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New Airline In The Works!  
User currently offlineContinental123 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 147 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 13684 times:

I just got word that a new airline, Air Culture, is in the building blocks and will be run by the Rosens (the former owners of RoseArt). They do not yet have a website but can be e-mailed at aircultureusa@yahoo.com if you have any questions. They are apparently intending to be based out of NYC or LA. I really hope the US can get a TRUE quality carrier besides CO.

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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 13653 times:

Air Culture? Who came up with that gem of a name?

[Edited 2007-02-25 05:54:31]


Hey Swifty
User currently offlineElectech6299 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 13610 times:

Any source for this info?

Quoting Continental123 (Thread starter):
They are apparently intending to be based out of NYC or LA

Sounds like competition (or replacement) for VA  Wink But making the same mistakes.... Why not HQ in Albuquerque, NM and base in STL? The NYC/LAX problems are overwhelming...waste of money all around and inviting delays and disasters!

As for "culture".....I still like Albuquerque better than NYC or LAX  Wink

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 1):
Air Culture? Who came up with that gem of name?

I'll try to refrain from posting all the aerobiology inferences that run through my mind...



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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 13569 times:

Do you know what fleet Air Culture will possibly have or have they chose any cities under consideration?


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User currently offlineContinental123 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13524 times:

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 3):
Do you know what fleet Air Culture will possibly have or have they chose any cities under consideration?

Try e-mailing them.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13466 times:

Quoting Continental123 (Thread starter):
They are apparently intending to be based out of NYC or LA.

Just what we need... aren't those markets overwhelmed enough with traffic???

Quoting Electech6299 (Reply 2):
Sounds like competition (or replacement) for VA But making the same mistakes.... Why not HQ in Albuquerque, NM and base in STL? The NYC/LAX problems are overwhelming...waste of money all around and inviting delays and disasters!

PIT would work!!!  spin  stirthepot  Wink



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User currently offlineTransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13422 times:

Quoting Continental123 (Thread starter):
Rosens (the former owners of RoseArt). They do not yet have a website but can be e-mailed at aircultureusa@yahoo.com

I'm curious as to why the former owners of RoseArt would like to start an airline? I have a feeling they'll just end up broke.


User currently onlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13392 times:

Annndd another airline about to go down the drain. If they even get started that is. Big grin (hate to be a downer)

KPDX  Smile



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13357 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 6):
I'm curious as to why the former owners of RoseArt would like to start an airline? I have a feeling they'll just end up broke.

I don't know about that... I wouldn't be so quick to judge that. We don't know what aircraft they intend to use, what type of markets they want to serve. It's not clear as to where they want to have their hq at. They indicate NYC and LA, and personally, I think both are already very saturated with several airlines... JFK already has a whole bunch of air service there, and is even the hq for B6. In addition to that, it has a DL hub, and an AA focus city. LGA has a US focus/shuttle city, as well as other substantial service from other airlines. EWR has a massive CO hub... LA area... let's see, UA hub, huge WN presence, LGB is slots restricted, according to numerous posts on the forum... Am I leaving out anyone? Oh yeah, besides the existing air service (in the NE), how about delays with all of the substantial intraregional traffic in the Northeast? It is the most urbanized part of the country, as if this is a surprise to anyone...

If they were to choose either one of those locations, I probably would say that they have a chance of being eaten alive by existing service, but I don't know; nobody knows for sure... People did say the same thing some 7 years ago when B6 took flight from JFK. Yeah, they're in a bit of a debacle now that they have to rectify, and they will, but still, they went strong and they will continue to go strong...



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13357 times:

Well, without knowing any specifics....

Such as where they intend to fly, or what type of service they plan on providing...I don't know what to say. Are they going to cater to leasure travel? Business markets? What type of fleet?


It'd be nice to have details  Smile


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 13323 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 9):
Such as where they intend to fly, or what type of service they plan on providing...I don't know what to say. Are they going to cater to leasure travel? Business markets? What type of fleet?


It'd be nice to have details

Bingo! You pretty much took my post and added some points that I missed, or pretty much built on my points stated above  Smile



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User currently offlineContinental123 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 13317 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 9):
Such as where they intend to fly, or what type of service they plan on providing...I don't know what to say. Are they going to cater to leasure travel? Business markets? What type of fleet?

That is the reason I gave their e-mail (aircultureusa@yahoo.com). They will answer all o your questions


User currently offlineContinental123 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 13224 times:

I'm sorry I just realized i misquoted them about their hub. They said they did NOT want to operate out of NY or LA but instead actually wanted to operate out of MCO or Sanford.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 12883 times:

Quoting Continental123 (Reply 11):

That is the reason I gave their e-mail (aircultureusa@yahoo.com).

