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US Applying For PHL-China Route  
User currently offlineHangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7435 times:

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In what would be the region's first direct air service to Asia, US Airways plans to announce today that it will seek federal approval to start flying next year nonstop between Philadelphia International Airport and China.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/16806017.htm

Discuss.

Also,

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US Airways would need to acquire a new long-range jet to fly between Philadelphia and China because its largest plane, the Airbus A330, does not have the range to go nonstop. Beijing, China's capital, is 6,900 miles by air from Philadelphia.

US seems to be moving toward an all Airbus fleet. Would they go "Four Engines, For Long Haul" with the A345 or might Boeing win out with US acquiring long range 777s? Is there a 767 variant with suitably long legs? That might be better for the kind of volume on a PHL-China route.


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User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5085 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7438 times:

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US Airways would need to acquire a new long-range jet to fly between Philadelphia and China because its largest plane, the Airbus A330, does not have the range to go nonstop. Beijing, China's capital, is 6,900 miles by air from Philadelphia.
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What plane would they be looking for? Guess they need at least 2 of them? The A330-200 can not do it without penalties, so I recon it will be a A340-300 since a -600 will be to much capacity?

Anyone?

KL911



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7441 times:

in my opinion, US has an uphill battle with their bid to China. Acquiring a 4-engined aircraft might be the least of their worries. I do not think they could present a compelling enough bid to justfy another non-stop to China so close to the EWR and IAD gateways. DL's ATL-China, and most certainly AA DFW-China and CO EWR-China applications will be in the mix. We could possibly see some West Coast-China applications as well which, also in my opinon, could be more compelling than another east-of-the-Mississippi gateway.

We could argue the merits of PHL all day - their population, economy etc. But the bottom line is that the Boston-New York-Newark-Philadelphia-Washington-Baltimore urban blob is well served to China by US airlines already. What could a PHL gateway offer that isn't already being offered through Newark and Washington?


User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7442 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
urban blob is well served to China by US airlines already

Well, maybe it just isn't. It's good to see that US is coming out of the mess they were in. All luck to them!



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7426 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 3):
It's good to see that US is coming out of the mess they were in.

I won't disagree with you here. US has come a long way to become who they are today. It's just I think the route award will go to adding a gateway outside of the region. Atlanta, Dallas and the west coast, again only my opinion, have the best chances of securing a new flight to China.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9116 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7383 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
I won't disagree with you here. US has come a long way to become who they are today. It's just I think the route award will go to adding a gateway outside of the region. Atlanta, Dallas and the west coast, again only my opinion, have the best chances of securing a new flight to China.

Good points. US has definitely come a long way, and I applaud Parker for what he has done with an airline that was on the verge of bankruptcy (CH7).

Doesn't DL already have a presence (a small one, but still..) in Asia? I know all of the other legacies do. And PHL is right smack in the middle of the Northeast Corridor, which lies about 3 hours from JFK and EWR and 4 hours or so from IAD driving time. Flying time, it would make for a very short connection.

If Parker really is going to go forward with this, I am sure he'll put some kind of an ace up his sleave to have things go his way. Then again, he tried that with his DL takeover. We all know what happened with that...



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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1424 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7349 times:

Quoting HangarRat (Thread starter):
US seems to be moving toward an all Airbus fleet. Would they go "Four Engines, For Long Haul" with the A345 or might Boeing win out with US acquiring long range 777s? Is there a 767 variant with suitably long legs? That might be better for the kind of volume on a PHL-China route.

IMO, a 767 (even if it could do it) would be a waste. If you're gonna fly a route with that stage length, you need at minimum the pax/cargo capacity of a 777 or a 340.



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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7329 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 6):
IMO, a 767 (even if it could do it) would be a waste. If you're gonna fly a route with that stage length, you need at minimum the pax/cargo capacity of a 777 or a 340

Another thread on US airways B757 with winglets mentions the airline is in talks with Air Canada about aquiring some 2nd hand A340's, so I suppose they feel they can keep things on a common platform if they step up to an A340. (maybe use them on the Athens route as well beofre the A332's arrive)



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User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5085 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7317 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
I do not think they could present a compelling enough bid to justfy another non-stop to China so close to the EWR and IAD gateways.

That's what I was thinking as well. I mean, that would be like having flights to Beijing from Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Brussels. Wouldn't one of the other hubs be better?

Kl911



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User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 875 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7304 times:

I think their odds of winning this route are about 1 in 10 (i expect DL ATL-PVG route to win). They would have been better putting in a bid from CLT (low O-D, but a Southern hub, given that the South has no China nonstops currently), or from LAS (the Chinese are avid gamblers).

