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Biman To Purchase 4X777-200er To Replace DC-10  
User currently offlineAirbusCanada From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 331 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10627 times:

the Govt. of Bangladesh has approved a plan by biman to purchase four 777-200ER aircrafts to replace its's aging fleet of DC-10's. The deal is priced at 900 million. Exim bank will finance 85% of the project at 5% interest rate amortized over 12 years. The rest will be financed by commercial banks.

here is the link, sorry the article is in Bengali. Hopefully there will be an official announcement very soon.

http://www.amadershomoy.com/news.php?id=139770&sys=1

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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8691 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10589 times:

I'm glad to see them getting a newer fleet. Any idea on what engines are going to be on those beauties?

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineAirbusCanada From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10546 times:

Has to be GE or PW since the deal is financed by U.S. govt.

User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10538 times:

What desert are they currently parked in?  Wink

Mark

[Edited 2007-02-26 05:13:19]

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10475 times:

Does this mean they could return to JFK?


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User currently offlineAirbusCanada From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10410 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 4):
Does this mean they could return to JFK?

not any time soon......


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10259 times:

They announced an order for 6 777s and 4 A330-200s a few years ago. Will the order be OK this time?

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10232 times:

Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 2):
Has to be GE or PW since the deal is financed by U.S. govt.

Would it shock you to know that EXIM helps finances aircraft with Rolls Royce engines too?

Although these days, the GE would be the best choice for non-777LR variants. The Ge90-powered 772ER are going to retain their residual value longer than any of the other power plants.


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10232 times:

Hopefully they are serious about fleet renewal this time.


Maybe EK can purchase Biman, and take advantage of the market in Bangladesh? Oh wait, that's already been tried  bored 



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User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1011 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10101 times:
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the 4 777s have been on and off the cards for a long time. let's see if the interim gov't will finally give the loan guarantees. honestly, the 4 777s will help, but they have a lot of structural problems, including mismanagement, rampant corruption, unruly unions, lack of planning and implementation and a complete lack of understanding of modern airline management. biman owes millions of dollars to the national petroleum company and has heavy debts. it effectively monopolizes the ground handling at its home base and also in other airports in bangladesh, and stifle competition as best as it can. biman probably should be split up into 1) the airline 2) engineering services 3) ground handling and 4) catering services. but of course, the organization can be run more corruptly if all these divisions are kept under the same company. when biman gets a professional management team, spins off the non-airline businesses and has more transparency in its operations, the 777s can make a much more positive impact. otherwise, it's just pouring money down the gutter.

my 2 takas worth.

best,

wasim / planemannyc


User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9948 times:

Well it is a much needed revitalization of the airline, but I wonder if it will fall thru this time... I have heard of so much variants and possible orders, that I will simply sit back and wait for one to show up in Biman's colours  Smile

But one thing is for sure: It will be a wonderful site to see in those classic colours!!!  spin 



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User currently offlineBOACVC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9887 times:

Quoting AirbusCanada (Thread starter):
four 777-200ER aircrafts

What are the possible max operating ranges for this A/C ? Typically Biman has always eyed the UK, EU, NMEA markets for the immigrant labor pax market. Would the 777 have advantage over DC-10-30 in both pax, cargo and range figures?

Biman doesn't have a good record of keeping its planes fit and flying, and they have had lot of crashes (F-27, F-28, ATP, B-707, DC-10) and major/minor incidents. With the DC-10s, the A/C were frequently AOG rather than reliably operating in the skies. This is a reason why I might pity the fate of those 777 A/C, which will be just another political playtoy for the uber-rich to get richer, through sales commissions and kickbacks from engine and parts suppliers.

I wonder if they have ever thought of Bangladesh-US non-stop service using the transpolar routes ? DAC-ORD anyone ?

BOACVC10



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12898 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 9729 times:
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Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 6):
They announced an order for 6 777s and 4 A330-200s a few years ago.

I think they only ever announced their "intention" to replace the DC-10s with 777s and the A310s with A330s. I don't believe a firm order was ever placed.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11719 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9258 times:

Quoting AirbusCanada (Thread starter):
here is the link, sorry the article is in Bengali

Interesting language is is too!;

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Are these going to be new aircraft, I'm wondering if there are any of the UAL 777's still left in the desert which they may be picking up? Certainly I agree that Biman need to restructure, and lose the image they have of being a poor quality and somewhat unsafe airline to fly with, at present I really don't see this working as I don't think they will keep up with the payments. They leased some B737s, -400s I think but they were returned because they were too expensive and Biman went back to using the F28s on all it's short routes, even the A310 occasionally.


