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A319 EWR To Eddl!  
User currently offlineCOA735 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

Just checking EWR traffic. Is this some sort of typo?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH408

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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

No mistake, this is a regular flight.

The flight runs daily between EWR and DUS and return with the A319, it is operated by Privatair for Lufthansa.

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineCOA735 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
The flight runs daily between EWR and DUS and return with the A319, it is operated by Privatair for Lufthansa.

Wow, I didn't know the 319's had range like that.


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Quoting COA735 (Reply 2):
Wow, I didn't know the 319's had range like that.

It is a A319CJ the counterpart of BBJ resp. BBJ2. It has Business Class seating.

Another All Business Class BBJ of said Privat Air plies the route AMS - IAH (should be the longest sector of Privat Air's scheduled ops for LH, LX and KL).
-HT

EDIT: http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=30

[Edited 2007-03-02 18:59:44]


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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

There is also a Privatair 737-700 that comes into EWR.


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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
There is also a Privatair 737-700 that comes into EWR

Like menitioned in reply #3, this is a All Business Class BBJ, not an ordinary B737-700 ...
-HT



Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Quoting COA735 (Reply 2):
Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
The flight runs daily between EWR and DUS and return with the A319, it is operated by Privatair for Lufthansa.

Wow, I didn't know the 319's had range like that.

They have mad range - they do an ER/LR version that I believe the Privatair ones are - I know AF have some as well. They do CDG - Baku and various other former Soviet oil republics and thats a bit of a trek - also long runs down to West Africa as well as I recall. I understand AC used to do YYR - BOG nonstop and thats an absolute mission as well. They serve St John's Newfoundland to LHR with it also.

Not sure what the longest A319 run is. I think there was a thread about it actually.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

Do a search on PrivateAir. There are several threads on this EWR-DUS service with their A319LR on behalf of LH.

Examples:

RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319) (by RJ100 May 30 2006 in Civil Aviation)

RE: Lufthansa A-319 Dusseldorf - Chicago?!? (by Sabena332 Oct 11 2006 in Civil Aviation)?searchid=3036120&s=PrivatAir+DUS-EWR


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Privat Air A319CJ All Business as LH 436 DUS-ORD 4230 mi Duration: 9h45min


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 8):
DUS-ORD 4230 mi Duration: 9h45min

9.45 seems a very long flight time DUS-ORD. I would have thought about 8 hours? :S



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCOA735 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

At first glance, I thought it was a regular 319 and not a juiced up business class version. Thx for the info.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Do a search on PrivateAir. There are several threads on this EWR-DUS service with their A319LR on behalf of LH.

I tried. I guess I didn't try hard enough Big grin


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

Quoting COA735 (Reply 10):
At first glance, I thought it was a regular 319 and not a juiced up business class version. Thx for the info.

DUS-ORD - the highest MTOW rated A319s would miss it only by a couple of hundred miles would be my guess. EZY for example have the lower MTOW ones and they are nowhere near it, but Tunisair (i think) and AF's LR ones probably wouldnt be that far away.

Oh and FYI - Privatair do AMS-IAH with a 737-700 - I know its a BBJ-spec one, but still - Mad range! That has to be 11 hours.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 5):
Like menitioned in reply #3, this is a All Business Class BBJ, not an ordinary B737-700 ...

but a 737-700 nonetheless. Agreed it is an all business class BBJ, though.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineCOA735 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 11):
Oh and FYI - Privatair do AMS-IAH with a 737-700 - I know its a BBJ-spec one, but still - Mad range! That has to be 11 hours.

This kind of gives me a new found respect for the smaller A/C in regards to range.


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2511 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 12):
Quoting HT (Reply 5):Like menitioned in reply #3, this is a All Business Class BBJ, not an ordinary B737-700 ...
but a 737-700 nonetheless. Agreed it is an all business class BBJ, though.