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7285 times:

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 9):
They would have been better putting in a bid from CLT (low O-D, but a Southern hub, given that the South has no China nonstops currently), or from LAS (the Chinese are avid gamblers).

Or Phoenix. Seriously, a new gateway in a new part of the country with a growing metropolis. In addition US could connect virtually the entire country (with the exception of the Northwest probably) to China through their network via Phoenix. There is probably not much O&D, but a 330 PHX-PVG could work, in my opinion.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9116 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7262 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 10):
Or Phoenix. Seriously, a new gateway in a new part of the country with a growing metropolis. In addition US could connect virtually the entire country (with the exception of the Northwest probably) to China through their network via Phoenix. There is probably not much O&D, but a 330 PHX-PVG could work, in my opinion.

PHX has been discussed before, but I don't know about a 330 doing it. I know a 30-300 can't do it, and I don't think a 330-200 quite has the legs for it...



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User currently offlineUALMMFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7142 times:

Handicapping anyone's chance at this early stage is really premature, IMHO.

AA, CO, NW and UA have not made any noise on whether they will apply or what routes they will apply. One has to consider whether any new routes or additional services will be annouced by the China's Big-Three airlines between now and the decision date. If we read the most recent DOT decision correctly, capacity, locally generated traffic, and new market are the three critical factors.

What prevent AA's DFW-PEK winning the bid ( in addition to the Pilot issue) is the locally generated China traffic. This can also apply to DL's ATL application. ATL and DFW seem to be in the same boat. If DOT rejects AA, then it would also likely to reject DL's ATL application.

Competition was clearly not on the mind of DOT in this last round

There are several daily flights from China to SFO, LAX and NYC Metro by the Chinese airlines. I doubt DOT will award another frequency to any existing cities with China services.

Rumor has that UA is considering DEN-PVG. It will interesting to see PHL, DEN, ATL and DFW compete against each other!



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User currently offlineUnitedFirst From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7111 times:

Rumor has that UA is considering DEN-PVG. It will interesting to see PHL, DEN, ATL and DFW compete against each other!

If United applies for anything, it would almost certainly be SFO-CAN. However, although CAN would be a first for a non-stop flight from the United States by a US-based carrier, giving it something of an edge, I think United would be smart to sit out the race for Tier 1 city service, seeing how they won the last round and already have 5x daily service to mainland China. It seems as though United wouldn't stand much of a chance – and this is NOT UA bashing...look at my user name!

In my opinion, it would be interesting to see United apply for a Tier 2 city – although the profitability potential could be a bit questionable.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7043 times:

Quoting UnitedFirst (Reply 13):
If United applies for anything, it would almost certainly be SFO-CAN.

I agree. UA has a very well positioned hub in SFO which could easily sustain a non-stop to a secondary city in China. The O&D is there. UA could very well have an untapped market to themselves - for a long time. And they don't even need to apply (unless it's CAN); it's my understanding destinations aside from PVG, PEK and CAN are attainable outside the current US/China application process (or something like that).

DEN-PVG is not a possibility. It's just isn't. No matter how many paper dragons drape in the airport, Chinese restaurants downtown or how often the local station runs "Flower Drum Song." Not when UA has a major hub in SFO which (in addition to NYC) is the key gateway to China. It would be like AA launching STL-GIG instead of MIA-BSB (etc) if additional US-Brazil slots were available.


User currently offlineSFORunner From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7009 times:

Quoting UnitedFirst (Reply 13):
In my opinion, it would be interesting to see United apply for a Tier 2 city – although the profitability potential could be a bit questionable.

1) Seven Frequencies will be allocated for use in 2008 for combination service.

2) Seven Frequencies will be allocated for use in 2008 that can go towards combination or all-cargo service. The destination city in China must be in "China Zone 2".

3) Fifteen Frequencies will be allocated for use in 2008 for all-cargo service

Zone 2: Anhui, Fujian, Guangdong (except Guangzhou), Hebei, Henan, Hubei, Hunan, Jiangsu, Jiangxi, Shandong, Shanxi, Tianjin, and Zhejiang


User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6984 times:

Anyone think that since US supported UA recent bid for IAD China service that UA will now support US' bid for PHL service? I scratch your back you scratch my back.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6958 times:

Quoting Cltguy (Reply 16):
Anyone think that since US supported UA recent bid for IAD China service that UA will now support US' bid for PHL service? I scratch your back you scratch my back.

