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AP: Boeing In Talks With Potential 747 Customers  
User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12754 times:

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AP
Boeing in Talks About 747 Airplane Sales
Wednesday February 28, 12:54 pm ET
Boeing Says It's in Talks With 15 Companies About Possible Sales of New 747 Wide-Body Airplane


LONDON (AP) -- Boeing Co. said Wednesday that it is in talks with 15 companies in Europe, Asia and the Middle East about potential sales of its new longer 747 wide-body airplane.
Randy Tinseth, Boeing's vice president for 747 customers, said those discussions involved both the passenger and freight versions of the 747-8 airplane. Tinseth declined to name the potential buyers, comment on the number of planes under discussion or whether any North American airlines are interested.


Speaking at a briefing in London, Boeing executives also declined to comment on whether British Airways PLC, which has publicly expressed an interest in the plane, was planning to place an order.

"We continue to work very closely with BA, we are going to respond on every point," said Marlin Dailey, vice president of sales for Europe and central Asia.

Chicago-based Boeing has received 78 orders for the 747-8, including 24 passenger versions. German airline Lufthansa AG has made 20 of those passenger orders, with the other four going to private VIP customers.

Dan Mooney, vice president of the 747-8 program, said that development of the long-haul jet is on schedule.

Boeing executives stressed that the 467-seat 747-8 is not a direct competitor to Toulouse, France-based Airbus' A380 superjumbo, which has 555 seats.

With analysts and others in the industry pitting the new aircraft head-to-head, Tinseth said the 747-8 had been designed to be compatible with existing Boeing 747 and 777 fleets and the Airbus A340 and A380 family.

However, Luxembourg-based freight company Cargolux, announced 10 firm orders for the 747-8 after discussions with both plane makers in the development stages of each new aircraft.

Analysts believe that after concentrating massive resources on the A380, Airbus has been outmaneuvered by the 787, which delivers better fuel economy than older four-engine Airbus jets in the same size category.

Higher fuel prices have made the fuel-efficiency argument more persuasive. Airbus unveiled a restructuring Wednesday to cut 10,000 jobs over four years as it tries to overcome costly delays to its A380 program and the effects of a weaker U.S. dollar."

The questions begs, who is the next 747-8i customer?


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8671 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12734 times:

It wouldnt surprise me if BA was one of them.

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5752 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12735 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Thread starter):
The questions begs, who is the next 747-8i customer?

I think it'll be VS. BA will be spurred to making a decision sooner rather than later (onthe 748I) in part because VS will be ordering it before they do.



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User currently offlinePExDCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12647 times:

I bet JL is a good possibility.


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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12584 times:

For North America, I just dont see any orders anytime soon despite the need to do replace aircraft. The financials just aren't there yet for the big 6. Of those UA is the most likely to order it I think.

I do expect BA to order it. I dont know who else would.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30909 posts, RR: 87
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12559 times:
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If any US carrier takes it, it will be UA. But their CFO has said he understand the need to update their fleet, but he'd rather wait for "new generation" products (737RS/A320RS, 787, A350XWB) to do so.

User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12497 times:

Of course they are in talks with several airlines... that's how they sell planes... really this is number X of such reports... in the mean time I keep hopeing for tons 748 orders! BA, VS, JL, CX, EK, etc. are all on my wishlist too  Smile


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12240 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
I think it'll be VS. BA will be spurred to making a decision sooner rather than later (onthe 748I) in part because VS will be ordering it before they do.

And why would BA order the B748 because of VS while not following VS on the A380? BA will order either plane if it makes sense for them, but certainly not because 'the other guys' have it.



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User currently offlineUALMMFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12006 times:

Quote:
Boeing in Talks About 747 Airplane Sales

The key word here is "TALKS".

Airplane manufacturers talk to airlines all the time.

Why would this piece of information be anything usual? It must be a slow day for the press



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11979 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
BA will be spurred to making a decision sooner rather than later (onthe 748I) in part because VS will be ordering it before they do.

If they'd follow your logic, then BA would have ordered quite a few A380s a long time ago. If BA orders the 747-8I, then it's not because they just "jumped on the bandwagon". That being said, I'm still confident about BA ordering the 747-8I. As for VS, the 747-8I might only have a big chance of making it to their fleet if they cancel at least half of their A380 order.


