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Why IB Such Big Gap Between A321&A343?  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

As of next year IB will retire its MD 87, MD88, and 757. It will have an all airbus fleet of of A319, A320, A321, A343, A346 (pretty boring fleetif you ask me).

As you can see there is an extremely big gap between the A321 ans the A340-300. In my opinion they should get the A330.200. I'm sure they would be able to operate more profitably routes like Central american ones. Lets say flights to SAL, SAP or MGA and instead of having 3 weekly flights to PTY and GUA, they could have more frequencies. I find it weird they don't want to have any mid size aircraft!

Apparently they are said to wanting the 787 but IB ordering Boeing would be the world turned around
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User currently offlineADiZzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

Then all the need is a 767 or A330.....or maybe they are holding out for a 787!

User currently offlineLoalq From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 224 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

As long as they retire those MDs and I do not have to fly GVA-MAD on them anymore, I am cool with their fleet...

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Apparently they are said to wanting the 787

Yes, that would be really strange...



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

IB are getting some ex Air Madrid A332's, (see Washington Thread) for use on TFS flights AFAIK.

I knew I had heard about this somehwere Big grin

[Edited 2007-02-25 14:20:47]

User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3183 times:

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 1):
or maybe they are holding out for a 787

I can't sewe tyhis happeneing, I see IB being very loyal to Airbus. The a/c have done well for them, and it would be very cool to see an IB A350 Big grin


User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3143 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 3):
IB are getting some ex Air Madrid A332's, (see Washington Thread) for use on TFS flights AFAIK.

I knew I had heard about this somehwere

No, neither Iberia nor Audeli will get A332, EC-IYN and EC-IYB are going to Air Comet. Audeli was apparently interested in getting them but it won't happen.

Don't forget that Iberia has a code-share flight with Iberworld, who is operating with one of their A330-300s a 5 weekly Madrid-Cancún flight in an all-economy configuration. This flight is marketed using an Iberia flight number.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3130 times:

The A343s are for long haul and the A32S is for short haul.

For short haul frequency is more desirble as the market is more competitive and the flight times are shorter, so to increase capacity IB will send a lot of frequencies a day. For longer haul it's often only necessary to have one flight a day as people will often just write off a day for travel, as supposed to attempting to fit meetings and business events around a flight. IB probably has a monoply on a lot of it's south american routes so they can get away with this. Aslo long haul flights are often less densely configured, as confort matters more on longer flights. As a result IBs A321s have between 172-200 passengers, and their A343s have 260, so not a huge difference.


User currently offlineHBDAN From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 661 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3016 times:

What abuot them considering the A350?

Regards,
HBDAN



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2939 times:

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 5):
Don't forget that Iberia has a code-share flight with Iberworld, who is operating with one of their A330-300s a 5 weekly Madrid-Cancún flight in an all-economy configuration. This flight is marketed using an Iberia flight number.

Only Iberia are cheap enough to codeshare with a charter airline !

Quoting HBDAN (Reply 7):
What abuot them considering the A350?

that would be an A343 replacement

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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 6):
IB probably has a monoply on a lot of it's south american routes so they can get away with this.

That's not true at all. Did you hear about of Avianca, Aeromexico, Air Comet (which will be stronger now Air Madrid is only a past) Aerolineas Argentinas, Air Europa, LAN, LAN-Ecuador, Santa Barbara Airlines,etc ..?

IB is a strong carrier to Latin America but it doesn't mean IB is the only one to fly Latin America.

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 8):
Only Iberia are cheap enough to codeshare with a charter airline !

CUN is mostly a leisure traffic in which the Business Class has not demand.

Anyway to fly MAD-CUN you can choose MAD-MIA-CUN using the IB/MX code-share agreement ...and avoid Iberworld if you wish.



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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

They´ll get the NM 332s .

But they´ll sure order in the next months 787s or 350s


User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 10):
They´ll get the NM 332s

Not anymore. In fact that was only a rumour.

Read reply 5. Those A332s have already been taken by Air Comet.



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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 11):
Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 10):
They´ll get the NM 332s

Not anymore. In fact that was only a rumour.

Read reply 5. Those A332s have already been taken by Air Comet.

Oh OK thanks  Wink Pity, would have looked really good ...


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 9):

That's not true at all. Did you hear about of Avianca, Aeromexico, Air Comet (which will be stronger now Air Madrid is only a past) Aerolineas Argentinas, Air Europa, LAN, LAN-Ecuador, Santa Barbara Airlines,etc ..?



Quoting SKY1 (Reply 9):

IB is a strong carrier to Latin America but it doesn't mean IB is the only one to fly Latin America.

Well they do have it for Cental America. this is why they have unacceptably rised their price by around 200euros after NM went bust !! That's why I chose to fly DL (GVA-CDG-ATL-SJO) this upcoming December even if its longer. Because i find it unacceptable to pay 400 Swiss francs more than 5 years ago when they actually still gave you full service on European routes. I hope AF will start to SJO and PTY soon so that IB can reconsider giving better service!

[Edited 2007-02-25 18:42:48]


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 1):
Then all the need is a 767 or A330.....

Dont they currently lease a 767-300, along with some 747-400s?


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 14):
Dont they currently lease a 767-300, along with some 747-400s?

no the 767 was a long time ago and the 747-400 were returned in 2006. By the way the 747-400 doesn't resolve the problem of the A321/343 gap



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

It's not like there is a huge gap between the A321 and the A340-300. The only aircraft between the two that Airbus produces is the A330-200 and A330-300.

I don't see there being much of a need for a large fleet of Airbus A330 aircraft since the A340-300 can do the same thing with more capacity and range.

I could see Iberia maybe ordering a pair of A330-200's but they don't really need them. Iberia tends to monopolize in their Latin American routes, not saying that there isn't other carriers but they do well on those routes. Airlines that are second to Iberia operate aircraft like the A330-200 and 767-300 on the routes because there is not as much demand as Iberia currently has.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 15):
By the way the 747-400 doesn't resolve the problem of the A321/343 gap


Theres nothing unusual about a gap between the A321 and A340 anyway, most large airlines have it. The two aircraft serve different routes and functions. Its always been like this at Iberia anyway, the old fleet had a similar gap between the 757 and DC10.


User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 13):
Well they do have it for Cental America.

If you dislike IB you can always flying with AA, CO or other NorthAmerica carriers. Or also via BOG, where Central America --specially to go to SJO and/or PTY-- is always accesible and close.

Braulio, fortunately there's enough competition in the civil aviation business. Even you're saying you will fly DL this time to fly Costa Rica. I'm sure if you find AF/DL provides you a better service than IB does ...you will fly AF/DL or any another airline.



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 18):
If you dislike IB you can always flying with AA, CO or other NorthAmerica carriers



Quoting SKY1 (Reply 18):
Even you're saying you will fly DL this time to fly Costa Rica. I'm sure if you find AF/DL provides you a better service than IB does ...you will fly AF/DL or any another airline.

that's why I booked AF/DL

I was referring to direct flights. Before when they announced a new airline, Air Madrid would entre competition I told myself it was good because it would put pressure on IB to increase service. But hwne one has competition like NM, one doesn't need to do an effort since NM was a total joke !



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