Not at all. UA will definitely pursue any opportunity they can to expand their Chinese operation. It was nice of US to support UA's application this time, but next time, especially since US applies for their own authority, I doubt UA will do anything to support it. Especially with PHL-China - if US were to secure this route, it could potentially dilute yield on UA's IAD-PEK. Instead of scratching their back, they'd be reaching for a knife.

Ah, the politics of the airline business.  Wink


User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6934 times:

Great.

Now your bags can get lost on the way to China, too.  Smile


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6904 times:

Quoting UA2162 (Reply 18):
Now your bags can get lost on the way to China, too.

OK, that's funny!  laughing  Or the bags tagged to PVD and CVG will end up in PVG...


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8626 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6868 times:

I think US will win. It would be the first time in 16yrs since they served asia. I think they will get 2 A340's reguardless if they win the service. They need a/c bad and the 340/330 is perfect combo.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6842 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 7):
Another thread on US airways B757 with winglets mentions the airline is in talks with Air Canada about aquiring some 2nd hand A340's,

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AC is rumored to be offering two A345's for lease or sale to US. The range of the 345 would be a bit of overkill for either PHL-PEK or PHL-PVG (about 6200 and 6500nm respectively), however the plane has a pretty sick MTOW, so they'd be able to pack it full of cargo as well. IMO, the 343 would be the best option for US on this route: contrary to popular belief these days, the 343 is actually a very efficient aircraft on these type of long hauls.

The A332 does not quite have the legs for a PHL-China nonstop. PHL-PEK would be possible, but the payload restrictions would make it difficult to fill the high-yielding cargo belly of the aircraft. If US wants to do this route now, before the A350 comes online, then the A340 is their only real option. 777 deliveries are backlogged, and introducing an entirely new type for one route does not make much sense (as much as I'd love to see the 777 in US colors). Correct me if I'm wrong, but finding a second hand A343 would be a lot easier than finding a 777.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 8):
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
I do not think they could present a compelling enough bid to justfy another non-stop to China so close to the EWR and IAD gateways.

That's what I was thinking as well. I mean, that would be like having flights to Beijing from Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Brussels. Wouldn't one of the other hubs be better?

In all fairness, New York, Washington and Philly are all very large cities, each metroplex having 5+ million, so it's not quite the same argument.

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 9):
or from LAS (the Chinese are avid gamblers).

Why would they fly all the way to LAS when they can just go to Macao?

Quoting UALMMFlyer (Reply 12):

Competition was clearly not on the mind of DOT in this last round

No kidding! As much as I think that UA's capital to capital campaign made a lot of sense, awarding yet another slot to the largest incumbent in the market does not make a lot of sense. The route should have gone to CO (or AA had their pilots not shot the proposal).


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6836 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 20):
I think they will get 2 A340's reguardless if they win the service.

For what route? Only 2 in a fleet is terribly inefficeint. I can't think of any current US route that could warrant a 340, except maybe LAX-LAS on a Friday night.  sarcastic 

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 20):
I think US will win.

Maybe if theirs is the only application submitted. But honestly, as far as new airlines to Asia go, AS would have a better shot out of SEA than US does out of PHL. Now that's an application I'd ike to see.


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6812 times:

I doubt they will get it. And if they do, look out for a really bad in flight experience on a 16 hour nonstop.

I think US is getting a little big for its britches. it's still a sub par airline.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

Quoting Cba (Reply 21):
In all fairness, New York, Washington and Philly are all very large cities, each metroplex having 5+ million, so it's not quite the same argument.

You'll get no arguement from me there. They are very big cities, with strong economies indeed. But with only 7 weekly frequencies up for grabs, how will it maximize this highly valued authority and how will it benefit the largest potential group of US-China travelers by awarding a route to another Northeastern gateway? Are the residents of Philadelphia (or the metropolitan area which arguably spills into the New York City-Newark metropolitan area) disadvantaged at all with today's availability of seats and cargo space to China? How will PHL-PEK/PVG boost the market when there is already non-stop availablity via EWR and IAD?

All I am saying if stacked against Atlanta, and possilby Dallas and hopefully Los Angeles, Philadelphia probably doesn't have a shot. Which isn't to say if Open Skies were ever opened between China and the US that PHL-PEK/PVG wouldn't be successful. It's just when there is only 7 frequencies up for grabs, there are other gateways (and regions and economies in the country) more in need of service.


