USAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 43 Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13650 times:
Fair Use from Associated Press:
Boeing in Talks About 747 Airplane Sales
Wednesday February 28, 12:54 pm ET
Boeing Says It's in Talks With 15 Companies About Possible Sales of New 747 Wide-Body Airplane
LONDON (AP) -- Boeing Co. said Wednesday that it is in talks with 15 companies in Europe, Asia and the Middle East about potential sales of its new longer 747 wide-body airplane.
Randy Tinseth, Boeing's vice president for 747 customers, said those discussions involved both the passenger and freight versions of the 747-8 airplane. Tinseth declined to name the potential buyers, comment on the number of planes under discussion or whether any North American airlines are interested.
Speaking at a briefing in London, Boeing executives also declined to comment on whether British Airways PLC, which has publicly expressed an interest in the plane, was planning to place an order.
"We continue to work very closely with BA, we are going to respond on every point," said Marlin Dailey, vice president of sales for Europe and central Asia.
Chicago-based Boeing has received 78 orders for the 747-8, including 24 passenger versions. German airline Lufthansa AG has made 20 of those passenger orders, with the other four going to private VIP customers.
Dan Mooney, vice president of the 747-8 program, said that development of the long-haul jet is on schedule.
Boeing executives stressed that the 467-seat 747-8 is not a direct competitor to Toulouse, France-based Airbus' A380 superjumbo, which has 555 seats.
With analysts and others in the industry pitting the new aircraft head-to-head, Tinseth said the 747-8 had been designed to be compatible with existing Boeing 747 and 777 fleets and the Airbus A340 and A380 family.
However, Luxembourg-based freight company Cargolux, announced 10 firm orders for the 747-8 after discussions with both plane makers in the development stages of each new aircraft.
Analysts believe that after concentrating massive resources on the A380, Airbus has been outmaneuvered by the 787, which delivers better fuel economy than older four-engine Airbus jets in the same size category.
Higher fuel prices have made the fuel-efficiency argument more persuasive. Airbus unveiled a restructuring Wednesday to cut 10,000 jobs over four years as it tries to overcome costly delays to its A380 program and the effects of a weaker U.S. dollar."
The questions begs, who is the next 747-8i customer?
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DAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13480 times:
For North America, I just dont see any orders anytime soon despite the need to do replace aircraft. The financials just aren't there yet for the big 6. Of those UA is the most likely to order it I think.
I do expect BA to order it. I dont know who else would.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 34051 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13455 times:
If any US carrier takes it, it will be UA. But their CFO has said he understand the need to update their fleet, but he'd rather wait for "new generation" products (737RS/A320RS, 787, A350XWB) to do so.
PEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13393 times:
Of course they are in talks with several airlines... that's how they sell planes... really this is number X of such reports... in the mean time I keep hopeing for tons 748 orders! BA, VS, JL, CX, EK, etc. are all on my wishlist too
LTU932 From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2006, 14296 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12875 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2): BA will be spurred to making a decision sooner rather than later (onthe 748I) in part because VS will be ordering it before they do.
If they'd follow your logic, then BA would have ordered quite a few A380s a long time ago. If BA orders the 747-8I, then it's not because they just "jumped on the bandwagon". That being said, I'm still confident about BA ordering the 747-8I. As for VS, the 747-8I might only have a big chance of making it to their fleet if they cancel at least half of their A380 order.
AviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12778 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9): As for VS, the 747-8I might only have a big chance of making it to their fleet if they cancel at least half of their A380 order.
What makes you say that? The A380 is considerably larger than the A340s and 744s they currently use, so logic would suggest they'd need a slightly smaller aircraft to replace those types. Plus, VS likes to stress the whole "Fly a Younger Fleet" concept so the 748 would be a good intermediate step for them to replace older units with until the A380s are ready.
Trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 5550 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12360 times:
CI will sign for those 10 747/A340 replacements they have been pondering about for over a year as soon as the Pentagon sends pricing and availability information to the Taiwanese Ministry of Defense for the 66 block 52 F16s they want. That is assuming the French don't send pricing on Rafales before then!
JAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12119 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 5): If any US carrier takes it, it will be UA. But their CFO has said he understand the need to update their fleet, but he'd rather wait for "new generation" products (737RS/A320RS, 787, A350XWB) to do so.
I thought I read in a prior post that UA has a dozen or so routes that require a plane at least the size of the 744. Other than the 380, there really isn't a plane on the horizon that offers the capacity of the 744. What aircraft can replace the 744 or 380?
Lemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12059 times:
VS just announced they're scaling back their growth by 50% over the coming years, as part of their new delivery timeline for the A346's and A380's they have on order. If they're slowing their growth, picking up the second largest airliner in the world right now wouldn't make much sense, would it? I just have a hard time seeing how VS would be one of them unless they're picking up delviery dates WAY in the future.
There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary, and those that don't.
Has VS announced plans to replace their current 744s with either the A346s or the A380s? If they have not, and these new Airbus products are going to be used to replace current A340s and for overall growth, than I'd say the company is still very much a candidate for the 748 because they'll need something to replace the 744s.
Norcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1477 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11674 times:
Seriosusly, Boeing are not gonna come out and say they aren't talking to anybody regarding the 748. I.am actually surprised the number of airlines they put out there is only 15. Heck, include airlines like IB, QR and Finnair if you want.
SCAT15F From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10781 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22): Is this a weekly or bi-weekly ritual? I mean, how many times do we need an article saying: "Boeing salespeople are talking to airlines about buying the 747." Isn't that their job?
I must admit, I am getting tired of that "talk" as well. What we need is some specific customers and WHEN they plan to make decisions on the 748; NOT like BA saying "later this year". I mean, what's the point of a comment like that?
Actually, I still think NW is a good possibility for the 748I -despite the bankruptcy- after all, they somehow were able to afford all the 788's they ordered in spite of being in the red, and now they are emerging from chapter 11.
NWA's fleet of 744's are even older than UA's. In fact, they recieved the first 744 off the line, so they have the oldest 744 of anyone.