Crownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1863 posts, RR: 5 Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14825 times:
According to Bloomberg worldwide news this morning, their news crawler at the bottome of the TV screen said and I quote "Giant global company Heavylift has placed an order with Boeing for an undisclosed amount of C-17s".... Is this the same Heavylift that I am thinking of based in the U.K.??? If so, than this is an all time first for civil aviation history!! Can anyone verify????
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14715 times:
Good luck to these guys, but it sounds extremely speculative to me.
World Airways had seriously considered buying some C-17s when the Generals at AMC wanted them to do so to keep the line open, and had obviously done market studies to see if the global demand would justify the incredible capital expense of these airplanes as compared to a typical freighter in civilian use. Conclusion...nope. World has an extraordinarily good freight charter sales department, and if they couldn't see how to make the market work -- as a profitable 50+-year-old carrier rather than a bunch of basically-non-airline-folks -- I have some real doubts about whether these Global guys could make it work. Moreover...30 new aircraft???? What???? That's a substantial multiple of the cargo fleets of any of Northwest, Lufthansa, Gemini, World, Atlas, Polar, Evergreen, Kalitta, Southern, etc.
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14673 times:
I have a couple of questions:
1. Who is going to pay for the flight tests that will be required to obtain civilian certification?
2. Where does Heavy Lift plan on getting these used C-17's? The USAF was more and Congress choose not to fund them, so I don't think there will be any C-17's showing up on the used market anytime soon. .
Da man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14527 times:
Quoting 474218 (Reply 7): Where does Heavy Lift plan on getting these used C-17's? The USAF was more and Congress choose not to fund them, so I don't think there will be any C-17's showing up on the used market anytime soon.
IIRC, a previous plan like this used the proceeds from selling the used aircraft to procure the new aircraft.
KSUpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14507 times:
I was thinking about the BC-17X when I first heard about this.
Finally a US Civilian cargo plane that looks like it means business. The Russians have been playing circles around us for years with the Antonovs.
On another note...I'm seeing a possible Y3 design there...base it off of the C-17 and then produce a civilian cargo / passenger version, along with a military cargo version. Picture a larger BC-17X with composites and super-efficient engines. But until then, the BC-17X will do.
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14469 times:
I liked this name better...
I think the idea of this airplane, in limited quantities, could be great for some of the package haulers due to its short field performance. Instead of having to fly into the large international airports, it could go into much smaller reliever fields... with cheaper fees, closer to the population center, etc.
Hawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3188 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14217 times:
I remember a few years ago when McDonnell Douglas (maybe it was Boeing by then, I'm not sure) was offering the MD-17 as a civilian version, and I believe a couple were built to this spec. There wasn't much interest in it, as it seemed that the An-124 was filling the needs of the market that the MD-17 was aimed at. The two MD-17s were converted to C-17 spec and delivered to the US military.
TVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2352 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14218 times:
One of the things that makes the C-17 work so effectively in the Military is that the plane takes off with max weight, but minimum fuel from shorter air fields. Gets airborne and then gets fuel in-air. How would that work with the civilian version?
LimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14154 times:
I'd be surprised if they can gainfully employ even 30 of these things...
Don't freight operators have to keep their machines going pretty much constantly to stay "in the black" cashflow-wise? The niche market that a BC-17X would go into is probably pretty small -- how much diamond mining and oil drilling equipment is airlifted into the middle of nowhere on a daily basis?