EVA777SEA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 471 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4331 times:
Me and the family are goin to Hawaii and are probably goin on NW. Now, NW's 753s don't sound as appealing as HA's 763s but i'm tryin to make the best of it. I was wondering, is SEA-HNL ever get equipment upgrades every now and then? Such as an A330? Any answers would be great!
B6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4205 times:
i'm not much of a NW buff but my thoughts would be no. NW's A330's are used on the intra-Asia/Pacific and Atlantic flights. probably the only time you'll see an A330 touch down in HNL would be from MSP (and DTW, if/when they re-start service).
Dutchdragon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 22 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4192 times:
Looks like you might either have to wait a while for that to happen unfortunately
According to my latest version of American Express' Executive Travel "Skyguide", NW is only flying there A330's between MSP to HNL and if you want to fly a 777, you would have to fly HNL from either SFO or ORD.
Otherwise, everyone is mostly flying 767's and 757's to and from the mainland to the Hawaiian Islands, other than the 737NG'S from the West Coast and the wide bodies from Asia and the South Pacific.
Since I too live hear in Seattle, and having live litteraly "spitting distance" from SeaTac airport, back in the early 80's, I remember when Northwest, United, Transamerica (anyone remember them ?) and World Airlines were flying 747's to and from Seattle to Honolulu. Sadly, those days are long since gone ! ;'-(
Unless either Hawaiian Air invests in getting bigger widebodies (777's/787's), Aloha Air gets some widebodies and the same could be said for Alaska Air as well, I guess that is what we might be stuck with for some time. Every US airline is flying their bigger widebodies (747's and 777's and A330's) mostly on transpacific and transatlantic flight currently.
I know that Northwest put in a order with Boeing for some 787's in the past 12 months, however, how they are going to use them is the bigger question; are they to add to the NW A330 fleet or to replace them and how will they used, on transatlantic, transpacific or transcontinental flights ? I guess we can only wait and see once they get them. I am still dissapointed that they bought them, the A330's in the first place, since I was hoping that they were going to buy Boeings 767's and/or 777's instead, but that my opinion anyways.
Hope that helps you and give you a "brief" history lesson ! :-P LOL
RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3045 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4159 times:
I always wondered why NW didn't send the A330 to HNL. As it currently stands, the NRT/AMS planes sit in SEA for almost 23 hours a day. That's plenty of time for a turn to HNL. I guess they must do maintenance in between the flights. Is that the case?
AlexInWa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1124 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3994 times:
The maintenance base in SEA is still operational, however, not really sure how much of that is needed on brand new 330's??? I always wondered why that 330 sat just off S 188th ST for such a long time. Im with you, going to HNL would make alot more sense than not flying at all.
But then I guess you would have a 753 on the ground for a long time. But why not send it to ANC??? The cargo alone should make that flight worthwhile!?
FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3661 times:
To answer your question, you don't stand a chance of seeing an A330 subbed in for your 753, really.
NW flies A330-300s from MSP and DTW to HNL, and A330-200s from SEA-NRT, but I just could not see any way either of those would get subbed into a 753 route. In all honesty, NW's 757-300s are the nicest narrowbodies in their fleet to fly on, so it shouldn't be a terribly unpleasant flight.
"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
SeattleFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 153 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3477 times:
The aircraft aside, I would think you would have a better overall experience with Hawaiian over Northworst. It's been quite a while but my experience with Northwest on SEA-HNL was certainly nothing to write home about - less convenient schedule, unfriendly crew, uninspired catering, etc. On the otherhand, I've never been dissappointed by the friendliness of the crew and the quality of service on HA.
HA offers a real meal - for free (and not bad as of last November) - as well as snacks for purchase. They also offer Digiplayer to rent in addition to the overhead shows/movies. If I'm not mistaken, NW only has food for purchase and only offer the overhead movie.
Also, HA 767 have a 2-3-2 configuration which mean your never more than 1 seat from the aisle even when at the window. Whereas NW 757 has 3-3 seating - which I never like - few % aisle seats if that's your preference or further from the aisle if you prefer window seats. Seats are almost 1" wider on HA.
BAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2018 posts, RR: 29 Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3414 times:
Well, since I too live in the Seattle area, thought I'd throw my two cents worth in...
Have to agree with our esteemed colleagues on this forum when saying it is highly unlikely that NW would put an A330 on SEA-HNL (remember, never say never...because one never knows when never doesn't apply, right?....sorry, the meds).
NW 753s are just as uncomfortable as NWs 752s. The big difference is that they are newer and (I believe) have a different Y class seat (but no PTV).
Now HA 763s are configured for 32 in pitch and an 18 in wide seat. I'd take that bird to HNL in a heartbeat. We had the same configuration on the AZ birds we had flying SFO-MXP for 12 hours nonstop which I have flown in Y class and survived quite well...SEA-HNL is about 6 hrs westbound on a bad day and about 5 hrs coming back (especially this time of year with an El Nino and all the Pineapple Expresses we've gotten this year). Right at the moment, it is snowing hard here (yes, on Feb 28 it is snowing in Seattle, go figure), so Hawaii looks really appealing right now, although at the moment I couldn't stand the flying (for reasons which are explained in a couple of my other posts).
The A330s that operate from here go SEA-NRT, SEA-AMS and occasionally, SEA-MSP (probably for maintenance rotation on flights from overseas).
Since my FF miles are with SkyTeam, if I went to Hawaii, I'd probably scoot down to SFO on AS and take DL (who operate B767-400s to Hawaii...I've flown it to HNL...pretty comfortable in Y class). However, that adds about four hours to the trip in each direction (and about an extra 1500 miles to my account ).
Of course, we could all wait for AS to get their ETOPS certification...then we'd be flying a 737-700 to Hawaii. However, I don't think that's going to happen before the original poster travels to Hawaii. The configuration on the AS birds is far more comfortable than anybody else's narrowbodies up and down the west coast.
I guess my final word on this is that there are far worse things than NWs 753s to Hawaii, so I'd just take your favorite sleep formula and think about 80+ degree weather rather than snow. The trip will go faster that way.
David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 23165 posts, RR: 23 Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3165 times:
Quoting Dutchdragon (Reply 2): I remember when Northwest, United, Transamerica (anyone remember them ?) and World Airlines were flying 747's to and from Seattle to Honolulu. Sadly, those days are long since gone
Braniff also operated the 747 SEA-HNL briefly in 1979. It only lasted a few months before they dropped the route..
ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 7 Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2169 times:
Quoting SeattleFlyer (Reply 11): The aircraft aside, I would think you would have a better overall experience with Hawaiian over Northworst. It's been quite a while but my experience with Northwest on SEA-HNL was certainly nothing to write home about - less convenient schedule, unfriendly crew, uninspired catering, etc. On the otherhand, I've never been dissappointed by the friendliness of the crew and the quality of service on HA.
I've flown both and there's no comparision (even when NW flew the DC10). HA is a far more pleasant experience.
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 15): Quoting BAW716 (Reply 13):
Of course, we could all wait for AS to get their ETOPS certification...then we'd be flying a 737-700 to Hawaii.
Only if NW drops their Hawaii routes. AS and NW have a gentlemans agreement with one another, they won't compete on the same routes.
Don't bet the farm on this one - watch the schedules come this fall..........
BAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2018 posts, RR: 29 Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1987 times:
I have it on very good authority that AS is planning on flying Hawaii and is somewhere in the ETOPS process. AS/NW has a marketing agreement; that's pretty much all. AS/NW cannot have a "gentleman's agreement" on routes; that would be in violation of the Sherman Anti Trust Act (as it applies to airlines).
It is my understanding that they will fly ANC-HNL and possibly SEA-HNL; the issue for them has been getting the right ETOPS certification to fly ANC-HNL with a 737-700. The only question remaining is will they fly SEA-HNL with a -700 or a -800. As to when this service will start, I don't know that...but I'm sure it will be sometime this year.
As to affecting the relationship between AS/NW, having AS fly SEA-HNL will actually help NW and SkyTeam in general, since AS has marketing agreements with CO/DL/NW; the three domestic players in SkyTeam. I would imagine that there will be some code sharing arrangement on these flights with somebody.
Time will tell.
David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998