Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4023 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9079 times:
Yawn! Glad everything was OK but this sounded to be a pretty routine event, although I'm sure the pax on-board felt otherwise.
Now, if this had happened to JetBlue.............!
COA735 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9047 times:
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9041 times:
Quoting Richierich (Reply 1): Glad everything was OK but this sounded to be a pretty routine event, although I'm sure the pax on-board felt otherwise.
These kinds of things are indeed routine for the crews since they see these and other emergency scenarios in the simulator. Obviously, they're not quite so routine for the passengers, and another aircraft took them IND-PVD non-stop.
S12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9022 times:
Glad the plane landed safely, though. Sounds like a pretty routine event. Everything was done by the book, and because of that, everyone is still safe.
STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8979 posts, RR: 27 Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8992 times:
I'm kind of curious here .... in the event of a landing like this ... does the crew still say ... "We'd like to be the first to welcome you to Indianapolis...."
or.....
?????
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Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4023 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8899 times:
Yflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 839 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8879 times:
As someone with only a basic knowledge of aviation, why would the pilot choose to divert to IND for a blown tire? It doesn't seem like something that would present a danger to the plane in flight, just during landing, so why wouldn't he choose to continue to the destination and then deal with the problem there? Is is just a matter of if even the slightest thing goes wrong it's better to land at the closest airport, or are there other factors he would consider when deciding to divert?
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8826 times:
Quoting Yflyer (Reply 7): As someone with only a basic knowledge of aviation, why would the pilot choose to divert to IND for a blown tire? It doesn't seem like something that would present a danger to the plane in flight, just during landing, so why wouldn't he choose to continue to the destination and then deal with the problem there?
The clearances between a normal (unburst) tire when it's retracted inside the gear well are pretty tight, and the gear well is full of stuff (like hydraulic lines) that flapping tread could damage, Additionally, since there no doors to enclose the main gear on a 737 and the tires are partially exposed, any rupture in the sidewall of the most outboard tire could create additional drag (and thus increase fuel burn) that might preclude getting to the original destination. If you sense the tire blowout before the gear is retracted, you don't retract the gear, and with it extended, the drag/fuel penalty is even worse.
Quoting Yflyer (Reply 7): Is is just a matter of if even the slightest thing goes wrong it's better to land at the closest airport, or are there other factors he would consider when deciding to divert?
In addition to the above (which would preclude continuing) you also have to decide where to go. MDW's runways are a tad too short for most abnormal configurations (like 3 tires/brakes doing the work of 4), so IND's longer runways were more appropriate to the situation, and what the pilot and his dispatcher discussed and agreed upon...
KarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2929 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8705 times:
Yflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 839 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8605 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8): The clearances between a normal (unburst) tire when it's retracted inside the gear well are pretty tight, and the gear well is full of stuff (like hydraulic lines) that flapping tread could damage
Thanks for the explanation. I actually meant to ask if having a blown tire might prevent them from retracting the gear, but I got distracted and forgot to ask that part.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8583 times:
Quoting Yflyer (Reply 10): Thanks for the explanation. I actually meant to ask if having a blown tire might prevent them from retracting the gear, but I got distracted and forgot to ask that part.
That's a possibility that I also forgot to mention. The last thing you want to have happen is to retract a deformed tire into the gear well and not have the gear able to come down at the destination....
COSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1473 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8566 times:
IND = Long Runways no obstruction MDW= Cicero Ave... MDW is a postage stamp 1 mile by 1 mile....
these type of things are thought out beforehand... not last min decisions
Blackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1892 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8500 times:
Bottom line, no bad news. Safety first. It was a blown tire that ended the Concorde program.
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Socalfive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8235 times:
Tires are Tires, fortunately none of the airliner tires are Firestones. This has happened to me as a pilot more than once, 172, 210, Citation II. Anyone remember several years ago when a WN 737 lost a wheel during takeoff from ONT? The next day I was flying out of SAN on business on WN and standing on the jetway waiting to get on board there was a crew change on the airplane, I quietly told the FO to be sure to take a lug wrench with him on the walk around.
ATAIndy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 579 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8164 times:
Quoting Socalfive (Reply 14): Tires are Tires, fortunately none of the airliner tires are Firestones.
HAHA! That makes me laugh!
