AJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 709 posts, RR: 16 Posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6590 times:
American Eagle will exit BOS-EWR and ORD-IAD this spring. Several other routes will also be getting a haircut and there are quite a few temporary suspensions from DFW and LAX...
CODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2167 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6571 times:
On the East Coast, I wouldn't doubt that AA is making this move to redeploy assets in its strategy to grow JFK and augment its position at LGA. EWR is a lost cause with the dominance of Continental, and there is more money to be made at JFK and LGA with AA's more established positions.
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6457 times:
Sad to see this, but ORD-IAD and BOS-EWR seem to be covered well enough (if not too much) by other airlines. Does AA mainline fly ORD-IAD, or is it DCA/BWI only for service to ORD? Hopefully this means that AA/AE will be adding new destinations and/or added frequency at JFK. Either way, I hope there are some additions at JFK so their gorgeous new terminal can be put to good use (and I can use it, too! ).
ElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1515 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6463 times:
Dropping BOS-CMH to one daily flight was ill thought out, and this route is all but dead.
Newark was the next logical cut from Boston, after Philadelphia, Montreal and Baltimore lost American Eagle service over the past two years.
COERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1420 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6355 times:
Quoting PVD757 (Reply 5): I'm surprised to see AA continuing to trim BOS, not that there is any shortage of options between BOS and NYC...
While i'm not surprised to see BOS-EWR cut, i am surprised AA hasn't added BOS service lately. They just renovated the gate areas. Seems like a waste to me.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3807 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6304 times:
Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 6): While i'm not surprised to see BOS-EWR cut, i am surprised AA hasn't added BOS service lately. They just renovated the gate areas. Seems like a waste to me.
It's been awhile since any domestic legacy carrier added service at Logan. I think Northwest, with their additional Amsterdam flight to begin this summer, is the last one I can recall. BOS has been in hibernation for a fair bit, if not outright reductions in terms of flights or capacity.
Mainland From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 303 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6296 times:
Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 3): Sad to see this, but ORD-IAD and BOS-EWR seem to be covered well enough (if not too much) by other airlines. Does AA mainline fly ORD-IAD, or is it DCA/BWI only for service to ORD?
AA mainline only flies ORD-DCA while Eagle flies ORD-BWI. Doesn't look like there will be any upgrades on these routes post drop of ORD-IAD.
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AA is freeing up six LGA slots. One from PIT, two from CMH, one from ATL, and two from RDU. These become four daily flights to Cincinnati and two daily flights to Louisville.
BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2755 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6120 times:
Moving to the west coast for a minute:
Quoting AJMIA (Thread starter): LAX-SAN -3RT for 14 daily (eff 4/1-UFN)
LAX-SBA -2RT for 6 daily (eff 4/1-6/13)
LAX-MRY -1RT for 3 daily (eff 4/1-6/13)
Any speculation as to the temporary suspension of these Eagle flights? Spring is not necessarily off peak for MRY and SBA. I can understand a permanent reduction in LAX-SAN as a flight every half hour is frequent enough.
COERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1420 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5983 times:
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 12): Any speculation as to the temporary suspension of these Eagle flights? Spring is not necessarily off peak for MRY and SBA. I can understand a permanent reduction in LAX-SAN as a flight every half hour is frequent enough.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6049 posts, RR: 25 Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5951 times:
Quoting Humberside (Reply 9): Does anyone else serve the market? Surely business passengers will now not use AA on the route and the yields will fall?
DL and B6 both fly CMH-BOS which is probably why AA is exiting. There are too many carriers on this route.
True, but it's really not much different than the fact UA doesn't fly JFK-ORD n/s (two AA hubs). It's tough to compete against two airline hubs at the same time!
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PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 18 Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5754 times:
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 7): It's been awhile since any domestic legacy carrier added service at Logan
DL has slowly been adding struff at BOS. B6 and FL have been leading the charge lately, which is why I think we'll continue to see more reductions on the non 'trunk' legacy routes i.e. CMH, RDU, etc.
AJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 709 posts, RR: 16 Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5564 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10): AA is freeing up six LGA slots. One from PIT, two from CMH, one from ATL, and two from RDU. These become four daily flights to Cincinnati and two daily flights to Louisville.
So the LGA slots are all spoken for. What about the equipment?
Do these cuts cover adds already made or do you think we will see some more new service annoucements.
I am really hoping to see some new gateways to HPN. RDU or maybe MIA.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5548 times:
Quoting AJMIA (Reply 18): I am really hoping to see some new gateways to HPN. RDU or maybe MIA.
I understand that RDU-HPN is a good high yield route.. and there are at least 4-8 NetJet/Private jets flights into RDU most weekdays.. I don't understand why that one hasn't been started..
From what I can remember, it did well for JI when they offered it.. I guess it's something I will have to suggest to XE.. LOL.. that and PVD..
HighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1236 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5488 times:
Quoting PVD757 (Reply 5): I'm surprised to see AA continuing to trim BOS, not that there is any shortage of options between BOS and NYC...
definately. however, the do have a lot of flights to JFK and (i think) LGA. I thought BOS was a lucrative market for them...
Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 6): While i'm not surprised to see BOS-EWR cut, i am surprised AA hasn't added BOS service lately. They just renovated the gate areas. Seems like a waste to me.
Renovated gates where? AA is about due to expand at BOS...
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 7): It's been awhile since any domestic legacy carrier added service at Logan. I think Northwest, with their additional Amsterdam flight to begin this summer, is the last one I can recall. BOS has been in hibernation for a fair bit, if not outright reductions in terms of flights or capacity.
Well, Iberia added service as did Finnair and FlyGlobespan...but no US legacy folks.. i wish they would.
