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Assembly Of First 787  
User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 871 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 38093 times:

The modular nature and global supply chain of the 787 makes for an exciting chance; one can follow assembly of the first airplane more closely than previous airliners, since completion and shipment of subcomponents will probably be more public. For example, we know that several parts have already been lifted to Charleston.

A few weeks ago, a thread on the 787 included postings about where some of the bits are. With encouragement from that, and after additional internet news research, I've pieced together the following

First 787 assembly

Does anyone have further details?


(P.S. if you know how to insert the graphic directly into the post, that is appreciated. I've tried following the ANet directions, but have not been able to get it to work using the posting site I'm using).

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User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 38024 times:

Go straight to the source: movements of the 747 LCF freighters.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE876
(only one is on US soil at this time... I was told the two others would eventually operate as BOE632 and BOE631)

Until the first 787 comes together, the LCF must make some key flights:
Japan (wings)
Wichita (forward fuselage)
Italy (rear fuselage sections going to Charleston)
Charleston (assembled mid + rear fuselage)

As far as I can tell none of these have happened yet, but they must all be slated for this month.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 35550 times:

Quoting Jet-lagged (Thread starter):
First 787 assembly

That is nice. Could you make the chart into a PDF? The JPG is harder to look at.

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 1):
Until the first 787 comes together, the LCF must make some key flights:
Japan (wings)

It has been rumored that the LCF will be back at NGO for to pick up the wings this month. There has been a rumor that it will be back here in the middle to end of the month. Not much meat to this rumor but it has been mentioned here and there. There were some problems in Japan but were sorted out quickly. (Read that in a Seattle newspaper article online months ago)

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 1):
Italy (rear fuselage sections going to Charleston)

This was an issue. Italy was behind and Boeing sent a "small army" of engineers to fix it. (Read that in the same Seattle newspaper article online months ago)

Charleston has a website dedicated to the construction of the 787.
The South Carolina Site It hasn't been updated since January 5th.



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 35374 times:

Here is just a diagram to show where everything will end up going.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b154/Kaitak744/1168365002B4lNj9.gif
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b154/Kaitak744/1168364989YxkQPb.gif


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 35301 times:
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The main wing-body join is in April and by the end of May Boeing will have three 787s assembled, 2 flying test birds and one for the Iron Maiden.

Regards.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 35199 times:

I think March will be key where all the piece start coming to together and the main final assembly process will take place in April. As FXRamper said they'll have three birds putogether, two test flight articles and the Iron Maiden bird that will tested to destruction. I think afte April you'll find that prouduction should quickly ramp up from there with about dozen or so 787 assembled by the end of the year. By EIS Boeing should have about 30 787s assembled.


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User currently offlineFlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 800 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 35028 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 5):
I think afte April you'll find that prouduction should quickly ramp up

It is my understanding that the 787 will use a true assembly line (like the 737) where the aircraft never stops moving until complete. If my understanding is correct, does anyone know when the assembly line becomes continuous? I would expect that for the first X number of aircraft it will behave more like the traditional fixed position system of the past while they hammer out the process.



...are we there yet?
User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4315 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 35003 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 5):
By EIS Boeing should have about 30 787s assembled.

EIS = Entry into service = Must-have certification. Wasn't Boeing talking about building something on the order of around 90 birds and parking them until certification was completed?



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User currently offlineB777fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 34958 times:

Jet-lagged,

Nice work.

I would really appreciate it if you would post any updates to this document. It is the best description yet of where everything is really at.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 34911 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 5):
By EIS Boeing should have about 30 787s assembled.

Remarkable.

So this means the 747LCFs will be very busy this month.

