 752, which will initially be assigned to YYZ-south. Means they will almost undoubtedly search for more. The 752 is the perfect sized aircraft to add addtional transatlantic frequencies from their hometown.
Astral From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2451 times:
I am away and missed most of this till today. A few notes for all of you to ponder with -
1. The departure of Mr. Collins should not be read as 'negative'. Do remember HQ now has Mr. Henderson, who used to be Vice Chairman of Jim Patterson Group. Anyone in BC can tell you that who can work for Mr. Patterson successfully is no small potoato.
2. C-GTSN is an odd-ball among HQ's B757s, and letting the lease finish is not really a bad move. When you are down to three aircrafts, adjustment in schedule has to be made.
3. May I ask many of you to read more 'in-between' or 'behind' the lines - such as why the schedule is preliminary. Be a little more positive perhaps ? May be 'New aircrafts take time to arrive' ?!
3. YLW, YEG, PSP are always seasonal anyway, these will likely be back on in the winter to Hawaii. For YYC it is a toss-up now, as the market response needed more indepth review.
4. The code share with Air Pacific will benifit HQ year-round to HNL, giving its most profitable route a major backup during low season. Please again consider if HQ's major route (HNL and OGG) is already profitable, then burdens from the two other destinations can be substained if HQ don't venture too 'far away'.
Get hold of the latest issue (March, 2007) of Airways, it has an article on HQ in it. Read the part about Dr. Ho's financial and objective, then consider again down by one aircraft may not as bad as what it looks like on the surface.