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JetBLue New Route CLT-BOS Starts May 1st  
User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

Not a surprise here but jetBlue will be starting 1X Daily CLT-BOS E190 service on May 1, 2007. This will bring the grand total of jetBlue flights at Charlotte up to 5X Daily. I can't find an announcement of this service yet, but it is in their reservation system.

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23029 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

No shock at all. In fact, I'm surprised it took them this long. Still, I wouldn't look for it to change the sometimes exorbitant fares charged by US on the route. It's simply not enough capacity. OH to BOS at some point wouldn't shock me either.


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User currently offlineADiZzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

I intierview with them yesterday.....and the interviewer said we were all in for a few suprises.....and something to do with canada! she claims that 18 cities will be annouced this year.....1 less than last year!

She also spoke of how they are really planning to build the boston operation....she said that JFK will still grow....but they are planning on making Boston a new focus of thiers and with in a few years BOS should have the same flights as JFK!


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

uh 1 daily to a business market like BOS???

I would think they need to fly at least 3 or 4 daily to compete with the 8 daily US flts


User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 3):
uh 1 daily to a business market like BOS???

I would think they need to fly at least 3 or 4 daily to compete with the 8 daily US flts

I agree and maybe that is in the cards for a later expansion. However they could take the non-stop one way and then connect in JFK on the way back for same day service.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 2):
I intierview with them yesterday.....and the interviewer said we were all in for a few suprises.....and something to do with canada! she claims that 18 cities will be annouced this year.....1 less than last year!

She also spoke of how they are really planning to build the boston operation....she said that JFK will still grow....but they are planning on making Boston a new focus of thiers and with in a few years BOS should have the same flights as JFK!

Wow...Immediately, Boston-Toronto comes to mind. Can the terminal that jetBlue is in now at Logan handle a ramp-up like this?

Chris in NH


User currently offlineB6sFinest From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Who did you interview with a CLT? Do you remember her name?

User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4264 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Quoting B6sFinest (Reply 6):
Who did you interview with a CLT? Do you remember her name?

Is that a play on words?

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):
Wow...Immediately, Boston-Toronto comes to mind. Can the terminal that jetBlue is in now at Logan handle a ramp-up like this?

Chris in NH

Yes - I flew JFK-BOS last year and there were several gates (unoccupied at the time). So I'd say that they can handle quite a few more flights from BOS, although obviously they don't have as many gates as at JFK.

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 2):
intierview with them yesterday.....and the interviewer said we were all in for a few suprises.....and something to do with canada! she claims that 18 cities will be annouced this year.....1 less than last year!

I find that hard to believe, especially considering there was a reduction in the number of deliveries for 2007, if I recall. Canada? Maybe Vancouver or Calgary with redeyes, but other than that I doubt it.

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 2):
She also spoke of how they are really planning to build the boston operation....she said that JFK will still grow....but they are planning on making Boston a new focus of thiers and with in a few years BOS should have the same flights as JFK!

Not unless they find away to acquire about 10 more gates, in my opinion. Their BOS operation is sizeable and has some room to grow, but not that much. It will not match the flights from JFK (unless B6 shrinks at JFK)...



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User currently offlineBAGoldEx From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Here is a Boston Globe article regarding announcement of both Charlotte and Bermuda from Boston.


http://www.boston.com/business/globe...etblue_will_add_hub_to_nc_flights/


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

1 RT isnt serious especially with the poor CLT-BOS timing:

Youd need 3 if not 5 EMB190s on this route to compete


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):
Wow...Immediately, Boston-Toronto comes to mind. Can the terminal that jetBlue is in now at Logan handle a ramp-up like this?

LCCs dont have a very good record on transborder markets, US LCCs are even worse than Canadian because the US-Canada market is something like 60% POS Canada and people generally fly their national carreirs. I think transborder taxes are so high it makes the LCC advantages much smaller versus legacies.