Dan Smile



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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8973 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 13):
Are these going to be new aircraft

Biman and new aircraft does not strike me as being synonymous with each other  Wink


User currently offlineImiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8866 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 13):
Are these going to be new aircraft,



Quoting AirbusCanada (Thread starter):
the Govt. of Bangladesh has approved a plan by biman to purchase four 777-200ER aircrafts to replace its's aging fleet of DC-10's. The deal is priced at 900 million.

If the deal is worth $900m, the 772-ERs have got to be new


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8652 times:

So if this is true, like I said in an earlier post, it looks like Boeing is securing about 4 new orders each week for the 777. No order seems to stand out, but cumulatively, if the trend continues, and if all the 777s it onto the books, the 777 will have another banner year. The 777 is truly becoming the backbone of many airlines long haul fleet. Boeing bet on this jet some 15yrs ago, and again, appears to have won big.

User currently offlineBOACVC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8487 times:

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 14):
Biman and new aircraft does not strike me as being synonymous with each other Wink

Hi, I found the following Bengali language article which gives some detail about the state of (dis-) repair of various aircraft. The Article is entitled উেড়াজাহাজ সংকেট ফઆাইটসકিচর িবপযગেয় পড়েত যাে੧ছ িবমান! For many you, this title will not show up unless you are using a Bengali font - and I can't figure out why it can't be displayed properly in Mozilla Firefox, and only in Internet Explorere. Anyway, the article is entitled: Biman's flight schedule about to collapse due to crisis of Aircraft". I am work now, and don't have time to translate in detail this article, but if there are any other A.netters, who have the time, please translate and reproduce in this thread. Keywords: S2-ACR GPS Landing Gear S2-ACS D-Check Airbus S2-ADK S2-ACQ



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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7721 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 8):
Maybe EK can purchase Biman, and take advantage of the market in Bangladesh? Oh wait, that's already been tried

Wasn't that QR trying to follow EK what they have done to UL?



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User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

Quoting Planemannyc (Reply 9):
the 4 777s have been on and off the cards for a long time. let's see if the interim gov't will finally give the loan guarantees. honestly, the 4 777s will help, but they have a lot of structural problems, including mismanagement, rampant corruption, unruly unions, lack of planning and implementation and a complete lack of understanding of modern airline management. biman owes millions of dollars to the national petroleum company and has heavy debts. it effectively monopolizes the ground handling at its home base and also in other airports in bangladesh, and stifle competition as best as it can. biman probably should be split up into 1) the airline 2) engineering services 3) ground handling and 4) catering services. but of course, the organization can be run more corruptly if all these divisions are kept under the same company. when biman gets a professional management team, spins off the non-airline businesses and has more transparency in its operations, the 777s can make a much more positive impact. otherwise, it's just pouring money down the gutter.

Your concerns are quite warranted. Buying 777s is not enough, structural problems like you mentioned need to be resolved. Nevertheless, I believe this caretaker government is quite serious about reforming BG. They have already dropped flights to JFK, BRU, FCO, ORY, FRA, BAH, KUL, NRT; concentrating on profitable routes.

What BG really needs is a new business plan but also a small to mid-size jets. I think BG future will be to ply routes in India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and South East Asia. There are no plans in the work for them.



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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5093 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5618 times:

It's about time they replace their DC10s!


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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 18):
Wasn't that QR trying to follow EK what they have done to UL?

IIRC, EK,MH,QR and SQ were involved in the tenders.



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User currently offlineAirpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 959 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 19):
They have already dropped flights to JFK, BRU, FCO, ORY, FRA, BAH, KUL, NRT; concentrating on profitable routes.

They're certainly still flying to KUL.


User currently offlineColeplane From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 10):
It will be a wonderful site to see in those classic colours!!!

While I agree, it wouldn't surprise me if we see a revision or new livery all together.

Quoting JAL (Reply 20):
It's about time they replace their DC10s!

Never, never, never!  Sad



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User currently offlineCOA735 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4109 times:

Sweet. Nice to see Biman getting Triple 7's. Now all they need to do is change that god awful livery...  ill   vomit 

25 Tigerotor77W : Why is this?
26 Nycfly75 : IIRC, they still fly to FCO.
27 Post contains images Planemannyc : and essentially a daily, with 4 flights doing DAC-SIN-KUL-DAC, other 3 DAC-KUL-DAC, and all "upgraded" to DC10 service 2x weekly, routing is DAC-JED-
28 Moek2000 : That would be nice, I wouldn't mind switching from my usual Emirates to Biman for that route for once...
29 Richierich : Let's hope that if they are entrusted with 777s, they treat them better than they used to treat their DC10s!
30 Alangirvan : IF IF IF Biman is in the financial position to order new aircraft from the factory, would it be worth skipping a generation and going straight to 787s
31 Cchan : and their F28 probably, they are long past expiry date!
32 Bennett123 : Any takers on used DC10's. ATA for parts?. David
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