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The First-Ever Indiana Aviation Thread!  
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3723 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

In the tradition of all those other aviation threads, I thought "why not start one for Indiana?" It doesn't matter whether we're taking IND, FWA, SBN, EVV, GYY, or whatever... as long as it's in the State of Indiana, it's fair game.

I'll start out with these questions. First, now that Allegiant can be found at both SBN and FWA, is EVV next? I think EVV is ripe for G4.

Secondly, how is SkyValue/Xtra Airways doing at GYY? I've heard mixed things.

Thirdly, will AirTran actually enter FWA? My hometown airport could still use some more competition, and we were in the top 5 cities in terms of votes in FL's poll.

And no Indiana thread would be complete without mentioning IND. Once the new terminal opens in about a year and a half, I'm wondering how the gates will be allocated... will NW and FL get more dedicated gates, or will it be a common-use system?

Feel free to answer these questions and add your own!


I don't work for FWA, their tenants, or their ad agency. But I still love FWA.
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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

Whatever happend to the proposed IND-EVV FWA flights the state was going to subsidize ???

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

Don't forget that you have one of the most successful regionals, Republic, headquartered in IND as well.....

User currently offlineORDTerminal1 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

Don't forget KLAF either, Indiana's second busiest airport....also the school I fly for  Smile


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3723 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3605 times:

Quoting COSPN (Reply 1):
Whatever happend to the proposed IND-EVV FWA flights the state was going to subsidize ???

The proposed intrastate flights went by the wayside after ATA decided to shut down their ATA Connection division. IND-FWA barely lasted four months, and IND-GYY never started... not sure about IND-EVV.



I don't work for FWA, their tenants, or their ad agency. But I still love FWA.
User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

Here are my two big Indiana questions:

1. When is LAF going to get commerical air service again, if ever?

2. When is B6 going to start JFK-IND (and I am convinced it is only a matter of time)?


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

LAF = Never so close to IND or MDW http://www.lafayettelimo.com

User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Hmm, a few things I will throw out there.

First of all, what's the deal with Airtran and IND? It sounded like it was going to be a focus city for them. FL even signed Peyton Manning as a spokesperson and inked an endorsement deal with the Colts. Now, they've caped out at 16 flights. At one time I applied for a recruiting position with Airtran that was to be based in IND, making me think there were plans to up operations there. Are they waiting for the new terminal? Did something else grab their attention? What's the deal?

On that note, when is BWI-IND going to start? Good way to connect your focus cities.

As far as G4, yeah, I think EVV fits its business pattern. Would the MD's have to have weight restrictions to do LAS-EVV?
I have to admit, for selfish reasons, I would love it if they had PIE-EVV. But I would only use it once a year, and only if it worked out to be a lot cheaper then RSW-EVV or RSW-IND then drive to EVV.

I'm sure I will have more to add later.


User currently offlineJeremy From United States of America, joined May 2001, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Quoting LV (Reply 7):
First of all, what's the deal with Airtran and IND? It sounded like it was going to be a focus city for them. FL even signed Peyton Manning as a spokesperson and inked an endorsement deal with the Colts. Now, they've caped out at 16 flights. At one time I applied for a recruiting position with Airtran that was to be based in IND, making me think there were plans to up operations there. Are they waiting for the new terminal? Did something else grab their attention? What's the deal?

They cannot keep employees. You cannot add flights if you don't have the people to work them.



You are now free to be sexually harassed and then terminated for filing a complaint--Southwest Airlines to me.
User currently offlineAmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3426 times:

If I remember, ATA Connection (flew by "Chicago Express") was doing very well with flights to/from MDW. Do you think ATA would re-start ATA Connection to provide feeder for Southwest and ATA in MDW (and perhaps, feeder for Southwest in IND)???

What happened to Chicago Express certification? I recalled they were sold at auction but heard nothing after that.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3412 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Thread starter):
or will it be a common-use system

It will not be a common use system. This information comes directly from those in charge. There will likely be some common use gates but there will be normal gate leases just like almost all U.S. airports.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 3396 times:

Quoting Jeremy (Reply 8):
They cannot keep employees. You cannot add flights if you don't have the people to work them.

Let me guess, someone else is paying a buck more an hour so people get their foot in the door at FL then go to someone else.
It's a shame that's happening, but you get what you pay for. Everyone in Indy I have talked to who have flown FL have good things to say about them. The IND-RSW flights are becoming just about a shuttle for my family.

Quoting FWAERJ (Thread starter):
Avoid the IND hassle... fly FWA!

IND a hassle? I guess you must be talking about the drive. IND is one of the easiest airports to get through. Grant it, the terminal is showing it's age, but that's why they are building a new one.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3723 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 5):
1. When is LAF going to get commerical air service again, if ever?

2. When is B6 going to start JFK-IND (and I am convinced it is only a matter of time)?

1) Don't expect LAF to get scheduled air service ever again. As others have said, despite the presence of big companies like Subaru, Wabash National, and Caterpillar (and Purdue University, of course), it's too close to IND. Plus, due to its proximity to IND, LAF isn't eligible for EAS subsidies.

