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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 16
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9540 times:

I was watching a BBC documentary, "Drowning in Oil" depicting the plight of the poor in Equatorial Guinea. Oil companies in conjunction with the dictator have STOLEN all of the countries oil wealth and are continuing to do so while oppressing the poor and violating countless human rights.

I realize that after the discovery of oil Malabo became an attractive destination for European carriers but what KLM did (and god only knows why) is absolutely appalling. When the new airport was built, as part of the inauguration ceremonies KLM renamed what appears to be a 767 after the ruling dictator, Obiang Nguema Mbasogo. Absolutely disgusting. Think of some of the great people KLM have birds named after:

Marie Curie, Mother Theresa, Florence Nightingale, Maria Montessori, Niels Bohr, Ernest Hemingway... and now this scumbag!

I have written to Leo Van Wijk to express my disgust and I would encourage all other Flying Dutchman cardholders to do the same.

Web source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=3555107

YOWza


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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16927 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9484 times:

Quoting YOWza (Thread starter):
KLM renamed what appears to be a 767 after the ruling dictator, Obiang Nguema Mbasogo

Seriously? That man is one of the absolute worst African leaders, and that's saying a lot. That's ludicrous; might as well name a 737 after Milosevic.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9473 times:

Quoting YOWza (Thread starter):
Marie Curie, Mother Theresa, Florence Nightingale, Maria Montessori, Niels Bohr, Ernest Hemingway... and now this scumbag!

Don't forget Audrey Hepburn!

As a long time KLM fan, I have to agree with you. This is indeed very disgusting and very unlike them...



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User currently onlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9473 times:

I saw this as well, and surely this documentary must have been filmed quite a while ago, as KLM has since stopped flying to Malabo and the B763ERs are in their last week of operation as we speak. Nevertheless, you raise a very valid point, and from a marketing perspective this documentary wasn't exactly good publicity for KLM.

User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9380 times:

The worst part of it was that there was a KL executive there kissing Obiang's ass and he even invited him on board for some champagne!!

Incidentally where are KL's 767s going?

YOWza



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9288 times:

I cannot find a single klm 767 with that name in the database or anywhere else, help me out

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...truecount=false&engine_version=6.0


User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9220 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 5):
I cannot find a single klm 767 with that name in the database or anywhere else, help me out

I have never heard of that name either.
As far as I know all B76's are/were named after famous bridges.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7637 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9203 times:

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 6):
As far as I know all B76's are/were named after famous bridges.

That's what I thought as well.



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User currently offlineLH648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9197 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 4):
Incidentally where are KL's 767s going?

Two of them go to Air Astana.



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9158 times:
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1/ when was the documentary filmed ?
2/ If KLM did stop flying to Malabo, it might explain why no 767 had that name recently.

But bear in mind that this is just a very small examples of what big companies have to do to deal with such governments.

FB.



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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9093 times:

All the 767's were named to Famous bridges, so i don't know were you got the info from, it's certainly not reliable.

Quoting LH648 (Reply 8):
Quoting YOWza (Reply 4):
Incidentally where are KL's 767s going?

Neos, Aeroflot, Astana, North American, Zoom, Ethiopian, and im sure i forgot one.

[Edited 2007-02-26 10:45:02]

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4650 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9074 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 5):
I cannot find a single klm 767 with that name in the database or anywhere else, help me out

Inaugural flights often bare the name of the city (or in this case something else local). These are a one-off only for that flight and namestickers are removed after return to AMS, so chances are small someone photographed it. For example, the 772ER that flew the inaugural CTU flight was renamed 'City of Chengdu'.



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User currently offlineEric From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9074 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 10):
but the article only mentions SAS

SAS are the British Special Forces doing coveted missions, KLM is mentioned within the article.


User currently offlineBlast From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 119 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8818 times:

I saw it too. The 76 was still had the old KL color scheme. I don't like this sort of thing either. Certainly bad punblicity for KL

User currently offlinePA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8659 times:

As much as I heard about that freaky dictator, it might as well have been a requirement by his government to have a plane named after him, if KL wanted to serve Malabo. So they probably did that just for the inaugural flight.

