Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Flying To Bermuda- Zoom UK Vs. BA  
User currently offlineBDABOY From Bermuda, joined Nov 2004, 110 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Zoom Uk has applied to the Bermuda Airline Transport Licensing Board for permission to start flights to Bermuda this summer, according to the local daily newspaper (The Royal Gazette). The flight would operate twice a week as part of service to and from JFK using a 767-300ER, in two tiered economy classes (premium and regular). It will be interesting to see BA's response should they get permission. BA has held the monopoly on the highly profitable LGW route for many years. Despite their outrageous summer fares, they have many loyal customers here. Would a little competition scare them enough into reducing these prices? Will cheaper fares initiate a growth in traffic? Personally I know many people who won't fly to BDA from the UK in the summer because the fares are so high.

21 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2004 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

I wonder where they expect the people to stay......considering the high occupancy of BDA hotels in summer....

User currently offlineLostturttle From Bermuda, joined Dec 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 1):
I wonder where they expect the people to stay......considering the high occupancy of BDA hotels in summer....

Maybe not this summer but more rooms are on the way, at least three new hotels are planned.


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2004 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 2):

Maybe not this summer but more rooms are on the way, at least three new hotels are planned.

This summer will be the worst: Ariel Sands closed, Wyndham closed...and it will take some time until something new is really there..


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3448 times:

So would this mean Zoom UK would offer LGW-JFK non-stop 4/5 times a week at LGW-BDA-JFK twice a week?

A BDA stop that means Zoom UK dont offer daily non-stop LGW-JFK flights isn't going to help their chance of success in the LON-NYC market though



Visit the Air Humberside Website and Forum
User currently offlineLostturttle From Bermuda, joined Dec 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3299 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):

A BDA stop that means Zoom UK dont offer daily non-stop LGW-JFK flights isn't going to help their chance of success in the LON-NYC market though

I think you are correct, years ago BA flew on to Jamaica (that was popular) then they tried Mexico, Orlando and Baltimore
A few others (Condor) have also tried but these flights do not last long.

Direct just seems the way to go nowdays


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2004 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3291 times:

Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 5):
A few others (Condor) have also tried but these flights do not last long.

The Condor flights were combined with SDQ. And there were two main problems:
- two completely different markets and passenger types (the Bermuda passengers didn't like the cheap SDQ pax)
- the long return leg from BDA as the routing was FRA-BDA-SDQ-FRA

The attempt to fly a MXP-MUC-BDA last summer failed as well.:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions.../?searchid=81796&s=eurofly#ID81796


User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3282 times:

Quoting BDABOY (Thread starter):
Zoom Uk has applied to the Bermuda Airline Transport Licensing Board for permission to start flights to Bermuda



Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 2):
at least three new hotels are planned

Now watch Bermuda turn into an Atlantic Ibiza (Ryanair will be next!!!)... I think Bermuda residents may regret the "old days" of just BA flying there, bringing in selected customers... IF Zoom UK get the license that is...


User currently offlineLostturttle From Bermuda, joined Dec 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 7):

Now watch Bermuda turn into an Atlantic Ibiza (Ryanair will be next!!!)... I think Bermuda residents may regret the "old days" of just BA flying there, bringing in selected customers... IF Zoom UK get the license that is...

Just imagine what would happen if gambling was legalized here! (Crown and Anchor, Bingo and poker does not count!)


User currently offlineLostturttle From Bermuda, joined Dec 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 6):

The attempt to fly a MXP-MUC-BDA last summer failed as well.:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...81796

You were right about the Condor, but I never even knew about the MXP-MUC-BDA, too much Dark n Stomy eats away at the memory me thinks!


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2004 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 9):
Dark n Stomy eats away

Don't remind me - PLEASE !

But do you know that you are sitting on the probably most beautiful part of the world ? It would be a shame if too much new hotels are built and more and more cruise ships spoil the island !


User currently offlineColumbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 2):
Maybe not this summer but more rooms are on the way, at least three new hotels are planned.

Am I not right in saying that the proposed three new hotels are all 5 star establishments?

I am also lead to understand that one might be a 7 star hotel!

If so, I am afraid Ryanair will not be flying to Bermuda for many years to come.

Certainly looking forward to seeing Zoom's 767s at Bermuda's International Airport.



In God we trust
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2004 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Quoting Columbia107 (Reply 11):

I am also lead to understand that one might be a 7 star hotel!

7 ? Which one do you mean ?


User currently offlineLostturttle From Bermuda, joined Dec 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Quoting Columbia107 (Reply 11):
Am I not right in saying that the proposed three new hotels are all 5 star establishments?

I am also lead to understand that one might be a 7 star hotel!

If so, I am afraid Ryanair will not be flying to Bermuda for many years to come.

Certainly looking forward to seeing Zoom's 767s at Bermuda's International Airport.

Think you are right on all the above!

Also I hope this will mean more heavies ( and I mean the type with the big round things on the wings!!!) will visit as spotting in Bermuda is limited to mostly narrowbodies.

I still have a dream of a nice bar at the end of runway 30 next to the beach and fence and road.........oh wait thats been done already (SXM)


User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 10):
It would be a shame if too much new hotels are built and more and more cruise ships spoil the island !

I took a friend of mine out to St. George's a couple of weeks ago, sort of a walkingtour. We walked from Town Square out to Fort Catherine and back and he was stunned to see what was left of the old Holiday Inn. That hotel is in a prime location...golf, beach, shopping and easy access to buses to Hamilton and points west.
He and I fail to understand why the powers-that-be cannot take that hotel and restore it to its former glory, rather than take away even more 'green space' to build more hotels. Much as I'd love to see BA get some competition, we need to improve the product that we already have.