2) I, too, think it's not a matter of if but when JetBlue starts IND, but at the same time, I wouldn't expect B6 to jump into this super-crowded market quite yet. Fares from NYC to IND are already very reasonable, and the incumbent carriers fly the route often: US Express to LGA 6x daily, NW to LGA 4x daily (3x Airlink CRJ/1x mainline DC-9), DL Connection to JFK 2x daily, and CO 5x daily to EWR (4x Express/1x mainline). Plus the recent PR fallout over the East Coast delays may have given B6 a pre-announcement black eye. Personally, I'd like to see B6 come into FWA with the E190s instead of duking it out with the heavyweights at IND, as we still lack nonstop service to the NYC area.

Quoting LV (Reply 11):
IND a hassle? I guess you must be talking about the drive. IND is one of the easiest airports to get through. Grant it, the terminal is showing it's age, but that's why they are building a new one.

Of course the drive is a hassle. But there's also the fact that a lot of people in my area who fly out of IND for cheap fares have to stay overnight near the airport in order to actually catch that $69 departure to MCO that departs at 7 in the morning. Plus there's the issues of parking and the last 5 miles of I-69 which can get so packed and dizzying at times. Granted, IND is one of the easier major airports to get around and through... but you can't change the drive in any way, shape, or form.



I don't work for FWA, their tenants, or their ad agency. But I still love FWA.
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9304 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 12):
but you can't change the drive in any way, shape, or form

the drive is straight down i-65 and is easy. you can make it from Tippecanoe Mall to downtown Indianapolis in about 40 minutes, if that.

i often make it in 30 or less than.

driving down i-65 is often times easier than trying to through downtown Lafayette/West Lafayette.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3723 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):
the drive is straight down i-65 and is easy. you can make it from Tippecanoe Mall to downtown Indianapolis in about 40 minutes, if that.

i often make it in 30 or less than.

driving down i-65 is often times easier than trying to through downtown Lafayette/West Lafayette.

I wasn't referring to the drive between LAF and IND... I was referring to the much more tedious drive between FWA and IND.



I don't work for FWA, their tenants, or their ad agency. But I still love FWA.
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

It probably takes as long to get from I-69 and 96th (I think thats the name) street to IND as it does from Ft. Wayne to I-69 and 96th street. Traffic on the northeast side sucks.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Just because I feel like stirring the pot, is there any way the State of Indiana will get an positive ROI on GYY?  stirthepot 

User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39716 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

I just want to see better things happen for GYY.
It's been there so long and still isn't a major player and it should be.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3214 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 4):
The proposed intrastate flights went by the wayside after ATA decided to shut down their ATA Connection division.

Actually, these routes were mentioned on NPR either yesterday or Friday. Looks like they're trying to get US to start them now.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):
i often make it in 30 or less than.

How friggin fast do you drive!? I drive from near McCutcheon HS to I-69&116th and back every day, and go as fast as traffic allows, up to about 85mph, and takes me a good 75min each way.

Quoting AmtrakGuy (Reply 9):
What happened to Chicago Express certification?

Just before or after Okun renegged on his bid, the certificate expired.

I could see B6 coming to IND in 6-18 months. Not sure what I think about B6 and/or FL coming to FWA. I see FWA as being pretty similar to PIA, in terms of city size, proximity to other large and small markets, etc. And PIA does seem (IIRC) to have more service than FWA...so it would make sense for FWA to get more service I suppose.


User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1626 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3206 times:

As a Hoosier (now transplanted to London, UK), this is a very interesting thread to me!

My hometown airport is FWA. Every time I fly (especially my FWA-London, UK flights several times a year for school), I use my hometown airport; it's so convenient and I even get great fares from there. Plus it's full of memories for me.

I have been wondering...What is the "ultimate" future for FWA (airport-wise and air traffic-wise)?

Will FWA always be a largely regional airport (with one or two LCCs like Allegiant around)? I can remember the days long ago (in my ancient youth) when FWA was served by DL, UA, AA, NW, and Piedmont mainline (727s, 737s, MDs, etc) when it was paradoxically a smaller airport.

Will it grow any bigger in the foreseeable future? I have seen its 20-year master plan (back in 2003), with grandiose plans for a new midfield terminal between the existing runway 5-23 and a new parallel 5-23. But I am well aware of how grand master plans for airports can be! (Never mind that their terminal was rebuilt and enlarged in 1996, with 4 jetways that are underutilised).

Now that FWA has Allegiant, will it attract any other LCCs in the future? Or will FWA sort of stagnate in its present state?

By the way, how large will the city of Fort Wayne, IN, eventually get?

Speculate away--it ought to be an interesting discussion!

SmithAir747



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User currently offlineBwohlgemuth From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

I live in Huntington (HHG) and I am going to predict the demise of FWA. If AirTran came to town, that's the end of Delta and I know we don't want to lose a flight to two hubs.

FWA is dying. Its "committment" to industry has essentially doomed it. It has tried to foster some industries outside of of light manufacturing, but those committments just suck royally.

I hope Allegiant survives and will plan on using it on its limited routes, but I am pessimistic.


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