A company having a Yahoo! email address doesn't elicit thoughts of a real entity; especially an airline (with that kind of email address, sounds like a virtual airline). It's hard to take a company serious when their email address is a Yahoo! one. If this group is really serious about starting an airline, they should have already at the very least had some semblances of a website up and associated email addresses as well.

In all honesty, Air Culture will probably never be anything more than a paper airline. Here's a partial list of airlines over the last 10 years that never got past or have yet to go past the paper stage:

Crystal Airways
Oneida Airlines
Northern Airlines
Heartland Airlines (Actually ordered some 717s. Some of the folks are involved with Skybus)
Air Gumbo
DirectAir
West Coast Airlines
Project Roam
California Airlines
CalJet
Air 4000/Han Airways
Oregon Express Air Lines


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 12616 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 13):
A company having a Yahoo! email address doesn't elicit thoughts of a real entity; especially an airline (with that kind of email address, sounds like a virtual airline). It's hard to take a company serious when their email address is a Yahoo! one. If this group is really serious about starting an airline, they should have already at the very least had some semblances of a website up and associated email addresses as well.

Like Skybus to an extent. At least they have their website at skybus.com...

To that list, can we add Victory Airlines? That airline that was supposed to be started up and based at either MEM or PIT? What ever happened to that? The last I heard of that, the person already go approval to lease a few 737s, and then nothing... Did this idea crash and burn? This was almost a year ago that this proposal occurred...



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User currently offlineContinental123 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 12440 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 13):
A company having a Yahoo! email address doesn't elicit thoughts of a real entity; especially an airline (with that kind of email address, sounds like a virtual airline). It's hard to take a company serious when their email address is a Yahoo! one. If this group is really serious about starting an airline, they should have already at the very least had some semblances of a website up and associated email addresses as well.

As I said before, they are finishing their website and should be done by the end of the month.


User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 12386 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 13):
In all honesty, Air Culture will probably never be anything more than a paper airline

wasn't there one supposed to go to RIX and LED with a 747 also?...and I think some other one that was supposed to go to Africa...both, I'm pretty sure never made it past the "official" announcement/web page stage...grain of salt here.


User currently offlineRIXrat From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 786 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11782 times:

Air Culture sounds like something coming out of a Petri dish. Maybe they are looking for investors and therefore only an e-mail address. Anyway, in my opinion, the proposed name is all wrong. It sounds like a mole growing on your body. Try Razor Air and get rid of that mole.

User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11617 times:

i dont understand, what causes these airlines(paper ones) not to launch???


Boiler Up!!!
User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11317 times:

If anybody wants to make any money in aviation, they should start a fractional or private jet company. Private jet sector is at a major boom right now and will continue to be, thanks to 9/11, TSA, and incompetent airlines.

User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1556 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11115 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 20):
If anybody wants to make any money in aviation, they should start a fractional or private jet company. Private jet sector is at a major boom right now and will continue to be, thanks to 9/11, TSA, and incompetent airlines.

Actually, I read someplace (MSNBC?) that the fractional ownership companies are having serious financial problems due to the inability to provide jets to their clients at the times and placed needed by the clients. To meet their commitments, some companies have had to charter extra jets at great expense to go pick up clients at various destinations because everyone wants a plane ride home friday night or the day before a holiday -- the planes often return empty. I understand some companies are reworking their marketing and pricing to encourage off peak usage and return trips, but they have a lot of work to do.

It's not easy to make a profit off of flying planes it seems.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6529 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11016 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 13):
In all honesty, Air Culture will probably never be anything more than a paper airline. Here's a partial list of airlines over the last 10 years that never got past or have yet to go past the paper stage:

Crystal Airways
Oneida Airlines
Northern Airlines
Heartland Airlines (Actually ordered some 717s. Some of the folks are involved with Skybus)
Air Gumbo
DirectAir
West Coast Airlines
Project Roam
California Airlines
CalJet
Air 4000/Han Airways
Oregon Express Air Lines

You can add Trans Caribbean Airways to that list.

www.flytca.com


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10747 times:

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 16):
wasn't there one supposed to go to RIX and LED with a 747 also?

Baltia Air. I believe that airline has been through at least a dozen different "immediate start-up dates" until today  Yeah sure .


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10714 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 21):
Actually, I read someplace (MSNBC?) that the fractional ownership companies are having serious financial problems due to the inability to provide jets to their clients at the times and placed needed by the clients. To meet their commitments, some companies have had to charter extra jets at great expense to go pick up clients at various destinations because everyone wants a plane ride home friday night or the day before a holiday -- the planes often return empty. I understand some companies are reworking their marketing and pricing to encourage off peak usage and return trips, but they have a lot of work to do.