User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11882 times:
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9):
As for VS, the 747-8I might only have a big chance of making it to their fleet if they cancel at least half of their A380 order.

What makes you say that? The A380 is considerably larger than the A340s and 744s they currently use, so logic would suggest they'd need a slightly smaller aircraft to replace those types. Plus, VS likes to stress the whole "Fly a Younger Fleet" concept so the 748 would be a good intermediate step for them to replace older units with until the A380s are ready.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11801 times:

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 10):
What makes you say that?

It's an assumption, an uneducated one perhaps (and for that I apologise), but just an assumption. Besides, wasn't it SRB himself who originally ruled out buying more 747s for VS?


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4763 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11464 times:
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CI will sign for those 10 747/A340 replacements they have been pondering about for over a year as soon as the Pentagon sends pricing and availability information to the Taiwanese Ministry of Defense for the 66 block 52 F16s they want. That is assuming the French don't send pricing on Rafales before then!

User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11223 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
If any US carrier takes it, it will be UA. But their CFO has said he understand the need to update their fleet, but he'd rather wait for "new generation" products (737RS/A320RS, 787, A350XWB) to do so.

I thought I read in a prior post that UA has a dozen or so routes that require a plane at least the size of the 744. Other than the 380, there really isn't a plane on the horizon that offers the capacity of the 744. What aircraft can replace the 744 or 380?


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8671 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11208 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 13):
What aircraft can replace the 744 or 380?

The 748I. UA has a 50% chance I say of ordering it.

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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11189 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 14):
UA has a 50% chance I say of ordering it.

I disagree... I think its higher than that. I would say 75% as the A380 is too much plane and the 773ER is too little.

UA has had success with the 744, so why would they change that?

Just my 2 cents!



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User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11163 times:

VS just announced they're scaling back their growth by 50% over the coming years, as part of their new delivery timeline for the A346's and A380's they have on order. If they're slowing their growth, picking up the second largest airliner in the world right now wouldn't make much sense, would it? I just have a hard time seeing how VS would be one of them unless they're picking up delviery dates WAY in the future.


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User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11068 times:
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Quoting Lemurs (Reply 16):

Has VS announced plans to replace their current 744s with either the A346s or the A380s? If they have not, and these new Airbus products are going to be used to replace current A340s and for overall growth, than I'd say the company is still very much a candidate for the 748 because they'll need something to replace the 744s.


User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10905 times:

I'm surprised no one mentioned AI?

Or EY, or TG?



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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1447 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10778 times:

Seriosusly, Boeing are not gonna come out and say they aren't talking to anybody regarding the 748. I.am actually surprised the number of airlines they put out there is only 15. Heck, include airlines like IB, QR and Finnair if you want.


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User currently offlineGECMD11 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10761 times:

My list : BA,CX,UA,JL...and one day poss LH-Cargo....

User currently offline2wingtips From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10244 times:

EK is definitely very high up there on the list, as is CI.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10213 times:

Is this a weekly or bi-weekly ritual? I mean, how many times do we need an article saying: "Boeing salespeople are talking to airlines about buying the 747." Isn't that their job?  Wink


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User currently offlineSCAT15F From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9885 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
Is this a weekly or bi-weekly ritual? I mean, how many times do we need an article saying: "Boeing salespeople are talking to airlines about buying the 747." Isn't that their job?

I must admit, I am getting tired of that "talk" as well. What we need is some specific customers and WHEN they plan to make decisions on the 748; NOT like BA saying "later this year". I mean, what's the point of a comment like that?

Actually, I still think NW is a good possibility for the 748I -despite the bankruptcy- after all, they somehow were able to afford all the 788's they ordered in spite of being in the red, and now they are emerging from chapter 11.
NWA's fleet of 744's are even older than UA's. In fact, they recieved the first 744 off the line, so they have the oldest 744 of anyone.


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8933 times:

Unfortunately, I don't see any of the US carriers ordering 748i's any time soon, if ever. I think BA is all sewn up though. I'd expect a bunch of sales in Asia as well as more in Europe.


