Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 22 Posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2144 times:
Saddam Accepts Gift of Boeing 747
By WAIEL FALEH, Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraq has increased its small domestic airline fleet by one more plane, thanks to the gift Thursday of a Boeing 747 from the president of a Persian Gulf regional airline.
Sheik Hamad bin Ali Al Thani of the carrier Air Gulf Falcon presented the white plane with blue stripes in a ceremony at Saddam International Airport.
"The present expresses my solidarity with the Iraqi people and President Saddam Hussein," Sheik Hamad said. "There is no political significance to the gift. ... It only reflects my true love for Iraq and its wise leadership."
President Saddam Hussein said the plane would be used by the state-run Iraqi Airways.
Sheik Hamad, a Qatari who also founded his own country's national carrier Qatar Airways in 1994, formed Air Gulf Falcon in the United Arab Emirates in 1999.
Iraq's fleet of 15 Boeing airliners was flown out to Jordan, Iran and Tunisia to escape bombing during the 1991 Gulf War and it has not been able to retrieve them.
Iraq used old Russian-made military cargo planes when it resumed domestic flights earlier this month.
The resumption of domestic flights followed the arrival in Baghdad of dozens of international flights from non-governmental organizations and foreign countries seeking an end to U.N. sanctions imposed to punish Iraq for invading Kuwait in 1990.
Saddam's Plane (An Ex-Mandarin Airlines jet as well):
VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1926 times:
Maybe within afew years Iraqi can get back a small portion of it's 727-200s and their 747-200s from the countries they stored them in and use it on thier domestic service. Maybe Airbus will give Iraqi a pretty good deal on their aircraft. I predict Iraqi will be able to fly to the countries that don't support the sanctions against the Iraqi people within a few years. But it will be a very very long time before Iraqi makes trips to destinations such as LHR and JFK as they did in the 1980s.
Hmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2095 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1899 times:
"There is no political significance to the gift. ... It only reflects my true love for Iraq and its wise leadership."
Saddam Hussein is the closest thing to the incarnation of evil to curse the earth since Attila the Hun 1,550 years ago. (406 AD to 453 AD.) I would have said since Adolf Hitler, but Hitler didn't rape Iraqi brides.
Hussein is a narcissistic sociopath who has gassed even his own citizens, mostly children and their mothers. And has had hundreds of thousands of civilians murdered in the 20 years of his reign of terror. Not to mention the millions he sent to their deaths during the Iran/Iraq war.
His blood lust is almost as bad as his lust for vainglory.
He has had the inscription, in arabic, "Built in the era of Saddam Hussein" chiseled on just about every public edifice he could find. Not surprisingly the airport is named Saddam International, after himself, of course.
The only reason he has not been overthrown is that he regulary purges his military ranks by executing hundreds of officers at a time to diminish the chances of a successful coup being planned.
Several years ago, two close members of his immediate royal family risked death by fleeing across the Iraqi desert to escape him. Saddam later guaranteed their safety should they return of their own free will. Amazingly, they returned to Iraq. They were summarily tortured and executed.
He and another member of his family routinely have had women taken from the streets of Baghdad for their own sexual pleasures. Afterwards, some of the women commit suicide. After being raped, they are considered untouchable in their society. Especially to their husbands and fiances.
Why is it that evil men get 747s as gifts?
An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
TWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1868 times:
Mark, I entirely agree. Saddam Hussein deserves nothing but hardship and pain. He is indeed, evil, cruel, paraoid, and dangerous. Shame on Sheik Hamad for this gift and shame on all those who lend credibility to his murderous regime.
While, the Arabs are all exercising their "solidarity" against Israel, they have let a disgusting murderous tyrant into their midst. It pains me to read this news.
Boeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 944 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1836 times:
Hmmmm... and TWAneedsNOhelp well said, there is nothing I can add only that I share the same feelings towards this dictator. It should be a sad day for aviation enthusiast, this awesome aircraft in the hands of this miserable regime...sad sad...
Airlinefreak1 From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 260 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1837 times:
i do agree with all of you , i think saddam is worse than hitler , he has harmed millions of people , and destroyed a country , that was once , a rich and peaceful country with a great history .
He has destroyed ALL the historical places and built 20 places instead in the past 10 years,responsible for the death of million kids , destroyed homes , created poverty , rapped thousands of women .
it was him and his son who is used to pick women(19-20 years old) from the streets of baghdad and rape them , and keep them in their palaces for 3 months raping them everyday . this is really sad and disturbing.
The 747SP is a gift , but the aim of this present was to help the iraqi people , and he also wanted to improve relations with iraq for OIL .
i hope iraqi airways comes back agian with new planes (airbuses) with the same routed , including brazil-
rio dejanero , tokyo , africa and russia etc.... although it will Take a LONG time to fly to JFK and LHR .....its sad .