25 VS11 : Why wouldn't US win the route from Philly? If you are claiming that the entire Northeast is well served from New York, then why do we need flights to
26 BigGSFO : I didn't say the entire Northeast is well served from New York. I said that with only 7 frequencies availble for the next application process, it sho
27 ScottB : Well, again, the issue is that the slot allocations to China are extremely restricted, unlike most transatlantic markets. CO could make the exact sam
28 Post contains images Cba : I don't completely disagree with you; if the DOT awards the flight to the Northeast, it will be hard for them to justify granting US the route from P
29 A330323X : Er, there are Tier 2 combination frequencies available *now*. All UA has to do (or NW or AA or CO) is ask for them. No one wants them.
30 ConcordeBoy : Yes; DL serves NRT, TLV, and BOM with its own metal. Actually, 14 potential such frequencies are up for grabs, but only 7 of them are mandated to be
31 VS11 : Sorry, my misunderstanding. I was making a general argument as I was not aware of the limited number of frequencies. I found out from your post that
32 TropicBird : Doug Parker has just gone on record as saying they will use either (2) 777's or (2) 340's on the route and that the aircraft will come from a leasing
33 Vega : You say alot, but have very little other than obvious emotional bias to support your position/s. What is your basis for the above? Do you have a demo
34 ScottB : And that's a bit problematic, too, since it's doubtful that they'd be able to acquire NRT slots on short notice (without extremely high economic cost
35 Cba : Yes, the PRC is ultimately who gives slots to the DOT to assign. What I meant is that the entire bilateral agreement was crap, and that the market sh
36 ConcordeBoy : Again, you're (not surprisingly) missing the forest for the trees... ....there's a (rather justified) reason that the PRC has chosen to artificially l
37 Positiverate : Agreed. But until both sides acquiesce to an open skies policy...it is what it is.
38 Cba : There is a reason, and I understand it, however I disagree with the action because it is a form of protectionism which I am largely against. If there
39 Mah584jr : I'm not so sure that US and UA are as close as you may think, especially now. I think pre-merger US was kind of a younger sibling to UA, but US has d
40 ConcordeBoy : ...and letting foreign carriers run circles around your own relatively fledgling intercontinental operators before they're prepared/equipped to mount
41 PSU.DTW.SCE : While this appears to be a stop gap measure, if this is indeed true, this has caused many issues with other airlines when operating such a small subf
42 Vega : Well I think if US wants to improve their chances they need to invest in Asia period and show it. I would (excluding financial consideration and acti
43 UnitedFirst : I think pre-merger US was kind of a younger sibling to UA, but US has done well as United continues to have struggles(financially). If I were UA, I wo
44 Post contains images Steeler83 : Every man for himself now...
45 Centrair : PHL is a smart move. Glad they are not doing it from CLT, PHX or LAS. Though LAS could be nice for the Chinese, PHL could bring in good O&D and be an
46 WorldTraveler : no, it's not exciting. It's actually rather childish. US expressed no interest in China until DL filed its application for ATLPVG. After losing the DL
47 Cityguy : I think the US bid is a good one as long as they dont mind the CEO being a drunk.
48 DelawareUSA : The 777 would be the more logical a/c for this route, and for US airways at this time. The 777 can reach Asia from all their hubs, can do Europe from
49 KevinSmith : So they made it official eh? There has been talk of it in the forums for months. As for the aircraft its word in the street is that they well buy AC
50 Airbus3801 : I doubt they will get the route from PHL. The Northeast is too crowded and with this highly restrictive route, the DOT isn't going to hand it to the s
51 D L X : The South has practically no Chinese either. Philly does. The Chinese population in the US has critical masses in the northeast and on the west coast
52 Mtsubshe : it would be better for us airways to start a flight to india, than china, because of a lot of indians living in philly, most of the indian population
53 BigGSFO : ...and there is a reason the 4th largest standalone MSA has no services to Asia. No traffic perhaps? US isn't the only airline allowed to fly to PHL.
54 LCFreeman49 : You know, I have non reved in the past on US Airways and in fact there is an attitude there of not being happy. I see it everyday, I fly for a living
55 ANCFlyer : Keep it on target and on topic. The Topic, in case anyone missed it, is US and a PHL-China application. Not Mr. Parker's DUI. Once more, final warning
56 Etops1 : airways will get the 2 A340-500's from aircanada if and only they get approval to fly to pvg. they will not aquire them otherwise. this was an e-mail