1) Fly to Italy
2) Fly Italian parts to Charleston
3) Fly to Japan
4) Fly wing to Everett
5) Fly to Spirit
6) Fly forward section to Everett
7) Fly to Charleston
8) Fly Vought/Alenia sections to Everett

I think that covers the LCF movement. Anything missed? It is now March 5th in Japan. 26 days till the end of the month. It took the LCF only 24 hours to arrive at NGO, load sections and depart for the US.
It takes 11 hours to fly from NGO-SEA (winds permitting).
It would takes between 13-14 hours from NGO to Charleston.
?6-8 hours from Charleston to Southern Italy
?5 hours from Charleston to Everett
?4 hours from Wichita to Everett
Add in 24 hours at each non-US location, add 8-10 hours at each US location and double the travel time (RT).

I figure about 5-6 days to get Italy and Japan parts and 3-4 days for US parts with 1 LCF. With two halve those numbers. With three 1/3 of the numbers. Basically if LCFs are moving a part from Italy, from Japan and parts in the US, and if the companies stay on schedule, mind boggled!

Impressive! Most Impressive!

How are the main landing gear being flown from Glouchester to Wichita and Everett. Seems the LCF would be overkill. The chart says "flown" so are they flown by regular oversized cargo?



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User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 34844 times:

Not wanting to hijack your thread but just a related question which is not important enough to create a new thread for.

Are the LCF's exploited by a separate company that has an exclusivity contract with Boeing for the 787 parts, and if so does it also fly "normal" out-sized freight for other customers besides Boeing when they are not needed for 787 transport.

Just wanted to know because I have seen the Beluga's doing some transport (helo's and such) besides the work they usually do for Airbus.
Now I think of it I guess the question also is valid for the Belugas, are they from the Airbus company or also exploited by a third party?



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 34725 times:

Quoting ArniePie (Reply 11):
Are the LCF's exploited by a separate company that has an exclusivity contract with Boeing for the 787 parts, and if so does it also fly "normal" out-sized freight for other customers besides Boeing when they are not needed for 787 transport.

Been asked some times but always good to review. The LCF is being flown with Boeing Numbers but operated by Evergreen which won a contract to fly it. It has one purpose...move 787 parts. As you can see by the charts and my rough numbers, they will be very very busy. But maybe if things slow down or another LCF is put into service (4th one), the LCF could be used for other projects.

The Belugas have been used for humanitary operations and the LCF could certainly hold a lot of things, if it was needed for massive relief ops the LCF could be put into that job. But as for now...787 until it can't fly anymore.



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User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 34596 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):
It has been rumored that the LCF will be back at NGO for to pick up the wings this month. There has been a rumor that it will be back here in the middle to end of the month. Not much meat to this rumor but it has been mentioned here and there.

It's more than a rumor; it's an absolute precondition to the first 787 being assembled on schedule. Before they can join the wing to the fuselage, they have to install quite a few components on the wing, so it will have to arrive in Everett well before the join operation in April.

Exciting times; I can't wait to see it all put together!


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 34510 times:

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 13):
It's more than a rumor; it's an absolute precondition to the first 787 being assembled on schedule. Before they can join the wing to the fuselage, they have to install quite a few components on the wing, so it will have to arrive in Everett well before the join operation in April.

But it has not been set in stone yet. It was originally set to come the first time the first week of January but didn't come for another 10 days due to some kind of shutter or something like that. They have had a slight delay in certification as was reported in the Seattle Newspaper. It was rumored to come in the middle of this month. But it might end up being a little later...closer to the end of April. As long as the first 787 is assembled by the end of April they are still on schedule.

They are supposed to have 3 birds assembled by May means the two LCFs will need to fly to Japan another 5 months in the next 6-8 weeks. Then it will have to go weekly to finish 90 by EIS.

By the way...what airport does the LCF fly into in Italy?

Any Boeing folks know of the next estimated date of the LCF in Japan? (Please be March 23rd)

Hey Jet-lagged your chart rocks, see if you can keep this and the thread one going. Maybe we can have just this thread to track the first 787. Totally exciting! Too bad we don't have any A.netters here in NGO with good enough cameras to get photos uploaded. Parking lot 3 shot is just around 200 meters to the loading area.