"While, the Arabs are all exercising their "solidarity" against Israel, they have let a disgusting murderous tyrant into their midst"
arabs can NOT foght iraq because they r also considered to be arabs , in other words , they are brothers , so fighting them is wrong .
Shankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1512 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1826 times:
Remember the big green Iraqi jets at LHR in the 70's and 80's and occaisonally the odd Il76 at STN. But Saddam aside, lets hope this is a good start for the Iraqi people. 747SP on internal flights. Certainly beats a 737 for me!
One suspects when Iraq finally re-enters world politics, Airbus will snap up the small order.
TWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1788 times:
::::::::arabs can NOT foght iraq because they r also considered to be arabs , in other words , they are brothers , so fighting them is wrong.:::::::::::
Who read you the party line? APPEASING such a villain as Saddam Hussein (whose deeds thankfully do not go unknown by the world) just because of his ethnicity is WRONG, anyway about it.
Pol Pot was a Cambodian, but when his enemies finnaly surmounted enough strength to rid their country of this Hussein/Hitler type dictator, that he was of the same race as them meant nothing. Don't blind yourself because of ethnicity and race. It is this type of thought that creates conflict.
Also, did Saddam consider Kuwaitis his "Arab brothers" when he ruthlessly invaded their country, denied them their civil rights, attempted to pillaged their wealth, and steal their oil?
Your telling me this type of behaviour is referred to as "Arab Solidarity"?
Brissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1782 times:
I can see this is going to get into a political-based thread, so I will say this:
If the Great Britain and America say they are right in keeping these illegal sanctions against Iraq (because of him killing and maiming thousands of mainly Kurdish Iraqis), then why isn't the same action been taken against Turkey which has a longer and more bloody history of the killing of Kurds. Wouldn't have anything to do with Turkey being in NATO?
I also have to say that it is the western nations, in particular America which have given Saddam the ability which he has had over the last few years, arming him to the teeth in his country's war with Iran; "the less of two evils"?
I am trying to find the site which sets out the UN resolution for sanctions against Iraq, and nowhere in there does it give authority for Great Britain and America to ban civil passenger flights in and out of Iraq. Mark my words, once Aeroflot and Vnukovo Airlines start flying to Baghdad, Iraqi Airways will begin reciprocal flights to Moscow, and I would not be one bit surprised if flights to Paris and Beijing were started in the not too distant future either.
But I feel that Al Thani donating this 74L to Iraqi Airways is a smart business move, because when IA starts flights up again they are going to need aircraft, and they won't have the money to buy any, so ACMI leasing would be the best bet for them; this being Air Gulf Falcon's core business. Unless Iraqi Airways is intent on TriStars in which case Celtic European will be getting a call from them.
Ceilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1770 times:
Unfortunately, Scott, I think that Sheikh Al-Thani's product support from Boeing has just gone out the window - a bit unfortunate really, as he only has Boeings in his fleet!
You're absolutely right about the 'sanctions' - though, it was a unilateral US imposed decision to "help" the Kurds. As the US aircraft tend to zap anything that gets above ground level, it's simply a case of prudence on the Iraqui part not to fly.
Added to that, the Iraqi Airways fleet has been 'commandeered' by the Iranians, who are only prepared to hand them back if the Iraquis pay something like US$1m per year per aircraft in parking fees.
Brissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1765 times:
Actually there is only the one Iraqi Airways aircraft in Tehran. The rest are in Amman and Tozeur (Tunisia). This is according to JP2000/01.
But what does Al Thani need product support for? He has his aircraft registered in Swaziland and Equatorial Guinea. Not exactly the most safety driven countries in the world when it comes to who can register aircraft there
Ambasaid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1749 times:
It's pretty obvious that the sanctions are not working in Iraq, the rich have continued to get richer, the poor just suffer. Saddam uses this suffering to boost his power, pretty much the same as Castro. The US had the power and AFAIK the opportunity to remove Saddam during 1991, why did'nt they?
At this stage there is no justification for continuing the sanctions. Its time to bring them back in to the world community.
Advancedkid From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 762 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1732 times:
This topic has run out of hand and turned
The wisest response I read so far was from
Everyone has been talking about a dictator
and a new Hitler and all that crap...
Sure saddam is a dictator, but which country
in the "middle east" doesn't have one?? Israel
probably...? Oh yes, but they're only good
to you if you are Jewish. We in the west have
supported all of them including Saddam. Why
is Saddam still there? Are we all waiting on him
to commit suicide as Hitler supposedly did?
Lets bring the topic back to where it should
and better think before throwing any meaningless
Kindest regads to ye'all.
TWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1716 times:
Advancedkid, your about as advanced as a kindergartener on coke.
You say the topic has been "run out of hand", (whatever that means), but than continue it by making an uncalled for and unprovoked attack on Israel. Any reason? You finnish your erudite little commentary with "Lets bring the topic back to where it should (be)." Could you be any more vague?
DeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 23 Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1673 times:
Oh God.... who brought up the Vincennes? Talk about pulling frickin' skeletons out of the closet.
Anyway.... it's too bad to see such a nice machine fall into enemy hands. Ceilidh is probably right about Sheik Al-Thani losing his product support from Boeing, which probably means Saddam will have to look pretty hard for spare parts... so it's not all rosy for him.
It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
25 Gyro: Is he going to set it on fire and chant anti-american slangs???
26 Southflite: RE. where they are going to get their spare parts from... The US government does allow Boeing to sell spare parts for civilian airliners to "hostile"
27 Ryanair: I wouldn't have thought a little outfit like Air Gulf Falcon would be dealing with Boeing, probably some dodgy little outfit, selling wrecks parts and
28 Hmmmm...: The issue of Saddam that I brought up at the beginning is outside of any political issue in the world today. My disgust was not political. I don't car
29 Fanofjets: Political views are not at all off topic - the gift of an aircraft was a gesture of homage to "the wise leader" of Iraq. Sheik Hamad is honoring an ev
30 Advancedkid: The Iraqi government has another 747SP in their stable. This original one had been directly purchased from Boeing in 1976 and been used only by Saddam
31 Ronen: sadam has killed more arabs in the 20th century then any other head of state.
32 SE-HJORT: How about the US and other countries? Are they so undoubtedly kind and helping the world? Is there any difference in killing by signing a paper or pul
33 Ed Toner: Today, large numbers of Iraqi civilians are dying every day from shortages of food and medicine. They cannot afford them, because we are blockading th
34 Hmmmm...: Fanofjets, you're right. Comparing Saddam to Hitler is not fair. Hitler was not a rapist. And at least he liked dogs. But Saddam is every inch as evil
35 Ed Toner: I agree with most of what you say about Hussein, but is it fair to punish the Iraqui's to the extent that we have, just because of their leader? On th
36 Sabenapilot: A few days ago I saw on Dubai TV an announcement (in english) that Iraqi Airways is involved in negotiations with Airbus Industries to buy up to 25 A3
37 Advancedkid: Hi there, Thank you to all who provide refreshing info and not just bashing and bashing endlessly. Sabenapilot, you have given us here the most refres
38 Marco: Living in the middle east, I can't agree with you more, everything you said is the TRUTH. My parents lived there and loved the country and the people,
39 Prebennorholm: It seems to me that almost everybody has forgotten why the Gulf War began. It began because Iraq invaded another country. And it ended when they were
40 Hmmmm...: AdvancedKid, if you're going to go with that handle, your post on this issue make you sound more kid than advanced. Read my post again. I blame both b
41 Advancedkid: Hi Hmmmm..., Thanks for responding .... Looks like you didn't like my approach to the topic (from the way you liked to reverse my name to KId...I had
42 Advancedkid: Hi Prebenholm, No, history is not forgotten. It is very true the war started because Saddam invaded the other country. But this is just simply put. Fo
43 COexERJ: Ahh, a discussion on US foreign policy, my favorite subject! (just kidding!) Anyone who has taken a hard, sober look at our foreign and domestic polic
44 Advancedkid: Hi Marco, Thanks for your nice responce and the info regarding the Kurds and the Assyrians... Did you tap on my back or something... . Have you ever b
45 Marco: Hey, In arabic they say "salam aleikum" but in my language it's totally different, my language is ARAMAIC, if you've ever heard of it, it's one of the
46 Ryaneverest: PLEASE!!! WHAT IS THE REGISTRATION OF THIS PLANE!? At least I'd like to know what's its rego when it's Mandarin!! Using big fonts to make this stick o
47 Prebennorholm: Advancedkid wrote: ------------------------------- Hi Prebenholm, No, history is not forgotten. It is very true the war started because Saddam invaded
48 Advancedkid: HI Marco, Thanks for the info you provided. Very interesting. I never knew or thought Iraqi had flights to Tokyo, but if they did, they must have had
49 Airlinefreak1: advanced kid , u r 100% correct , a person should be loyal to his country of origin , eventhough if that person hasnt seen it before . iam originally
50 Advancedkid: Dear Airlinefreak, I thank you for addressing me. I really felt very moved by your response. Needless to say, there aren't too many places in the worl
51 Marco: Yup it certainly was the language of Jesus (thats what makes it special!), and I'm glad that we've kept it alive so far...there are 3,000,000 assyria
52 Advancedkid: Hi Marco, Thanks again for the remarks. I just wished you could tell me something about the Aramaic scrpit. I guess I would have to dig for this info
53 Marco: It would be amazing to see a B777 in the Iraqi Airways color scheme, wow! If you want more information about us assyrians, go to this site Regards