On another note, glad to see that it was all routine.
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8553 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7904 times:
ONTFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 378 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7080 times:
Quoting Socalfive (Reply 14): Anyone remember several years ago when a WN 737 lost a wheel during takeoff from ONT?
Not sure if that's another unrelated story but I seem to remember an incident involving WN at ONT where one of the main gears got stuck either while being retracted during T/O or while trying to deploy for landing. In any case the crew circled the ONT area for a while doing porpoise manuevers in an attempt to shake free the stuck landing gear. Not sure if they actually tried a touch and go as well to try to shake the gear loose but in the end, they made a landing without that landing gear ever coming down. I remember seeing the pilot holding off the plane on the other two gears for as long as possible before gently putting down the side where the gear failed to come down. It was really a job well done. I'll try to find some more info. If I recall correctly, there was a local news reporter on that flight. I'll see what I can find.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6807 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8): Additionally, since there no doors to enclose the main gear on a 737 and the tires are partially exposed, any rupture in the sidewall of the most outboard tire could create additional drag (and thus increase fuel burn) that might preclude getting to the original destination
Heard of the Frangible Fitting at the MWW.
regds
MEL
727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 783 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6719 times:
Quoting Socalfive (Reply 14): fortunately none of the airliner tires are Firestones
I have seen Bridgestones on our 727s from time to time. Can't tell a difference as they all land hard in the tri-jet.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5737 times:
Quoting ONTFlyer (Reply 18): Not sure if that's another unrelated story but I seem to remember an incident involving WN at ONT where one of the main gears got stuck either while being retracted during T/O or while trying to deploy for landing. In any case the crew circled the ONT area for a while doing porpoise manuevers in an attempt to shake free the stuck landing gear. Not sure if they actually tried a touch and go as well to try to shake the gear loose but in the end, they made a landing without that landing gear ever coming down. I remember seeing the pilot holding off the plane on the other two gears for as long as possible before gently putting down the side where the gear failed to come down. It was really a job well done. I'll try to find some more info. If I recall correctly, there was a local news reporter on that flight. I'll see what I can find.
SWA1767 LAS-BUR N331SW April 30, 1996, Left main gear stuck at a 45 degree angle, diverted to ONT. I know the dispatcher who worked it...
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 19): Heard of the Frangible Fitting at the MWW
Yes I have , but how would that help the sidewall of the tire being compromised?
Richm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 794 posts, RR: 11 Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3956 times:
I don't understand why the media report such events such as this. I mean, if a coach had a burst tyre and had to pull onto the hard shoulder, it wouldn't be plastered all over the news unless it resulted in fatalities. So why do airlines get treated differently?
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3922 times:
Quoting Richm (Reply 23): So why do airlines get treated differently?
1. Aircraft are more exotic than cars/buses...
2. February is a "sweeps" ratings period...
25 ONTFlyer: That's the one. Thanks for jogging the memory loose OPNLguy. Interesting enough, I've flown N331SW 5 times in the past year. So what's that like from
26 OPNLguy: Alot of coordination in a very short, compressed timeframe...
27 Jeremy: I agree! They had 3 helicopters over the runway and a camera crew in the terminal for this. The media loves the airport! They ought to just put up a
28 JetJeanes: Wn,s maintainance on their tires have slowly been declineing over the years ever since they went with a Chinese version for the 737,s Their tire inspe
29 STLGph: sweeps isn't about spot news. because it's an airplane. there's nothing plastering about it. a plane lands and people are off in the corner of an air
30 ONTFlyer: Gotcha. Well keep up the good work to you and all your colleagues around the world!
31 OPNLguy: I think they cancelled a couple of other flights and swapped aircraft around. Ah, OK, sure... (TERROR IN THE SKIES! FILM at 10!)
32 STLGph: thank you for advertising my JetBlue expose (cue laugh track)
34 KELPkid: Care to elaborate on this/cite sources? What are you saying, that WN uses Chinese made tires/wheel assemblies? If they were really that inferior, I'd
35 OPNLguy: Can you substantiate any of that? Assuming you're not a SWA employee, how exactly could you even know what is/isn't the case?
36 IAHFLYR: yes please do elaborate! as KELPkid asked. Who is the person making these unsubstantiated remarks? Unless you are the SWA employee making these comme
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