57 HPRamper : The pilots can be pissy. Everyone else's attitudes are getting steadily better. In any case, what does being happy have to do with the merger being c
58 Post contains images Vega : Now that's what I call credible "inside" information
59 Pilot21 : US airways have confirmed they are bidding for a PHL-Shanghai route authority to start in 2008. They are discussing acquiring some A340's from AC, but
60 Airbazar : You can't be serious. The West coast (LAX and SFO) is and has always been the US gateway to Asia. The West coast has far more non-stop connections to
61 SparkingWave : Well, then my bet's on DL. I don't think the DOT is going to award a route to an airline that has no significant, consistent transpacific flying expe
62 BigGSFO : Yeah, I am serious. This discussion is about US airline service to China and US' selection of PHL as a gateway. In terms of current non-stop US-China
63 Panamair : No, No, No. The 2008 designation is open to EVERYONE - incumbents as well as new entrants. As usual, everyone will apply - DL, US, UA, CO, NW, AA, HA
64 Post contains links Laxintl : Indeed looks like a pair of A340-500s is an option. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...=conews&tkr=BA:US&sid=ad8jgTkjHPSs March 1 (Bloomberg) -- U
65 Airbazar : But ORD is not East Coast. If you're going to include ORD as an option from the East Coast you must include NRT as an option from the West coast as w
66 Steeler83 : From laxintl's posted article: So we're saying that US may likely go with the -500 series A340, seating over 300 people. Yeah, that would definitely m
67 Cba : Where'd you hear this from? It doesn't really make any sense, as this restricts the slots to only US or DL effectively. If the slots are open to all
68 Post contains links Vega : US looking at additional Asia Routes: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/business/16816332.htm I really don't understand why Parker mentioned Narita -
69 Steeler83 : Great article! You know what, call me crazy, but I am actually getting excited for PHL!
70 UALPHLCS : Gee... How narrowminded. Facts are the Philadelphia area is a huge market. The conviennce of NOT having to connect from IAD or EWR or driving 2 to 4
71 Steeler83 : Same here, and on most days, it is not a 2-4 hour commute to EWR, JFK or IAD or anything of the type. We're talking about I-95. Quite a few times a j
72 Cgnnrw : What about PHL's ability to handle more long haul intercontinental flights? The new Terminal A-West is a huge improvement for int'l travelers but isn'
73 Vega : The Asian flights would leave/arrive at times which are compatible with the European Banks, much like at other airports. China, HKG or SEL flights, f
74 Post contains images Steeler83 : That is rather silly. Isn't that A-east terminal supposed to be for US' international expansion? What the f#$%#%?! To US: "You can have A-East for in
75 Mah584jr : Absolutely true. Have you ever had to drive for a couple hours after flying. It's one of the most exhausting things I ever tried. Also, since US Airw
76 Centrair : After China...NRT is still a prize. (Good O&D) But let's see.... 1) NH will take up a few new slots (new 787 routes which could include PHL) 2) JL wi
77 Vega : Actually I thought ANA was interested in eventually doing Japan-PHL. As I mentioned in earlier posts, I believe US should fly PHL-HKG and/or PHL-ICN
78 Post contains links Centrair : Definately a possiblity. PHL is a Star Alliance member hub and NH has more access to slots. NH could use one of their 787-8s on this route. (listed i
79 Post contains images Steeler83 : Good point I will forever be a PIT-diehard though. I do live in PA, so I have to take pride in Philadelphia. I may be calling that part home at some
80 AADC10 : I suppose could they propose PHL-PHX-PEK or PVG or even PHL-LAX-PEK or PVG as the initial flight which would switch to a non-stop if and when the equi
81 Post contains images UA2162 : How about PHL-KOA-PEK? One can dream...
82 MCOflyer : I think US will fly into some spot of Asia. As for the China run, I think US has a better chance. They dont have expierence meaning that if they fail,
83 Steeler83 : That is very true with Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Both cities are about to see a rather large influence on the local economy from the Chinese (Phil
84 Post contains links AirCanada014 : Here's the link about US wanting to lease or buy AC A340-300s. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...y/?query=Us+Airways+and+Air+Canada US Airways i
85 AirCanada014 : I do hope our fellow Star Alliance partner gets the approval.
86 UALPHLCS : Philadelphia has the second largest China Town on the East Coast. Only NYC is bigger. As I mentioned a large part of the Pharmaceutical industry is l
87 Steeler83 : Wow... and wow... I don't think it's all too far beside the point; it just proves, IMO, how deep exactly O&D is at PHL, particularly how deep PHL-Chi
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