Yea right now there is too much demand and not enough man power on the fractional side. Netjets for example can't staff their aircraft fast enough. And currently there are only 2 major and 2 or 3 smaller fractional companies. That's why I'm saying go fractional/private not the airline route.


User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10647 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 23):
Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 16):
wasn't there one supposed to go to RIX and LED with a 747 also?

Baltia Air. I believe that airline has been through at least a dozen different "immediate start-up dates" until today

wasn't it supposed to be a 747 service between LED and JFK? Where did you get RIX from? (from post #16)



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25 RIXrat : Although I live in Riga, I've never heard of Baltia Air. Just another paper shuffle.
26 LASOctoberB6 : well seeing how RoseArt has cheap products, im guessing that this airline will be pretty cheap too.......
27 Bohlman : Suggested deletion, this is a plug. What a joke, "I'm going to start an airline that uses $20-40million jets, but I'm not going to go to the trouble
28 MEACEDAR : Hey guys, I emailed them last night and got a answer back this morning. MEACEDAR- My name is BJ, and I am a member of airlines.net and I was browsing
29 Post contains images BN727flyr : OK, so this guarantees a market consisting largely of airliners.net'ers who will be psyched to fly on the 727s once again. Take a number! All black?
30 Post contains images AirTran737 : Here's what I think of this new airline.
31 Tsnamm : I'm pretty sure I recall hearing a number of different Baltic States destinations as well...I think they had a web site and released a bunch of press
32 Post contains links Tsnamm : here is the link... RE: Baltia To Fly JFK - Russia (by Tsnamm May 23 2006 in Civil Aviation) and here is a part of a transcript.... The promoters’ e
33 Rampart : I like to cheer on innovation and new entrants as much as anybody, but the reply above (and I agree, use of a yahoo.com e-mail is sketchy in the extr
34 Post contains images Steeler83 : I wonder if Maytag or General Electric will supply any parts... They are, of course, oven makers... And an all-black painted plane would be just that
35 Post contains links SANFan : And another one for you: Trans Pacific Airlines (back in 2000, to start with HNL to SAN & PDX...) http://starbulletin.com/2000/03/22/business/story3.
36 MEACEDAR : I emailed them again!!!!!!!!!!!!! MEACEDAR- Dear Tom, Some airliners.net members have asked me to ask you a couple of more questions. What do you mean
37 Continental123 : Read MEACEDAR's question first.
38 Post contains images WestJetYQQ : They very much are! If I were an airline that actually WAS trying to operate out of NYC I would use Stewart Intl in Newburgh Instead of JFK or LGA, a
39 TransWorldSTL : No investors. P HAHA! Exactly what I was thinking. I HATE RoseArt products. Who's profile is that from?
40 Post contains images DAL767400ER : So let me get this right: "Longterm", if you can call it that, they want to replace a 150-180-seat fuel guzzling threeholer with a fuel-guzzling 100-
41 Post contains images PExDCA : If I weren't staring at a calendar in front of me I would swear this was April Fools Day!
42 Post contains images SkyyMaster : Just one question - WHY?
43 Type-Rated : Personally I think that some of these so called start ups are really created by teenage armchair airline CEO's that get off to the fact that they are
44 Rampart : Yup, looks like it posted while I was writing mine. So, why weren't they forthcoming with the original response, and decided that letting us know tha
45 Post contains images Electech6299 : As Continental123 stated, read the question. Gee, I hate businesses that consider answering questions a priority Perhaps your comments should be dire
46 Richierich : Kind of what I was thinking. I guess Air Vag-Discharge was taken?? Perhaps - but I'd have to think that Air Culture is just the name given during thi
47 Continental123 : It says that they'll be operating out of MCO.
48 Post contains images OB1504 : Not if you check the "Unlimited Fuel" option in Flight Simulator! Seriously, I'm also doubtful of this new airline. The email address and the thread-
49 Bohlman : It was in Continental123s profile before he changed it.
50 TransWorldSTL : Hmmm... I smell a big pile of crap, coming from Continental123! I figured something was up, when a new airline was supposedly telling future investor
51 Rampart : Sorry, you are right. I overlooked the original question. My original opinion stands on the vagueness and seeming lack of reality. I haven't the back
52 Post contains images Steeler83 : What... the heck... Oh, and Continental123, who is no longer with us apparently (wonder why...   said that the website should be up and running b
53 MEACEDAR : IT SEEMS THANT AIR CULTURE SHOULD BE CALLED AIR CRAP IF THEY KEEP THIS UP!!!!
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