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Boeing Is It Producing Higher End Jets  
User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1430 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6720 times:

Maybe somene can help me on this but the only low end pax Jet they seem to produce now is the 737.
Just looking it appears all their aircraft will have higher capacity jets.. They produce nothing between 737 and 767 anymore
and nothing smaller than a 737... lets look at somethings. Im sure you guys can answer and see


Aircraft #Pax Cost

747

787

777

767

737

It just seems they only have one low end jet the 737... So techically there are only 4 types coing of the line now
and soon 5 after completion of the 787


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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6701 times:

The 737 is the smallest capacity jet Boeing has ever produced, and they are not likely to produce anything smaller.

The preceeding aircraft ... the 707, and 727. The 757 succeeded these two aircraft in the lineage, and now the 757 series has more or less been succeeded by the 737-900 at the low end and the proposed 787-3 at the high end.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6662 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 1):
The 737 is the smallest capacity jet Boeing has ever produced, and they are not likely to produce anything smaller.

You forget the 717.

The 737 series does the job that cover the respective range that the 767,77,787 and 747 do, there are a lot of sub models in the 737 series and thus no real need for another aircraft in the range.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
You forget the 717.

The 737 series does the job that cover the respective range that the 767,77,787 and 747 do, there are a lot of sub models in the 737 series and thus no real need for another aircraft in the range.

Neither Scarebus or Boring has produced an a/c capable of replacing the 757



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Neither Scarebus or Boring has produced an a/c capable of replacing the 757

Except the 737-900ER and A321 which can handily fly the vast, vast majority of routes the 757 is used.


User currently offlineASEFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 4):
Except the 737-900ER and A321 which can handily fly the vast, vast majority of routes the 757 is used.

Yeah, but I don't think they can do hot and high like the 757....it's weird to think in 10 or so years those things are going to be rare!


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6347 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
You forget the 717.

You are right, I did. However, it can be argued that the 717 was actually developed by McDonnell-Douglas. The 737 is still the smallest commercial aircraft devleoped by Boeing.



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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

Quoting ASEFlyer (Reply 5):
Except the 737-900ER and A321 which can handily fly the vast, vast majority of routes the 757 is used.

Yeah, but I don't think they can do hot and high like the 757....it's weird to think in 10 or so years those things are going to be rare

So if the A321 and the 737-900ER fall so short of the 757 what will boeing or airbus for that matter do about it. The 757 is an amazingly popular airplane at least here in the states. I would think that at least one of them would try to fill the gap.

why not do like the 757/767 and just make a narrow body 787-3



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User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6140 times:

interesting concept... so the 717 was smaller than the 737, and im kinda of thinking the rj,s may have killed the smaller boeing because of the union rule of the number of seats that a regional could fly mainline..

I agree the 757 had a niche in its market, but with the 767,777,787,747 one has got to get killed off



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
You forget the 717.

Actually, the smallest 737 was smaller than the 717  Wink

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 4):
Except the 737-900ER and A321 which can handily fly the vast, vast majority of routes the 757 is used.

Both are smaller, slower and with less performance as well as not offering a variant the size of the 753. Further, the 752's CASM competes with those of the 739 and A321, not to mention its ability to fly longer range routes.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6031 times:

Quoting ASEFlyer (Reply 5):
Yeah, but I don't think they can do hot and high like the 757...

Yes, and what percentage of 757 departures require the full capability of the airplane? Again, a very small minority.  Yeah sure

Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 7):
So if the A321 and the 737-900ER fall so short of the 757 what will boeing or airbus for that matter do about it.

For the time being, absolutely nothing. The 737-900ER is considerably more economical than the 757-200 on routes within the performance envelope of both aircraft, and the -900ER benefits from mechanical and crew commonality with the other 737NG variants.

The long-term replacement to the 737NG series will likely include a variant sized closely to the 757-200, perhaps with greater performance compared to the 737-900ER.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6001 times:

Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 7):
So if the A321 and the 737-900ER fall so short of the 757 what will boeing or airbus for that matter do about it

Theres a reason the 757 is no longer in production. There is not sufficient demand for the areas that the aircraft ourperforms the 737 and A321 to offset the higher overall cost of operating the 757. Most airlines no longer need its excess performance.


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1557 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5800 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
Theres a reason the 757 is no longer in production.

Its a damn shame. I love the power of the 757!


