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Largest Airlines In South America?  
User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 900 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5402 times:

What are some of the largest airlines in South America by traffic, departures, etc? I know VG used to be quite large, but with their meltdown, they're a shadow of their former selves. I am pretty unfamiliar with the industry in that region of the world, and just curious as to what other South American carriers may eventually partner up in OneWorld, *Alliance, and SkyTeam. Are the "legacy" carriers of that region going strong? I know LAN is doing fairly well, but isn't specific to one country.

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User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

I guess TAM could be one of the largest ones at the moment. Then also Synergy group, owning for example Avianca, SAM and Ocean Air becomes bigger and bigger.

If we consider Mexico as South America, they do for sure have of the major operators with Aero Mexico and Mexicana.

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User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5388 times:

What about LAN?
Aren't they among the big guys?



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

Largest in order, and ONLY South America:

LAN Airlines (LAN Chile, LAN Peru, LAN Argentina, LAN Ecuador)
TAM (TAM and TAM Mercorsur) <-> GOL Linhas Aereas Inteligentes
Aerolineas Argentinas/Austral
Avianca

Exceptions could be TACA and Copa Airlines - but since Central America is not South, they are not included.

And Mexico is North America  Wink

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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

TAM, LAN, and GOL are probably the three biggest. TAM with ~100 aircraft, not sure how many LAN has, and GOL with 66 and adding B738s every month.

[Edited 2007-03-03 18:05:31]


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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

Why not TACA Peru?
Yes they're part of Grupo TACA but LIM is one of their hubs.

[Edited 2007-03-03 18:06:46]


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User currently offlineAces727 From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 173 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5236 times:

Here is a list of major airlines on South America:

Colombia: Avianca
Ecuador: Lan Ecuador
Peru: Lan Peru
Venezuela: Aeropostal???
Brasil: Tam
Chile: Lan Chile
Argentina: Aerolineas Argentinas
Paraguay: Pluna
Bolivia: Lloyd Aereo Boliviano


User currently offlineRenton_WA From United States of America, joined May 2002, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5225 times:

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 6):
Paraguay: Pluna

Pluna = Uruguay.


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5194 times:

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 6):
Paraguay: Pluna

Pluna is uruguayan. The largest airline in Paraguay is TAM Mercosur (PZ).

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 6):
Ecuador: Lan Ecuador

LAN Ecuador? No way. What about TAME?

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 6):
Peru: Lan Peru

Is LAN Peru larger than TACA Peru?



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User currently offlineBuckieboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5194 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 3):
And Mexico is North America

Economically and politically, Mexico is part of NAFTA. Geographically, it is certainly NOT part of N America!

BB


User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5149 times:

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 6):
Paraguay: Pluna
Bolivia: Lloyd Aereo Boliviano

As corrected already, Pluna = Uruguay

Paraguay, my guess would be PZ which is the Paraguayan registration of JJ (Tam), correct me if I´m mistaken - and second would be Arpa.

Bolivia, for sure with the downfall of LB, 5L is the largest carrier right now.


User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5143 times:

Easiest thing to do is proceed to MIA official web site and check out the S.A airlines that serve the gateway
to Latin America.

For awhile, ACES was doing a bang up business out of MIA into the major Columbia airports. I was surprised they went out of business. They had several gates in the A concourse back in the mid 90s.

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25356 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

Quoting Buckieboy (Reply 9):
Economically and politically, Mexico is part of NAFTA. Geographically, it is certainly NOT part of N America!

Mexico certainly IS part of North America. Where else would a country that shares a border with the USA be? I defy you to find a definition of North America that excludes Mexico. It's never been considered part of Central America.


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4761 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

Quoting Buckieboy (Reply 9):
Economically and politically, Mexico is part of NAFTA. Geographically, it is certainly NOT part of N America!

Here we go again... Geography is taught in a quite different way in different parts of the world. Over here (and I'm almost certain it's the standard across Latin America), the division is as follows:

North America: Canada, the U.S., Mexico
Central America: Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama
South America: all the countries south of the Panama - Colombia border  Silly

Hence Mexico is part of North America...

(Apologies for the thread hijacking, but I wanted to clear things up... If you're willing to discuss it further, it would make for a good non-av topic... Now back to our regularly scheduled programming  Wink )

Quoting AF086 (Reply 8):
Is LAN Peru larger than TACA Peru?

Well, TACA Perú has a decent international network, but LAN has much more domestic flights (in addition to its international network).



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User currently offlineBae146mex From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5064 times:

Quoting Buckieboy (Reply 9):
Economically and politically, Mexico is part of NAFTA. Geographically, it is certainly NOT part of N America!

