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The 747's Future With UPS  
User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4466 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7215 times:

What does the future hold for the 747 fleet at UPS? With the cancellation of the A380F order, will the 747 "Classics" be held onto longer? I know that the 747-400F was ordered but what is the likelihood of seeing an order for the 747-8F?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31392 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7192 times:
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5X is taking both new-build 744Fs and 744BCF conversions over the next few years, so I imagine the 747-8F has a better then average chance at seeing service in "brown and gold".

User currently offlineWestJetYQQ From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2987 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

A 747-8F would be absolutely Beautiful in UPS colours. I think they will have to hold onto the older 747s a bit longer to make up for the A380s.

It's always good to see Boeing aircraft continuing service!  flamed 

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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7177 times:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...601087&sid=a.iZbMrZYraw&refer=home

UPS, the biggest cargo-plane customer for Airbus rival Boeing Co., may announce an order for 15 Boeing 777s and 15 747- 800s in four to six weeks, said Ned Laird, managing director of Seattle-based consulting firm Air Cargo Management Group.

Does that answer your question?

UPS U.S.A. North America 747-400F GE 16-Aug-2005 8

748F will go nicely with the 744F.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7148 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 3):

This wouldnt surprise me.

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User currently offlineAdipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7114 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 3):
UPS, the biggest cargo-plane customer for Airbus rival Boeing Co., may announce an order for 15 Boeing 777s and 15 747- 800s in four to six weeks, said Ned Laird, managing director of Seattle-based consulting firm Air Cargo Management Group.

That fleet mix will give 5X much more operating flexibility than they could have ever hoped for with the 388F, not to mention also having the heavy lift capability for potential odd-sized and overweight cargo. I know, they are a box hauler, but you never know when you might need a nose door for something big



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31392 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7097 times:
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Quoting Adipasqu (Reply 5):
I know, they are a box hauler, but you never know when you might need a nose door for something big.

Actually, 5X does have a heavy cargo division so your comments that the 747F and 777F give them more flexability and the ability to lift heavy and odd-sized cargo are spot on.  Smile


User currently offlineAdipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7051 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Actually, 5X does have a heavy cargo division so your comments that the 747F and 777F give them more flexability and the ability to lift heavy and odd-sized cargo are spot on. Smile

I thought so. We had some heavy and odd-sized equipment shipped to Japan and it ended up on a converted 5X 741, which surprised me that they could even take it!



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

The 748F is getting hotter as the summer gets closer... 5X is going to need make a decisions soon to keep with other cargo carries... ie: FX, 5Y, & CV!


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User currently offlineCHIFLYGUY From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

Boeing had projected a pretty slow build rate on the 748's. With demand so hot and the A380F cancelled for now, are they looking at ramping up the production rate?

User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6892 times:

Quoting CHIFLYGUY (Reply 9):
Boeing had projected a pretty slow build rate on the 748's. With demand so hot and the A380F cancelled for now, are they looking at ramping up the production rate?

I'm sure Boeing will adjust production as necessary, but I don't expect them to go over board. They did that once in the past and it cost them large. You'll probably see marginal increases happen over time. If demand for the product holds then maybe a few more increases, but nothing major.



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2466 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 3):
UPS, the biggest cargo-plane customer for Airbus rival Boeing Co., may announce an order for 15 Boeing 777s and 15 747- 800s in four to six weeks

This raise an eyebrow for me as I wonder if FedEx will now consider the 748F to keep up with UPS?  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6845 times:

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 11):
This raise an eyebrow for me as I wonder if FedEx will now consider the 748F to keep up with UPS?

Fedex doesn't need to 'keep up' with UPS. Fedex just needs to get their packages where they need to go. This isn't about who has the bigger... ermmm... fleet... that sort of thinking created the whole 380 mess in the first place.



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2466 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 12):
Fedex just needs to get their packages where they need to go.

As does UPS.

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 12):
Fedex doesn't need to 'keep up' with UPS.

Nor do they want to "catch up" to UPS.

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 12):
This isn't about who has the bigger... ermmm... fleet.

 checkmark  It's about flexibility and capacity.

