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Question About 747-400 Freighter Conversions  
User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 590 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3356 times:
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Can someone explain to me the difference between a 747-400SF and a 747-400BCF? According to Jane's and a few other sources, a -400SF is simply a "converted freighter", which is what I thought a -400BCF was. Or is a BCF a freighter converted by Boeing and its associates?

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User currently offlineAndrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

At this moment, there are only 2 type of 747-400 Freighter conversion. It's either done with Boeing supervision (BCF) or it's done at IAL BEDEK.

B747-400BCF
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It is a B747-400 converted to a freighter using kits built by Boeing. The first contract for conversion is done by a contractor that Boeing appoints. The subsequent conversion can be done anywhere the airline choose to. The whole conversion is supervised by Boeing engineers and they certify the plane after the conversion is done up.

B747-400SF
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It is a B747-400 converted to a freighter using 747-200, 300 Side Cargo Door conversion kits. At this moment, it's done up in IAL's base in Tel Aviv. The certification of the plane is done by IAL. And it does not involve Boeing in the whole process.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8643 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

Quoting Andrewtang (Reply 1):
At this moment, it's done up in IAL's base in Tel Aviv.

You sure about that ? I was of the understanding that some were being done in Cyprus and Taiwan.



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User currently offlineAndrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

First frame of B747-400SF was done in Tel Aviv. Subsequent ones will also be done up at associate partner engineering bases such as by EGAT, Taiwan. But i think they are too busy until recently having just converted 2 B747-400 into LCF.

Probably there are some already done up in other places. If that's it , i stand corrected. However it's still using IAL's kits for conversion.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10365 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

How do these two versions of converted 747-400 freighters compare in terms of loads and performance? I assume the BCF might be slightly better as Boeing itself is involved.

Quoting Andrewtang (Reply 1):
It is a B747-400 converted to a freighter using 747-200, 300 Side Cargo Door conversion kits

The BCF has the same freightdoor I guess. Isn´t the side cargo door the same on all 747 series? Even the 744F still has the windows (blanked except a single one) as the very first 742 Combis had in the mid-70s.


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3596 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3053 times:
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I don't know about the IAL conversion, but the BCF conversion raises the floor of the upper deck to allow the same number of 10ft high positions as a 747-400F. The hump is not shortened, only the floor is raised. I believe that the floor is raised from behind the upper deck doors.

User currently offlineCurious From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Is there any 200's or 300's still being converted and is there any market/demand for them?

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10365 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

No 742 or 743 has been converted since late 2005. I wonder what´ll happen with the few last 743s built in the late 80s, like the two Combis Egyptair retired in 2004/05 which are just 17. Or the 1987-built Combi D2-TEB which TAAG Angola just returned to its lessor (I think D2-TEA is still operated by TAAG).

User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

KE is doing some BCF's in Pusan, Korea presently. HL7606 was done by TAECO at XMN and HL7412 ex VT-AID and HL7481 was done by KE themselves which only re-entered service towards the start of this month.

From my reseach I think that Bedek at TLV has only done so far the 2 ex Air Canada 744M's now with Air China as B-2477 and 2478.

The exterior way to tell is that the BCF's have 3 windows not blanked out in the rear section of the upper deck and the IAL Bedek ones have all the windows in the rear portion of the upper deck blanked out.

Couple of questions myself:

Was that awful looking TF-AMI converted by Bedek? That plane is in depserate need of a wash!

Does anyone know if/what which B744's are currently at TLV being converted?? I know EVA Air and some ex ANA ones were due to be done in 2007.

cheers

Tom/PER


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