If B6 or FL begin flying to Canada, it is a sure sign they have too many planes.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4264 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 9):
1 RT isnt serious especially with the poor CLT-BOS timing:

Youd need 3 if not 5 EMB190s on this route to compete

Agreed. It sounds like token service, but I guess it is better than nothing. Hopefully they will grow this market out, but I have hoped for the same thing from CLT-BOS too.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 9):
1 RT isnt serious especially with the poor CLT-BOS timing:

Youd need 3 if not 5 EMB190s on this route to compete

Why would they be trying to compete? I think the service is offered for anyone who wants to get to BOS and for connections outside of BOS.. I don't think it is a pure O&D route alone..



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User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 2):
I intierview with them yesterday.....and the interviewer said we were all in for a few suprises.....and something to do with canada! she claims that 18 cities will be annouced this year.....1 less than last year!

She also spoke of how they are really planning to build the boston operation....she said that JFK will still grow....but they are planning on making Boston a new focus of thiers and with in a few years BOS should have the same flights as JFK!

Congrats on the interveiw and I hope it went well. Did you happen to interview in BOS? I know we had some sort of open house in BOS yesterday. Anyway I think the interviewer was mistaken or mis worded. We aren't opening up 18 new cities, maye 18 new routes, but not 18 cities. We really really over expanded last year and it hurt us big time. I think the company said something like 10-12 new cities. SFO, ACK, SDQ.

We've known about the BOS expansion for some time now. We will continue to grow the crew base and grow the daily departures. CO and YX will soon be giving up their gates in our wing of the C Terminal and that will give us the entire terminal, except for the Cape Air gate. We have plenty of expansion room in BOS so continue to look for new service to existing cities. As the company stated we will mainly be connecting the dots this year.



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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

Quoting WMUPilot (Reply 13):
CO and YX will soon be giving up their gates in our wing of the C Terminal and that will give us the entire terminal, except for the Cape Air gate

How many gates total will we have?


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

The problems of last month notwithstanding, I like jetBlue a lot. I'm not a frequent flier, and when I do it's usually via MHT. But I had $400+ in jetBlue credits thanks to personal travel I cancelled with them. I used half of it on a BOS-RDU-BOS trip last month and will use the other half this month on a BOS-MCO-BOS, both business related. So that gets me my money back.

I think the strategy to connect dots while the legacy carriers are still hybernating is a good one. Those fossils have to come to grips with new planes, never mind new routes. Now's the time to pounce, when they can only put up a token fight.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

I believe we will have a total of 11 gates in BOS once we get all of the gates.


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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6766 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Quoting WMUPilot (Reply 16):
I believe we will have a total of 11 gates in BOS once we get all of the gates.

There are 11 gates in that wing of Terminal C. It might be possible to tighten up the spacing of the gates on the hammerhead to squeeze in one or two more; Delta was able to operate 757's and 767's out of most of those gates (and handle AF/SR 330's/340's as well) There isn't really room to add gates on the main pier. The main issues would be the gate lounges and the bottleneck of the security checkpoint with a larger operation. I'd guess a theoretical maximum of around 120 daily departures in the future, assuming the market could support that. There also might be some issues with crowded alleyways for several of the gates.

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 2):
She also spoke of how they are really planning to build the boston operation....she said that JFK will still grow....but they are planning on making Boston a new focus of thiers and with in a few years BOS should have the same flights as JFK!

I just don't see that happening, given that they only have access to 11 gates. I can see that maxing out around 100-120 daily departures; currently they're operating around 60. The only way to grow any more would be to trade terminals with an airline with more gates -- but I don't see AA, DL, or US doing that. The BOS market couldn't really support a JFK-sized jetBlue operation in any event.

Quoting WMUPilot (Reply 13):
CO and YX will soon be giving up their gates in our wing of the C Terminal and that will give us the entire terminal, except for the Cape Air gate.

Unfortunately for B6, those are probably the worst two gates in the wing from a passenger comfort perspective. I'm still wondering where CO and YX are going to go, since three gates are not enough for CO's operation.