BB

I think you need to check on your geography. There are only seven continents and North America Continent starts in Panama and finishes in Greenland, South America goes from Colombia to Argentina/Chile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent

Back to the subject, I have been researching Passenger data but haven't been able to find reliable passenger numbers. I believe the largest in order are TAM, GOL, LAN, Aerolineas Argentinas and Avianca.


User currently offlineAces727 From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 173 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4942 times:

Hey guys thanks for your corrections!

User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

Based on fleet number:

- TAM Group: 101 aircrafts
- LAN Group: 84 aircfrafts
- Avianca Group: 67 aircfrafts
- Aerolineas Argentinas / Austral Group: 65 aircfrafts



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 16):
Based on fleet number:

- TAM Group: 101 aircrafts
- LAN Group: 84 aircfrafts
- Avianca Group: 67 aircfrafts
- Aerolineas Argentinas / Austral Group: 65 aircfrafts

-Gol: 66 aircraft



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4812 times:
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1- TAM 99 (some F100 has been returned)
2- LAN (all) 84
3- SYNERGY GROUP 67 (+1 763 next week)
4- GOL 66
5- AEROLINEAS/AUSTRAL 65

* Gol will be ranked 3rd very soon as per their plans to increase the fleet to 101 planes.

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 13):
North America: Canada, the U.S., Mexico
Central America: Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama
South America: all the countries south of the Panama - Colombia border

We learn the same in Brazil !

Felipe



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User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

Quoting Aces727 (Reply 6):
Here is a list of major airlines on South America:

Colombia: Avianca
Ecuador: Lan Ecuador
Peru: Lan Peru
Venezuela: Aeropostal???
Brasil: Tam
Chile: Lan Chile
Argentina: Aerolineas Argentinas
Paraguay: Pluna
Bolivia: Lloyd Aereo Boliviano

before you post you must have an idea of what your're talking about  Wink


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
We learn the same in Brazil!

Same here!! Nice numbers Felipe!! If possible, could you do the break down of SYNERGY GROUP by airline and number of aircraft in fleet???



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User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4783 times:

Quoting PU752 (Reply 19):
We learn the same in Brazil !

Felipe

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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 17):
-Gol: 66 aircraft

Absolutely, I forgot GOL...



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4467 times:

[quote=Bae146mex,reply=14]I think you need to check on your geography. There are only seven continents and North America Continent starts in Panama and finishes in Greenland, South America goes from Colombia to Argentina/Chile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent

In Latin America and I believe some countries in Europe, I believe Spain, Portugal, France and Italy... you learn that North America, Central America and South America as 3 different regions from the sole "American Continent".

We also learn that Australia, Papua New Ginea, New Zeanlad and the smaller pacific Islands form all together Oceania, that is count as an continent.

rgs,

Neo


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3357 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4433 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 8):
Is LAN Peru larger than TACA Peru?

Yes, and they operate a lot more international services (with larger aircraft) than TACA Peru does, too. For instance, there is no TACA Peru flight between LIM and MIA.

Quoting Buckieboy (Reply 9):
Economically and politically, Mexico is part of NAFTA. Geographically, it is certainly NOT part of N America!



Quoting Bae146mex (Reply 14):
I think you need to check on your geography. There are only seven continents and North America Continent starts in Panama and finishes in Greenland, South America goes from Colombia to Argentina/Chile.

It doesn't matter whether or not you use the eight-, seven-, six-, or five-continent model. Mexico will always be in the same continent as the United States and Canada.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 8):
LAN Ecuador? No way. What about TAME?

I would have to say either TAME or Icaro. IMHO, Lan Ecuador is a joke. They don't even have local traffic rights on their GYE-UIO flights, which are the only domestic flights they operate.


25 ForgotMyNick : Won't that make GOL the biggest, fleet-wise? (capacity and # of pax not in the account, of course) Not sure how are the expansion plans for TAM and L
26 RCS763AV : By traffic, no one beats the Brazilians, but after them, AR and AV come to play. They more passengers than the LAN group b/c of their massive domesti
27 Jog : TAM plans to have 109 aircrafts by the end of 2007 and 132 by the end of 2010. They started GIG-CDG-GIG mid January as a daily flight (in addition to
28 LipeGIG : LOS will be the next destination served from Brazil (Ocean Air). Concerning to airlines, some rumors like Virgin from LHR (to GIG) and Qatar Airways
29 LHStarAlliance : In Ecuador it´s Tame , and I presume Icaro is also before Lan . Konstantin
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