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Does The US Have A Flag Carrier?  
User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

Most countries have a "flag carrier" such as KLM is the Dutch flag carrier and Tahi is the flag carrier of Tahiland. What is the flag carrier in the US? I know that UA, NWA, DL, US, AA, and TW all have the flag on their aircraft. I am not sure about Southwest, Alaska, or HP. Also, who is the flag carrier of the UK? How about Japan: JAL or ANA or both? Thanks in advance.

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User currently offlineAdvancedkid From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

Thats a looong story.
First of all one has to see the difference
of structures between the US-airlines and those
of the rest of the world. In the US all the
airlines were/are privately owned since the
very days when aviation was born.
In Europe however, as well as the rest of
the world, every country started its own
national airline and that was logically a state
owned enterprise.
I think that's enough for tonight..yaawn.
I hope my little info gave you some insight.
Regards,
Advancedkid


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4780 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Hmmm....have we heard this topic before?  

There is NO official flag carrier in the US because of the limited government involvement and great competition.


User currently offlineHgfkjsez From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

British Ariways is the flag carrier of the UK.

User currently offlineGreggj From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

No, but United is as close as you can get....

User currently offlineNeder99 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2000, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

OK, I know that this doesn't really relate to the topic, but,
Mason, it's actually Thai and the country is Thailand, NOT Tahi & Tahiland!!!!!!
(next time, you can read the "confirm message" page, point nr.3: Is spelling OK !!!!!!!!, or then maybe if you didn't know how to spell those two words, now you do!!!)


User currently offlineG-SPOT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3667 times:


Althought the U.S. does not have a flag carrier per se (i.e. a government owned airline), you can count any U.S. airline with International destinations as a Flag Carrier since it represents the U.S. abroad.

UA, AA, DL, NW, CO, US, TW, HP, AS, and TZ are major U.S airlines that are flag carriers. WN is not because they only serve U.S. destinations. Hey, even Air Tran and Comair are considered Flag Carriers because they serve destinations in the Bahamas and Canada (Comair does anyway).

Oscar Tango


User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

American and UsAirways  
rgds,
blink182



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Probably the closest thing to a flag carrier the U.S. has ever had was Pan American World Airways.


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User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

In the past, Pan American World Airways was the American flag carrier...TWA was the second American flag carrier. A flag carrier is the airline or airlines that represent your country outside your borders. This airline is usually designated in bilateral agreements between countries.

Currently, there are quite a few American flag carriers as described by G-SPOT a few posts above this one.


User currently offlineAdy From Panama, joined Nov 2000, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

The US doesn't have a flag carrier, but in my opinion I think American Airlines should have that title.


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User currently offlineSoku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

Tis is almost like Britain where they have VIrgin and BA carrying the flag (despite the world tails the Union jack is considered the ''flag'').


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User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Pan Am or TWA was the closest... Now, probably American....


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User currently offlineAa737 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 849 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Slightly off topic, but I believe Virgin is the official flag carrier of the UK. BA lost the title of flag carrier when they introduced the world colors and virgin stepped up to take BAs role as flag carrier.

User currently offlineBaec777XX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

Blink182, I agree with you just before I said. WAY TO GO man   hehehhehe light me a cigar man. im smokey here hahahahah


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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3554 times:

i think the U.S govt should take over PanAm and make it their flag carrier, please revive the airlines former glory 


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User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

HA! Why American? Just becuase they are called "American" and their planes are painted red white and blue? So What. The U.S. doesn't have an official flag carrier.

User currently offlineAdvancedkid From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

Take a look at a US Airways jet, doesn't it
carry the US flag on the tail  ?? This topic is really funny now.
Regards,
Advancedkid


User currently offlineLatechpilot From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

UAL is the World's largest airline, so that should make them the Earth's flag carrier. Continental has the most international destinations of any US airline, so that should make them the Unites States' flag carrier.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8002 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3514 times:

Right now, the closest thing we have to a US-based "flag carrier" is United Airlines.

The reason is simple: UA took over all over Pan Am's Pacific Division routes, and UA also has flights to Europe.

Mind you, with more and more "open skies" treaties being ratified and many current air treaties up for renegotiation, don't be surprised that the USA will have technically four airlines with "flag carrier" titles 4-5 years from now: American Airlinres, Continental Airlines, Delta Air Lines, and United Airlines.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

Back in the days where each country had one home-based airline that flew internationally, flag carrier designation was largely a cerimonial designation involving national pride, etc.

Today, here in the US at least, it refers to any US-registered airline that operates scheduled service to international points. US Part 121, which governs the majority of operations here in the USA, sometimes differentiates between Domestic operations and Flag operations by the virtue of the type of flight-related differences involved.

As far as I can recall (and someone feel free to correct me), if a US Domestic carrier wants to run a charter to an international destination, it doesn't automatically make them a Flag carrier, since it's *scheduled* international service that's the key. Non-standard operations such as offline domestic charters are handled (per the airline's Ops Specs) as a supplemental operation, and I think international charters would also be.

Outside the US, "Flag" carriers are still largely a cerimonial designation, notwithstanding any regulatory differences within the regulations of the home country...


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Let's not overlook NWA. They have a significant presence in Asia-Pacific market.

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