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User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 34281 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 5):
By EIS Boeing should have about 30 787s assembled.

I'm wondering how they're going to find enough room on the flight line for 30 787s, and a couple of 744s, 767s and a bunch of 777s  boggled  There were about ~25 741s on the flight line at the same time in early 1970, and the flight line was completely full then.


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 34041 times:
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Quoting ArniePie (Reply 11):
Are the LCF's exploited by a separate company that has an exclusivity contract with Boeing for the 787 parts, and if so does it also fly "normal" out-sized freight for other customers besides Boeing when they are not needed for 787 transport.

Beoing gave a contract to Evergreen International to run the planes for them. don't know if they are allowed to run other operations


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30584 posts, RR: 84
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 33989 times:
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Quoting Centrair (Reply 14):
By the way...what airport does the LCF fly into in Italy?

I imagine Taranto-Grottaglie since it is closest to the Alenia plant.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 33833 times:

Quoting Brendows (Reply 15):
I'm wondering how they're going to find enough room on the flight line for 30 787s, and a couple of 744s, 767s and a bunch of 777s There were about ~25 741s on the flight line at the same time in early 1970, and the flight line was completely full then.

They're going to put them into every parking spot on the Everett ramp is my understanding. I beleive they have about 26 spots. Perhaps the pre-delivery testing for other models (747,777,767) would temporarily move to BFI. We're talking about 8-9 aircraft there.



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User currently offlineSangas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 33431 times:

"Everett gears up for 787 assembly

Quote:
Large parts and major subassemblies for the first Boeing 787 are on track to begin arriving at the airframer's final assembly line at Everett, Washington from mid-March.

The first parts are expected to begin arriving by road and rail, although for the assemblies arriving by air "it will be a bit of a horse race to see what comes in first", says Boeing. "It could be the wingbox from MHI [Mitsubishi Heavy Industries]. We don't have a formal date for when actual final assembly starts, though it is likely to be late March to early April..."

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ett-gears-up-for-787-assembly.html


User currently offlinePygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 966 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 33330 times:

Boeing flight line in Everett was expanded for the 777 in the early nineties.

There were about 30 767's parked in Everett in 1981 before they delivered the first one. I think the 787 will be similar with 30 or so built be time of EIS.

Flight testing is done out of Boeing Field in Seattle so those 7 aircraft will be there not in Everett.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32966 times:

Quoting Sangas (Reply 18):
We don't have a formal date for when actual final assembly starts, though it is likely to be late March to early April..."

There we go. Meaning the LCF should be in Japan sometime later this month.
(Please be the 23rd...please be the 23rd....please be the 23rd).

Quote:
Mid-March is also expected to see the first wingset beginning to move through "pre-integration" before entering final assembly.

That means the LCF has to be here this week or so. Mid-March is next week! Am I right that these are being transported by LCF?

The wingsets are also made from carbon right? Can't wait to see how these thing bend.

Wingbox from MHI is also due as well. Does this mean the LCF will make two trips of will it carry the wingsets and wing box together?



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User currently offlineIAHFLYER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 32777 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 4):
Iron Maiden.

What does this mean?



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 32742 times:

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 21):
What does this mean?

1) Iron Maiden = A classic British Heavy Metal Band formed in the late 1970s and disbanded, came together, disbanded, came together...who knows what they are up to now.
2) Iron Maiden = An iron cabinet built to torture or kill a person by piercing the body with sharp objects (such as knives, spikes, or nails), while the victim is forced to remain standing. The victim bleeds profusely and is weakened slowly, eventually dying because of blood loss, or perhaps asphyxiation.
3) Iron Maiden = Imagery used to describe the machine that tests the frame of a new aircraft. The machine bends and twists the parts till the plane is all but destroyed. It determines the stress levels of an airframe over its life.