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 12):
that sort of thinking created the whole 380 mess in the first place.

From what I hear, engineering had more to do with that issue......



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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6779 times:

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 13):
From what I hear, engineering had more to do with that issue......

The 380 programme (especially the F component) was less an engineering debacle and more of management/political/ego driven castastrophe.



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6726 times:

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 11):
This raise an eyebrow for me as I wonder if FedEx will now consider the 748F to keep up with UPS?

Or just opt. for their (15) 777F options!  Wink



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7359 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6676 times:
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Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 13):
Nor do they want to "catch up" to UPS.

Don't know where your getting your information from, but FX has dominated 5X for years now in the air war. While 5X moves more packages by ground, we kill them in the air and continue to take more market share from them every quarter.

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 11):
FedEx will now consider the 748F

Wouldn't you like to know.  Wink


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6645 times:

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 13):
Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 12):
that sort of thinking created the whole 380 mess in the first place.

From what I hear, engineering had more to do with that issue......

I'm sure many at Airbus must be regretting their decision to try and show the world that they do indeed have a bigger.....  duck 


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4466 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6368 times:

What is the likelihood that FEDEX will now opt for the 747-8F? I know that they ordered 777s, but with the A380F being cancelled they can no longer consider it an option.

It would be nice to see the 747 "Classics" operate a little bit longer.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31392 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6280 times:
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Quoting CX747 (Reply 18):
What is the likelihood that FEDEX will now opt for the 747-8F?

Never say never...


User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6169 times:

Quoting CX747 (Reply 18):
with the A380F being cancelled they can no longer consider it an option.

Nobody has said that the A380F program was cancelled. There is a big difference between the pause button and the stop button. And yes, the pause may last a decade, but that still makes it a pause.


User currently offlineSparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 674 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6016 times:

The A380F must have been a competent plane to begin with, or 5X and FX wouldn't have ordered them in the first place. I'm sure they listened to and considered all the marketing pitches by both the Boeing and Airbus camps, and then made a decision based on their needs.

If Airbus could have stuck to its schedule, then none of the cargo customers would have changed their orders. The 747-8F wasn't that good of a plane to sway 5X and FX away from the A380 on its own merit. These carriers have still not ordered the 747-8F as a replacement, so the likelihood of it being a "default" airplane for these carriers to choose over the A380 seems unlikely.

OTOH, 5X ordered a shizzle-load of 767s, and I didn't see that coming!

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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5969 times:

With the A380F delayed, Im sure they 5X is talking to Boeing about 777F and 748F. I think the classics will stay until 5X can get a good replacement for them. When does the first 744 come online? Is this a new built or seocnd hand model?

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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5473 times:

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 21):
The A380F must have been a competent plane to begin with, or 5X and FX wouldn't have ordered them in the first place. I'm sure they listened to and considered all the marketing pitches by both the Boeing and Airbus camps, and then made a decision based on their needs.

The thing is, when the A380F deals were signed, two freight monsters from Boeing did not exist: 777F and 747-8F.



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 22):
With the A380F delayed, Im sure they 5X is talking to Boeing about 777F and 748F. I think the classics will stay until 5X can get a good replacement for them. When does the first 744 come online?

This summer, June?

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Is this a new built or seocnd hand model?

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25 KC135TopBoom : Or a very slick marketing campaign. I don't think that is correct. When the A-380-800F was offered, Boeing was not yet offering the B-747-400ERF, B-7
26 Buddys747 : I hope they get the 747-8f. The 747 is still an awesome sight to see in the sky, and hopefully we will see them for years to come.
27 KC135TopBoom : Including the most recent orders for the B-747 from 2006, we can expect to see B-747s flying until about 2035.
28 SDF21 : Do not forget about converted 744F we have already brought 2, it would not surprise me if they order even more.
29 Post contains links Columba : http://english.people.com.cn/200703/04/eng20070304_354158.html
30 UPS Pilot : FX, You might want to revise your statement about "continue to take more market share from them every quarter." Remember we move alot of our air by g
31 CX747 : Interesting to see in the latest article, only the 747-8 was mentioned.
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