However, good thing that they stopped serving Malabo and apparently didn't keep that name.

Basically, KL didn't act any better than Condoleeza Rice, welcoming Obiang in Washington last year (or the year before...).


User currently offlineShamrock104 From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8596 times:

There's a fantastic book all about Obiang and his sick family, The Wonga Coup and the mercenary plot to invade Equitorial Guinea. Condolezza Rice welcomed Obiang in Washington saying 'You are a good friend and we welcome you'.

User currently offlinePA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8580 times:

Condolezza Rice welcomed Obiang in Washington saying 'You are a good friend and we welcome you'.

'Cause he got oil and doesn't like muslim extremists (or anyone else not kissing his butt).

There was an interesting report about Equatorial Guinea in the German newsmagazine "Der Spiegel" about half a year ago - stating many examples such as a journalist being beaten up for taking a picture of the passing presidents limousine, but nobody caring 'cause the government has signed longterm contracts with US firms for their tremendous oil fields in the sea.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8351 times:

I will take a picture during the documentary right when the name is visible and post it when I get home. Hopefully my PVR still has it on there. Yes KL's 767s were named for bridges but this was temporarily renamed.

YOWza



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User currently onlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8293 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 17):
Yes KL's 767s were named for bridges but this was temporarily renamed.

That's probably right, just done for the occasion so that the local KLM bigshots could suck up to the scumbag even more. Interesting though, how he apparently declined to visit the cabin of the aircraft with his name on and prefers to zip off with his private jet. This is truly bad PR for KLM.


User currently offlineGlobeTrekker From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 851 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 17):
Yes KL's 767s were named for bridges but this was temporarily renamed.

Yup. That's right. When KLM flew to NRT with the 777 for the first time, they renamed PH-BQD. Normally it's Darjeeling Railway, but they renamed it City of Tokyo. They also did this on a special occasion on a plane bound for SXM and renamed a 744 "St. Maarten".
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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5860 times:

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 6):
As far as I know all B76's are/were named after famous bridges



Quoting YOWza (Thread starter):
Marie Curie, Mother Theresa, Florence Nightingale, Maria Montessori, Niels Bohr, Ernest Hemingway

Its the MD11's that are names after famous persons.

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 10):
Neos, Aeroflot, Astana, North American, Zoom, Ethiopian, and im sure i forgot one.

Zoom have two ex KL 763's (and two ex AF).



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User currently offlineContinental123 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Um, guys calm down. It's the name of an airplane for gods sake. It's not like when you step on the plane you become a friend of the guy. Just remember, if you are freaking out over a plane name, than you really need to get your priorities straight.

User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21080 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

Quoting Continental123 (Reply 21):
Um, guys calm down. It's the name of an airplane for gods sake. It's not like when you step on the plane you become a friend of the guy. Just remember, if you are freaking out over a plane name, than you really need to get your priorities straight.

So if Pan Am were to have named a plane "Clipper Adolf Hitler" to commemorate the start of service to FRA it would be perfectly fine?

Like it or not, the name of a plane makes a statement about the airline - it shows tacit consent/support for the place or person. KLM should not be supporting a dictator like Mbasogo.

-Mir



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User currently offlineArdian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 532 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

Hmm very interesting. I've searched for more stories about this and indeed found a couple of sites mentioning this.
I really haven't heard of this story before, not even in the Dutch media. Normally, the Dutch media can be quite outspoken about stories with a 'bad past' (don't know how to correctly put it in words).


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

Quoting Continental123 (Reply 21):



Quoting Mir (Reply 22):

So if Pan Am were to have named a plane "Clipper Adolf Hitler" to commemorate the start of service to FRA it would be perfectly fine?

Like it or not, the name of a plane makes a statement about the airline - it shows tacit consent/support for the place or person. KLM should not be supporting a dictator like Mbasogo.

Could not have said it better myself.

YOWza



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25 Post contains images Andz : Tha would be covert missions, if something is coveted it means people desire it. I'm sure the missions the SAS perform are not too desirable!
26 Kaitak744 : It is BAD LUCK to rename ships / aircraft.
27 JRadier : Like sitting in row 13? Give me a break :P
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