Quoting Cltguy (Thread starter):
This will bring the grand total of jetBlue flights at Charlotte up to 5X Daily.

Actually six since another JFK round-trip is being added.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 10):
I think transborder taxes are so high it makes the LCC advantages much smaller versus legacies.

Agreed. Even a cheap fare to Canada looks expensive with $50-100 of extra taxes piled on.


User currently offlineRyeFly From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

The one flight instead of 3 or 5 could be a result of lack of available gates and times in CLT. Jet Blue uses the D terminal which means they have to share with charter flights and US Airways international flights for available gate since they are city owned. US Airways only has two gates in terminal D on a long term lease.

User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

Not surprising, yet also good to see. They'll be adding:

MCO-PSE
MCO-IAD
BOS-CLT
BOS-BDA
JFK-SDQ

The only one of those that shocks me is JFK-SDQ. I thought the A320s had major baggage issues on this route?


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

I thought Boston - Bermuda was morphing into Boston - Charlotte, rather than having both routes.

User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

I think the BOS-CLT flight is mostly for the leisure traveler; the timing isn't great for the business traveler. BOS-BDA should do really well as JFK-BDA did exceptionally well over the summer.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

BOS-BDA will do well no doubt and so will routes like MCO-IAD and MCO-PSE, keep the MCO expansion going, JFK-SDQ, glad their back on that, but I wonder if their will be a cap on the flight to fit all that baggage, which supposedly is why they left SDQ, and also agree that BOS-CLT is probably aimed at leisure travelers because of the times, but maybe some business travelers will take it, but primarily it will be leisure it looks like. On the PR title though, they call it Bankers Run so it seems like they want to catch some business flyers, but I think if the flight goes well they can upgrade it and add an earlier flight, a mid afternoon flight and then like 1 or 2 later flights in the evening and night time. That way they can catch more business travelers, as long as gate space is not a problem, which it seems to be.

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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6766 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 20):
I thought Boston - Bermuda was morphing into Boston - Charlotte

I think BOS-SJU is actually the flight which is being dropped.


User currently offlineB6sFinest From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Yes keep the expansion coming here in MCO...Just no more SJU, BQN, or PSE flights. Lets try somewhere in the lower 48.... Those people have never heard of UPS or Fed EX. They think we are U-Hual...

25 Cubsrule : 1 daily will compete fine for the fare-conscious passenger. Whether yields will be good enough is anyone's guess. They could run 20 daily flights out
26 Icebird757 : Yeah I find that hard to believe because Neeleman said that we are cutting expansion this year and only suppose to open 7 cities. I am betting on 10-
27 Ejmmsu : This is great news. I'll wave at the B6 gate to thank them for my new lower fare as I taxi by on my CLT-DTW-BOS bound NW A319.
28 JetBluefan1 : ...connecting flights are only favorable for aviation enthusiasts... JetBluefan1
29 Ejmmsu : Or people who are skyteam elite.
30 Ejmmsu : I will ad that this flight will most likely be filled with either leasure travelers, or any B6 loyalists that B6 has in BOS. I just don't see many CLT
31 Post contains links CasInterest : CLT get one to Boston, and according to the N&O RDU gets yet another flight. B6 is adding a 5th daily to JFK from RDU starting May 1. RDU is having a
32 ADiZzy : I think that DELTA should give up a portion of its new shinny terminal in Boston and let JETBLUE move it. B6 deserves to be in the btter terminal sinc
33 B6sFinest : Hey Adizzy... How did your interview go???
34 ADiZzy : I dont think it went well. They interviewed 10 people total.....in small groups of three....and out of 10 people 9 people where currently working or h
35 ADiZzy : BTW Thank you for asking! I forgot to mention that above!
36 Cltguy : CLT will be getting an additional flight to JFK as well. So RDU and CLT starting May 1 will have identical jetBlue service with 5x JFK and 1x BOS.
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