So Take the image of definition 2 and apply it to an airplane.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 32730 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 22):



Quoting Centrair (Reply 22):
1) Iron Maiden = A classic British Heavy Metal Band formed in the late 1970s and disbanded, came together, disbanded, came together...who knows what they are up to now.
2) Iron Maiden = An iron cabinet built to torture or kill a person by piercing the body with sharp objects (such as knives, spikes, or nails), while the victim is forced to remain standing. The victim bleeds profusely and is weakened slowly, eventually dying because of blood loss, or perhaps asphyxiation.
3) Iron Maiden = Imagery used to describe the machine that tests the frame of a new aircraft. The machine bends and twists the parts till the plane is all but destroyed. It determines the stress levels of an airframe over its life.

So Take the image of definition 2 and apply it to an airplane

Good to know that, whichever one is chosen, rest in peace.



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User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 32689 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 20):
Am I right that these are being transported by LCF?

Yes!

Quoting Centrair (Reply 20):
Wingbox from MHI is also due as well.

This I didn't quite understand from the article. The first wing box has already been picked up on the first visit to NGO... isn't that what section 11/45 is? Maybe they're talking about the second wing box?


25 XT6Wagon : the picture of the first barrel section being unloaded showed the wingbox with it.
26 Pygmalion : center wing box was already sent to SC, the wings will be arriving soon to Everett.
27 Centrair : So the article had an error. The wingbox was sent in January to SC. Just realized wingboxes are first sent to SC and then to Everett after being conn
28 Post contains images WingedMigrator : Yes, although it will take a bit of a shove to get the LCF tail to latch shut
29 Burnsie28 : Does anyone else find this utterly stupid to have all of it outsourced to outside the US instead of just doing it in the US where it would be faster a
30 Adh214 : No, I don't find it stupid. I suspect Boeing did a great deal of analysis to determine the best supplier for each part worldwide and then balanced th
31 NYC777 : Ok just to clarify. The Center wing box is hte section 11/45. That'll be joined to sections 43, 44, 46 to make up the central fuselage and then be tra
32 NYC777 : Actually I understand that Boeing found that it is more expensive to outsource the work but did it because those firms have expertise in those areas.
33 NYC777 : FYI, The 787 line is not a moving line (more like a moving factroy with all the jigs, etc. moving around.
34 Prebennorholm : That story cannot be told until the the 787 program has ended, who knows when? 2030, 2040, 2050? There are so many outsourcing contracts these days w
35 BoomBoom : The partners are financing some of the development cost in return for a bigger share of the profits.
36 GAIsweetGAI : When is the 787 scheduled to do its first flight?
37 NYC777 : At this point it looks to be late August of this year for the RR powered verson and late Oct. for the GE version.
38 Post contains images GAIsweetGAI : I'll be in France then. Are there any exact dates to be released at some point?
39 NYC777 : Soon but it's looking like the las week of the month for each.
40 474218 : I think you are mixing apples and oranges. There is a "fatigue" test that bends and twists the airframe and pressurizes the fuselage over and over, s
41 Post contains images Hamlet69 : There most likely won't be an exact date until roll-out and possibly the start of ground tests. The only exact date set so far is roll-out. Regards,
42 Post contains images DAYflyer : That's actually cool , since you will get to watch Leahy on TV when he gets the news that it flew.
43 Centrair : So the "static" test is closer to definition 2 and the "fatigue" test is having to sit down and understand the existance of definition 1. Both...tort
44 474218 : Definition 1 is "static" and can cause "fatigue" if you listen to it too much.
45 WingedMigrator : Thanks for clearing up that bit, I got it wrong.
46 Post contains links Sangas : "787 on schedule for August test flight, May 2008 rollout Boeing is working to solve weight and timing problems" http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busines