'Somebody tell me why I'm on my own if there's a soulmate for everyone' :Natasha Bedingfield
User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

Zoom seems to have lost the plot.. If you are going to fly this summer you need to be on sale now. They are not even advertising the possibility of " cheap" flights to the USA let alone Bermuda. As has been said where will the customers go to stay and are Zoom customers Bermudas customers? I think not

User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2004 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 14):
eft of the old Holiday Inn.

Is this the former Club Med ?

Quoting Stargoldlhr (Reply 15):
Bermuda is a haven from the Chavs of britain and should be kept that way !

100 % correct. Bermuda should stay as it is, improving hotel and service quality. You can also control the income and occupation of rooms in rising the rates instead of building more and more hotels. I know it is very expensive already - but who cares, we can not destroy all nice places in the world be letting everyone travel there.


User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 2):
Maybe not this summer but more rooms are on the way, at least three new hotels are planned.



Quoting Columbia107 (Reply 11):
I am also lead to understand that one might be a 7 star hotel!

I believe this new hotel is going to be a jumeirah property and I have heard that it will be 7 star.
http://www.jumeirah.com/portfolio/future/?cid=bermuda

Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 9):
too much Dark n Stomy eats away at the memory me thinks!

My worst hangover ever came after a night of Dark n Stormy's  drunk 


Lee



There's flying and then there's flying
User currently offlineLostturttle From Bermuda, joined Dec 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 18):
Quoting Lostturttle (Reply 9):
too much Dark n Stomy eats away at the memory me thinks!

My worst hangover ever came after a night of Dark n Stormy's drunk


Lee

Thats the one!

Quoting Stargoldlhr (Reply 15):
Bermuda is a haven from the Chavs of britain and should be kept that way !

Very correct, but as our prices are very high, you just can not do the "cheap" trip here. (except for canned Dark n Stormy's oh and beer!)

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 16):
Zoom seems to have lost the plot.. If you are going to fly this summer you need to be on sale now. They are not even advertising the possibility of " cheap" flights to the USA let alone Bermuda. As has been said where will the customers go to stay and are Zoom customers Bermudas customers? I think not

Yeah I think you are correct, and also from a staffing point of view, the CSA's are already streached thin. (Jet Blue, USA3000 and a few others in between) Many legacy agents now work two or three jobs at the airport and while having more airlines may give more options. Someone has to work them (And before anyone asks, Bermudians or spouse of Bermudians only need apply!) Sorry I have to clarify......Bermuda immigration rules apply here

[Edited 2007-03-06 11:39:34]

User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 592 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2565 times:

Hi Guys


I start working for Zoom Uk soon, so maybe I can help straighten thing out a bit. Zoom UK is offered as a full-service scheduled airline, lowe fares, thats it. It's NOT charter or LOW COST (sorry to disappoint you!) Naturally at this stage the product would not be 100% comparable to BA, but they are going up for their competition, and I can tell you, that with BA's average July fares of over £780, Zoom will see a few BA pax on our planes!!

Some of the JFK services will be direct, with the less popular departures eg weds/sundays's going via BDA. A link was posted on another forum a few days ago from a Bermudan paper, which shows that the nation are very much behind another carrier flying LGW-BDA to end BA's monopoly - competition is a good thing and all that, blah blah blah.

Personally, I can't wait ot visit BDA, and I'm hopeful the relevant authorities will grant permission.

Cheers!


User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 17):
Is this the former Club Med ?

Yeah, that's the one. It was a Holiday Inn first.

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 20):
Bermudan paper,

Bermudian, not Bermudan. Sorry....pet peeve.  Smile



'Somebody tell me why I'm on my own if there's a soulmate for everyone' :Natasha Bedingfield
User currently offlineBDABOY From Bermuda, joined Nov 2004, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

I really don't think that cheaper fares is going to turn Bermuda into the next budget package destination. Staying here is just too expensive unless you have friends and families. I do think there's a middle ground however. I hear constantly when I'm in the UK- "We could afford to stay there if it wasn't so expensive to get there!" (or vice-versa)

Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Is BA Stopping VS And BMI From Flying To Dubai? posted Tue May 17 2005 12:50:55 by EK156
Who Flys The Most Pax To The UK Exc BA,VS,BD Etc posted Wed Feb 11 2004 08:57:19 by Richcandy
Is BA Flying To KUL? posted Sun Jan 7 2007 14:17:50 by EMAlad
Zoom ''UK'' To Open Crew-base At LGW posted Sun Dec 24 2006 17:29:19 by FCAFLYBOY
Hand Baggage Situation - Flying To The UK posted Thu Aug 24 2006 15:36:02 by AirWales
UK Satellite Viewers: BBC4 NOW - "Flying To Kabul" posted Tue Jun 20 2006 23:06:28 by Kaitak
BA To Start Flying To Amritsar? Yes Says The Airport posted Sat Nov 5 2005 16:50:12 by Concorde001
BA To Increase Its Service To Bermuda In 2006 posted Tue Nov 1 2005 21:29:04 by Columbia107
How Is Qantas Going To Compete HKG-LHR With VS/BA? posted Tue Jun 22 2004 09:59:02 by Qantasclub
When Did Zoom Start Flying To FLL? posted Thu Apr 1 2004 03:52:13 by GARUDAROD