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RDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1315 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5460 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16): JFK isn't an AA hub and AA didn't even fly the route until about a year ago.
Okay, AA may not consider it a hub, but to me, when you connect traffic from more than a few domestic markets to other domestic markets and multiple continents through one airport, I'd at the very least call it a gateway.
Anyway, the point being in the JFK-ORD market AA has feed at both ends (meaning both conxn traffic and FF loyalty). The same is true in the IAD-ORD market for UA. UA has already massively reduced operations in the NYC area, in effect conceding market share to AA, CO, B6 etc. to focus on other things. Over the years AA has also scaled back at IAD. They can stimulate demand with their (non-hub!) significant operation at DCA and hub at ORD.
Anyway, you are very knowledgeable and I'm sure you know all this anyway. I apologize for calling JFK an AA hub (even though they have their own terminal there)...
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COERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1420 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5437 times:
Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 20): Renovated gates where? AA is about due to expand at BOS...
The added plasma screen gate info on the mainline gates, they connected the Eagle to the mainline gates(via a very nice hallway, great for spotting), and closed the old Eagle security checkpoint. They also plan to redo the concession areas.
N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3681 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5430 times:
Well, so much for "AA Announces NYC Area Growth Initiative!"
"We want to make it crystal clear that American Airlines and American Eagle are the airlines of choice for the greater New York area," said David Cush, American's Senior Vice President of Global Sales.
Yeah, except for the 50% of the NYC area west of the Hudson River!
Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6173 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5376 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 23): Well, so much for "AA Announces NYC Area Growth Initiative!"
"We want to make it crystal clear that American Airlines and American Eagle are the airlines of choice for the greater New York area," said David Cush, American's Senior Vice President of Global Sales.
Yeah, except for the 50% of the NYC area west of the Hudson River!
Yes. And it is dissapointing that AA is most likely going to let EWR get the shaft to LGA and JFK out of this deal. I hope RDU isn't the next to go.
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25 Hoya: I'm sure WN will be happy as well. Could AA's ORD-IAD be the first casualty of WN flying MDW-IAD? Fares have been really low lately (approx. $118 r/t
26 HighFlyer9790: Course! duuuhhh how could i forget?
27 MAH4546: It would be nice to see a daily MIA-HPN 738 flight. Maybe get in on the market before AirTran ineveitably does. American Eagle flew RDU-HPN for a ver
28 FreequentFlier: So what are American's "hubs"? STL, DFW, MIA and ORD? What about LAX, LGA, RDU, BOS, etc? Would you consider all these merely focus cities (if that)?
29 BAGoldEx: It's interesting to see that AE bothered to save that last one daily on BOS-CMH. I used to fly this route almost every weekend from June 2004-November
30 RedTailDTW: I would call RDU a focus city while i'd call LGA, LAX, BOS a Secondary HUB.
31 MAH4546: Dallas, Miami, O'Hare, St. Louis, and San Juan are hubs; Austin, Boston, Los Angeles, JFK, LaGuardia, Los Angeles, and Raleigh are focus cities, as A
32 Ckfred: I don't see why AA/AE is ending ORD-IAD. The business and residential growth in metro Washington is northern Virginia. I would have thought that thing
33 Hoya: Indy Air did cease operations, but another LCC entered the market: WN flying MDW-IAD. Fares from IAD to Chicago have been really low since WN started
34 AJMIA: I am not too surprised that the ORD-IAD flights were cut. This is a pretty low fare market for an RJ and I would imagine that most of it is O&D so yo
35 FlyPNS1: My guess is that some of them are being used to support the new SHV-ORD and the 2nd daily PNS-ORD. I think AA was wise to dump ORD-IAD with RJ's. Giv
36 CasInterest: RDU has to fall in the Focus city category, as Hub doesn't quite cut it for an airport that only has 500-2000 people per MONTH connecting to other fl
37 ERJ170: Kansas City does provide connecting opportunites to DFW and ORD, I think.. Jacksonville and Louisville does not.
38 FlyPNS1: The East Coast has plenty of north/south service already. Trying to use RJ's to connect via RDU would be a disaster for AA. RDU is a strong O+D marke
39 PanAm330: Agreed. AA has hubbed at RDU before, as well as BNA. They dropped both almost immediately after MIA became available- it was (and still is) extremely
40 ScottB: Perhaps because they learned from Midway and Independence Air? Midway failed because they were operating a North-South connecting hub at RDU with a r
41 Danairbus: You would need to get slots to operate more flights into DCA.
42 CasInterest: Well, I might agree, in a perfect world with perfect logic, that his makes absolute sense. However AA is starting up routes in JAX, SFD, and MCI that
43 ScottB: Well, because it is patently obvious that AA is trying to send a message to ExpressJet. The cost of throwing a few RJ's up against a competitor that
44 AJMIA: True, they need slots to increase service OR they could just bump up the size of the equipment they are using to increase capacity. AJMIA
45 FreequentFlier: Do you think AA will start bringing down serivce to IAD from other hubs? STL seems like an option as I believe they only fly RJs into IAD from STL, wh
46 ERJ170: The only MQ service at DCA is RDU (shuttle), BOS (shuttle), BNA (former hub), and NYC (shuttle).. I wouldn't say its a large service.. just high freq
47 ElmoTheHobo: He's saying that it is mostly mainline. Service to Nashville is new, and was discontinued for awhile following the closure of the Nashville hub in th
48 Tommy767: Here's an interesting tidbit: If you look at the schedules for April and May at AA.com, one of the IAD-LAX fts. is upgraded to a 763 from a 738 for a
49 FlyCMH: I believe CMH-BOS on American Eagle began in the very late 90s as a likely byproduct of Eagle's new maintenance base in CMH, which has grown to becom
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