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25 Manni : The timing of this 'no news' is interesting, I suspect it's nothing more then asking for attention at the time Airbus announces that they will simulta
26 Post contains images MCIGuy : OK..... I too, suspect the timing, as in, they know an order or two are in the bag and they're itching to say it.
27 Dougbr2006 : Does VS need the capacity after all they just pushed back A340600 delivery slots !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
28 LHStarAlliance : Yeah that for sure as they are renting 744s of other airlines , they need A/Cs in this size ...
29 Post contains images PEET7G : I'm with you on this one...
30 Warren747sp : It will be CI. plus NW would be a pleasant surprise since they need aircraft badly for any expansion or just to maintain market share.
31 Post contains images USAF336TFS : A rare occasion that we agree Manni I was thinking that this could be an attempt to jiggle up the stock price after the market meltdowns on Tuesday.
32 Joni : I agree - in fact I'm a bit surprised they only say they're in talks with 15 airlines.. of course that doesn't exclude that they'd be in talks with m
33 Post contains images Columba : Although they have said the 20 purchase rights are for the 748I only I think there also a slight possibility that some of them are going to changed i
34 Post contains images LHStarAlliance : Oh that would be perfect : 748I , 748F ,777F , 783 , 350-9/-10 , 380-800/-900 ... best fleet ... But I don´t think they´ll change the options they
35 NA : I agree, LH will have the best fleet in the world by 2012. But I doubt that we will see A350 AND 787s here, I´m pretty sure LHs future "middelclass"
36 JAAlbert : Of course, in the US, giving out false information which has the effect of bolstering the value of its stock is securities fraud. I am sure Boeing is
37 LHStarAlliance : Yeah it´s just a dream-wish , but maybe for the 300s they get some 783s with same engines as the 748 , and they order just 787s instead of 350s... I
38 Trex8 : but they aren't the same fan size and the 787s are bleedless, given they will have lots of Trents in the fleet anyway, there may be little gained hav
39 USAF336TFS : I didn't mean to imply fraud in any way, shape or form. My comments were aimed the perception, rightly so, of a slow news day. I did suggest however,
40 LCFreeman49 : I work with Delta and know the ompany philosphy of the company with never owning a four engined aircraft again, but for my money, with the way Delta i
41 SEPilot : My experience with company directives like that is invariably they run headlong into reality. Either the company realizes that the blind directive is
42 Bphendri : I hope Asiana is one of them.. I would love to see a 748i in OZ colors, especially the new paint scheme.
43 Post contains images Keesje : I hope the 747-8i will score some additional sales, most likely with traditional Boeing state customers like JAL, Korean, Air China. 2,5 years after B
44 DAYflyer : I predict the 747-8i will outsell the A-380 by a margin of two to one within 5 years.
45 Post contains images Stitch : Baby steps, Keesje. Baby steps. After all, it took Airbus five years to secure the first 50 orders to launch the A388 program, so while Carson is righ
46 Post contains images JAAlbert : And I of course hope you don't think I am saying so about you! I'm just adding my two cents worth and you have a valid point about what Boeing is up
47 SEPilot : You have it backwards; as I heard it they plan on 2/3 freighters and 1/3 passenger. Certainly that is the way the sales have gone. Now with the A380F
48 Post contains images PEET7G : Wow, now that's an interesting bet
49 Post contains links Keesje : That is if they adjust the plan to the reality. (with is nout unlikely of-course) Boeing so far has received 44 orders for the dash 8F but none from
50 SEPilot : This is way out of date; in 2006 Boeing received 48 orders for the 748F and 24 orders for the 748i (20 from LH-did you forget that one?) according to
51 Art : I agree that aircraft manufacturers talking to airlines about buying their products is not news. Talking to airlines that are "known" to be in a posi
52 Keesje : The qoutes / links were just to show Boeing plan is to sell twice as much 8i´s then 8F´s. And I think it matters, It´s why both Airbus and Boeing
53 Post contains images 2wingtips : Why does it matter? The 747 is a mature frame that doesn't have to be the cash cow that the 737/777/787 do. It is not a high volume segment and they'
54 BoomBoom : I read somewhere that Boeing's freighters actually have a higher profit margin than the commercial planes. Sorry, I didn't save the article. Can anyo
55 Manni : I won't sit in front of my TV to watch it live on CNN but apparently the LAX airport authority tought the occasion is big enough to whine about the i
56 ZKSUJ : Me too. Although NZ seem to be leaning (up till late) towards the 77W, I hope for 748Is in their fleet. QF IMO will place an order for them eventuall
57 BoomBoom : The bigger story was the whining, rather than the A380.
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