The important factor would be the extra fuel tanks that can be ordered for / installed in both the BBJ/BBJ2 and the A319CJ.
-HT

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 9):
9.45 seems a very long flight time DUS-ORD. I would have thought about 8 hours?

FRA-ORD (on bigger jets with 2 & 4 engines) which is only slightly longer is also listed as 9.20 to 9.40h duration.
Return ORD-DUS is listed as 8.30h



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Privatair also operate an all-business class BBJ (737-700) MUC-EWR for LH, and an all-business class BBJ2 (737-800) ZRH-EWR for LX.

The two longest nonstop scheduled routes on standard 737-700s (not BBJs) are both operated by Copa (CM) from PTY to MVD (2941 naut. miles) and EZE (2879 naut. miles) with flying times of about 7 hrs. southbound and 7.5 hrs northbound. The 3rd longest standard 737 sector may be Air Pacific who use a 737-800 NAN-HNL twice a wsek (2748 naut. miles).

The Privatair BBJ operated for KL AMS-IAH is by far the longest of the scheduled BBJ or equivalent A319CJ sectors at 4356 naut. miles and a westbound time of just over 11 hrs (9.5 hrs eastbound).

Daimler-Chrysler has operated an A319CJ as a corporate shuttle in a 48-seat all-business class configuration for several years. It operates regular service at least once a week beetween their headcquarters (and home of Mercedes-Benz) in Stuttgart and Detroit. They also make it available for charters when not needed for their own use. They also have several smaller business jets.


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More on the Daimler-Chrysler A319CJ:
http://www.dc-aviation.com/content/_engl/airbus_319/airbus_319.shtml

I believe the only standard A319 (i.e. not the CJ model with extra tanks) operating on the Atlantic will be AC's YYT-LHR service starting next month (seasonal service April-September),but that's a much shorter sector at just 2012 naut. miles (5 hrs eastbound and 5:35 westbound). I'm sure it will also be the only narrow-body transatlantic scheduled flight to/from LHR.


User currently offlineGoMEA From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2070 times:

I often fly RUH-CDG (next March 6-10) on AF's A319 ER (82 pax only - they don't call them LR) and it's 7 hours block time! Amazing machine!

This enabled AF to serve previously unprofitable destinations like JED (which used an A332 stopping in CAI with a change of crews).

But the take-off time is looooong... Even with the -115 engine, it struggles to take speed and climb fast. Still I like the coziness of the A319 to A320 or A321.

Excellent service on board even in Y (although sub-standard to a standard long-haul product)



MEA raising the Cedar far up in the sky
User currently offlineCOA735 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Quoting GoMEA (Reply 16):
I often fly RUH-CDG (next March 6-10) on AF's A319 ER (82 pax only - they don't call them LR) and it's 7 hours block time! Amazing machine!

I wonder why other Airbus carriers in Europe don't use their 319, 320, 321's on transatlantic routs. Maybe not a JFK or BOS route, but somewhere smaller that doesnt need a heavy.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Did Privatair ever operate out of FRA? I suppose to had seen these flights to ORD, but I'm not sure.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 18):
Did Privatair ever operate out of FRA? I suppose to had seen these flights to ORD, but I'm not sure.

I'm almost certain the only routes operated for LH by Privatair so far are from DUS and MUC.


User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Do a search on PrivateAir.

It might help if he searches for Privatair


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

Quoting COA735 (Reply 17):
I wonder why other Airbus carriers in Europe don't use their 319, 320, 321's on transatlantic routs. Maybe not a JFK or BOS route, but somewhere smaller that doesnt need a heavy.

Most routes would need fuel stops, increasing the costs and decreasing passenger appeal. So it makes more sense to route the pax via hubs.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

Saw her the other day departing from EWR:

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 683 File size: 373kb



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User currently offlineLeonB1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 20):

It might help if he searches for Privatair

I was going to say that the other day, but was worried ANCFlyer would grill me!  duck 


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