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Any News: 747 Guam, Missing 727 Africa?  
User currently offline747hogg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8493 times:

What happened to the NWA 747 that took it's graceful final bow on the runway in Guam? Also, as I recall there was the mystery of a 727 missing in Africa..

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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8503 times:

IIRC, the NW B-747-200 with the collapsed nose gear was repaired and RTS. I don't know if it is still flying or stored now.

The missing B-727-200 has never been found, IIRC.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8364 times:

As for the NWA 747 N627US, several webpages list is as written off, though I´ve seen photos of it with the nosegear rectified and looking intact, but without titles. Probably wfu due to its age as its was anyway short of retirement when this mishap happened. There are no photos showing it in service again.

User currently offlineYLWbased From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 824 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8094 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
The missing B-727-200 has never been found, IIRC.

seriuosly, how can a jetliner just gone missing? can u imagine being the airline managment, "so, where is the 727? i sware i saw it 5 mins ago."



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User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8023 times:

for the NWA 747 I guess they kind of had to fix it to get it ouf Guam, not sure how much free space they would have for a 747 to sit with its nose on the ground.

as to the 727, assuming it is the one i recall, (how many are missing?) then there was all sorts of talk about it being in various places and all, then the talk died down, either the media went on to something as they got bored or it became a cold case.


User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8012 times:

Maybe it's the all-white 727 parked at Denver Int'l Airport.  Smile


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7967 times:

Quoting Jbernie (Reply 4):
as to the 727, assuming it is the one i recall, (how many are missing?) then there was all sorts of talk about it being in various places and all, then the talk died down, either the media went on to something as they got bored or it became a cold case.

For a time, there was even talk that the B727 that crashed close to Christmas a few years back while leaving (I think) Nigeria and headed towards Beirut was the one that was missing...

Still, I'm quite certain that I had read that it was located.

By the way - here's the original thread about it:
727 Missing In Africa (by United777 May 30 2003 in Civil Aviation)

And here's one from a while later:
727 Missing In Africa (by United777 May 30 2003 in Civil Aviation)

And here's the transcript of an interview with the B727's pilot's sister:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0307/08/ltm.12.html

Strange story nonetheless...



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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7954 times:

You know, I'd just like to take this opportunity to apologize for contaminating the message boards for people looking for info on the missing 727. If I could change my username at this point, I certainly would.  Sad


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User currently offlineYirina77 From Czech Republic, joined Aug 2006, 632 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7845 times:

We talked about missing 727 few weeks ago:

Stolen B727 In Angola In 2003 - Any News? (by Yirina77 Jan 15 2007 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7749 times:

I find it very surprising that nobody so far can say what the status of the NWA 747 is. There are only two places were it can be, either still at Guam, or it was flown to the US, and is stored in the desert. A return to service seems very unlikely as someone would have posted a picture on a.net already. Should be easy to know after a few hundred members have read this thread.

User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7685 times:
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Quoting YLWbased (Reply 3):
seriuosly, how can a jetliner just gone missing? can u imagine being the airline managment, "so, where is the 727? i sware i saw it 5 mins ago."

It can be summed up in one word : Africa.

Over there, it's entirely possible (believe it or not).

It's amazing what can just "disappear" ... there's this airplane, and several cases of large ships that have simply vanished.

And no Bermuda Triangle nearby either.

Dunno if anyone's ever managed to steal and hide a train though.

- litz


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7595 times:

Re N627US, see http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...=627US&cmndfind.x=11&cmndfind.y=11
and note the certification date is AFTER the accident and that the aircraft is still on the active register!


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7536 times:

http://image.space.rakuten.co.jp/lg0...00059040/69/imgc21ed02dlt32ps.jpeg

Don´t know the date or location of this picture of N627US, doesn´t look very active though.

As for the certifcation, this makes it even more mysterious. No one has ever posted a photograph this airplane flying since its accident.


User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7431 times:

The 727 had a tanker bladder inside the fuselage. it could have gone anywhere.


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7423 times:

I read that it was going to be used as an artificial reef.


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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7300 times:

N627US 747 will be scrapped in Guam...the airport and the scrap company from Manila are working out the details..mor info to come...

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7293 times:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20031225-0&lang=en

This is the accident that was referenced.

However, the crashed 727 and the missing 727 are both -223 models that were originally operated by American Airlines.

http://nosuchblog.blog-city.com/still_more_on_the_missing_727.htm

This blog is still active.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7277 times:

I ran into a former pilot with one of my former airlines that had been working out of that airfield doing bladder changes.

From the stories he told me, I suspect that they tried to sneak off without paying the local head-honcho and he suspects that they sent a couple of migs up to take care of the problem.



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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 12):
As for the certifcation, this makes it even more mysterious. No one has ever posted a photograph this airplane flying since its accident.

...and the professional aviation sites have it as a total loss also.

However, a total insurance loss doesn't make for an aircraft that won't fly again. The term is used to denote where the insurers have paid out the insured figure for the hull. They may then sell on the aircraft to someone else to break up, repair or whatever. Two points are clouding the issue here. It is still a Northwest owned machine according to the FAA who issued a new cert after the accident and it is known that the aircraft was eventually towed from where it came to rest back to the ramp.

Anyone here from Guam, or anyone been through Guam recently?


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

Yes... see my post above its in Guam south ramp waiting for the wrecking crew from Manila to scrap it engines are removed...they will have to comply with US and Guam EPA rules to dispose the Fuel and fluids ....and someone will have to pay the parking fee due to the Airport...

User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7108 times:

Thanks COSPN, missed your previous post. Presumably the FAA are keeping the aircraft on the register as there are issues re parking charges etc. and the aircraft is basically in one piece.

User currently offlineDevil505x From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7108 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 6):
And here's the transcript of an interview with the B727's pilot's sister:

I spoke to the pilot's brother back in the summer or early fall and he didn't have any new information. He did say he still has hope his brother or the plane will show up.


User currently offlineThePalauan From Guam, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6868 times:

I see that 747 almost everyday just sitting there. It's parked just outside of the Continental hangar where they do checks on the 738s. I didn't know about the scrapping info until I read COSPN's post. That incident really caused a local stir regarding the airport fire team's response to the situation. I got into a heated debate with a friend of mine over whether the airport was really ready or not. Hopefully, next time something like that does happen, the firefighters will respond faster and in bigger numbers.


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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

It is on One piece without engines...the Final repeort has been Issued.. Just waiting the wrecking ball...

Lots of details to work out a plane has never been parted out in Guam Before...there is a large parking fee that needs to be paid...


User currently offlineMrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 520 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

This is a bizarre case but maybe not really. There is a lot of evil stuff happening in Africa.

The plane may be being used by Victor Bout, the infamous Russian arms trafficker who works out or Sharjah....or one of this cronies. They allegedly traffick guns, people, diamonds or anything else that will pay.



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User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4356 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 6):
For a time, there was even talk that the B727 that crashed close to Christmas a few years back while leaving (I think) Nigeria and headed towards Beirut was the one that was missing...

That was in Cotonou, Benin, Christmas day 2002 or 2003. Last year parts of the fuselage were still lying on Cotonou beach. Now I happen to be in Cotonou this week, so I will check the beach again later (and get some photos!)


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