User currently offlineIAHFLYER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5780 times:

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 8):
767,777,787,747 one has got to get killed off

I choose 767 to die not 757. The 757 hot and high capabilities are just to goo to pass up, as previously stated.



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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2331 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5733 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
Most airlines no longer need its excess performance.

Most airlines do need the 757 for their current operations. Notice how every US legacy carrier has them in their fleet, however, they do not need more of them.

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 13):
I choose 767 to die not 757.

The 767 will undoubtedly be the next to go on the list.



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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5682 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
Theres a reason the 757 is no longer in production. There is not sufficient demand for the areas that the aircraft ourperforms the 737 and A321 to offset the higher overall cost of operating the 757. Most airlines no longer need its excess performance.

Then why are they such a hot commodity. I would say that there is a need for a 757 type airplane in the future when the 757's life span comes to an end.



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User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5539 times:

I think Boeing is on the right track and has just about cover for every size from the 736 to the 744 (currently and 748 later). As much as I love the 757 and miss them rolling off the lines. I do think the 739ER will take over the lower end customers and the upcoming 788 or 783 will take the higher end customers of the 757. Either way I also believe that the decision to end the 757s production came at a pretty unlucky time, when orders dried up, but I do think quit some orders could have been bagged in at a later time when airlines reinvented it's capabilities  Sad


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5470 times:

Quoting ATW Online:

Commercial Airplanes President Scott Carson suggested that environmental issues are a "top priority" at Boeing and that
it may move the baseline for the 737 replacement higher than the current 90-200 seats to a 130/230-seat platform.
Carson told this website that "environmental issues would put upward pressure on capacity." He said the manufacturer is conducting trade studies on two fuselage widths and possibly could offer the market two solutions with common cockpits, wings and engines. This concept is not new and was floated as the Low Cost Modular Aircraft by a McDonnell Douglas engineer in August 1997.

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=7961

If Boeing will in fact produce two different fuselages for the 737 successor the gap the 757 has left is very well covered:



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

I personally don't think that the 757 will be fully replaceable, at least not in the near future. The capabilities of that airplane aren't fully matched by any airplane in production today. It is a very special airplane, and I love flying on them. I actually get to fly on one in a few weeks when I go to BOS to visit my friend at Harvard. I'm pretty excited about that!  Wink

User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 4):
Except the 737-900ER and A321 which can handily fly the vast, vast majority of routes the 757 is used.

Not unnecessarily true. The A321 and 737-900ER have ranges of about 3000nm to the 757's 3900nm, and the 757 has great runway performance: notice how they are a very popular aircraft for US airlines operating out of SNA.

Yes, the 321 and 739 are capable of replacing the 757 on short to medium segments and transcon US flights, however most airlines are now following CO's lead and sending them transatlantic to secondary markets, as well as long haul to South America. These journeys are beyond the capability of the 321 and 739.


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Quoting JetJeanes (Thread starter):
Maybe somene can help me on this but the only low end pax Jet they seem to produce now is the 737.
Just looking it appears all their aircraft will have higher capacity jets.. They produce nothing between 737 and 767 anymore
and nothing smaller than a 737

Except that they have a lot of versions of the 737, and that's really all they need for the market. One could argue that Airbus only has the 320 as the low-capacity plane in its fleet, versus the 330, 340 and 380 in the high-capacity end, but that wouldn't really be true. Nor would it matter, since the various versions of both the 320 and 737 provide pretty much everything the industry needs.

-Mir



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 15):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
Theres a reason the 757 is no longer in production. There is not sufficient demand for the areas that the aircraft ourperforms the 737 and A321 to offset the higher overall cost of operating the 757. Most airlines no longer need its excess performance.

Then why are they such a hot commodity.

If there was sufficient demand for new 757s Boeing would not have ceased production.


User currently offlineCOERJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Overall I believe that Boeing covers all markets fairly well. The 737-900ER can cover all domestic markets that the 752 currently serves which would make a 757 sized jet somewhat redundant. The problem that I see is that the 737-900ER is does not have trans-oceanic range, and recently the 752 has become very popular on transatlantic flights, therefore I believe that Boeing should come up with a 757 or 739 sized jet that is capable of transatlantic flights, similar to the Boeing 752.

Boeing appears to be uninterested in serving a regional market of 100 passengers or below, and with the shared monopoly between Bombardier and Embraer I do not think it is necessary for them to create a regional jet.


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