47 Post contains links Jet-lagged : Thanks for the posts. It seems that the LCF has not made any more pickups and commercial cargo deliveries have not been communicated if they have happ
48 Post contains links Jet-lagged : Well, that tail is ready, which means the leading edge came in from China. I'm not sure about the rudder, since it was mentioned it is attached at fin
49 Centrair : so sad. going out to NGO on Friday and staying over till the next morning at the Toyoko. Was hoping to see it. Will have my father's EOS super duper
50 Post contains links Brendows : BOE876 is flying test flights around Seattle, and to Spokane and Grant County, as part of the flight testing programme, and it will do so for the nex
51 Post contains links HAL : Here's an article from yesterday's Seattle Times: http://archives.seattletimes.nwsourc...g=boeing20&date=20070320&query=787 One of the good things abo
52 Post contains links Jet-lagged : Lots of kit in Charleston right now, and Spirit has five forward fuselage sections sitting in Wichita. The first aft fuselage section 47 yet be be fin
53 Post contains images Providenteric : woh, wish we can see this thing been put up together and toe to the public soon!
54 MCIGuy : " target=_blank>http://archives.seattletimes.nwsourc...y=787 This was the interesting part for me, I did not know this: [Edited 2007-03-24 09:09:45]
55 A380Heavy : I was surprised to see that Boeing had spoken to Volga Dnepr about the availability of an An124 to supplement, when needed, their converted B747's. It
56 Post contains images Astuteman : My understanding was that Boeing had already "Planned in" out-of-sequence work (particularly wiring IIRC), but I don't recall over how many frames (T
57 Post contains links LTU932 : Given that the conversion process for a 747 to an LCF is very slow, Boeing could need the extra lift. Plus, if one of them goes AOG, they might need
58 Post contains images Brendows : The runway has been extended to about 3500m, so yes, the information is outdated
59 Brendows : When it comes to the 747, 777 and 767 - they still need somewhere to stand before they are ready to be flown down to KBFI, or can they be flown out r
60 A380Heavy : As I said in the rest of my previous post, why not just use An124's - there seems to be quite a few of them flying around and I would imagine enough
61 Stitch : I have seen the An-124 at PAE at least twice, though not sure if she was there for the 787 or airlifting in 777 engines or something. As to why Boeing
62 BHMBAGLOCK : I don't think the fuselage sections will fit in an unmodified AN-124. Just to be sure, I checked. The 787 is 5.77 M in diameter and the AN-124 cargo
63 NYC777 : The AN-124 can not carry the 787 fuselage pieces. They're too big to fit inside the An-124. They will be used to send packing and tooling back to the
64 A380Heavy : Fair points - thank you for taking the trouble to check out the fuselage cross section. With regard to the political aspect, I appreciate that the Ru
65 Post contains images WingedMigrator : Bingo. Until the LCF was built, the only aircraft capable of flying such large objects internally was the Beluga, which wasn't exactly a viable busin
66 WingedMigrator : I hadn't thought of this... can two section 41's fit in the LCF at the same time?
67 Brendows : That should not be a problem in terms of length. Each section 41 is about 45feet long, while the length of the main cargo compartment on the LCF shou
68 Post contains images Ikramerica : Not for patriotic reasons, but for the key word you use there: RELIED. If Boeing had been asked to rely on the Russians to maintain a tight schedule,
69 Post contains images Stitch : One would think the amount of foreign-produced content and labor in the 787 would have raised more hackles in the United States then who hauled those
70 BHMBAGLOCK : Doubtful. We see the AN-124 3-4 times per year here in BHM and it always makes the paper or the news and is always a positive story. If a US airline
71 Post contains links Jet-lagged : The leading edge of commercial aviation's leading edge has edged closer to service, with LCF2 making a flight from Wichita to Charlseton this week, pr
72 Post contains links Jet-lagged : Is it OK to quote oneself? Well, I think that was wrong; Section 41s go directly to Everett. Sorry about that. So I wonder why LCF2 went from Wichita
73 Mham001 : Jetlagged, thanks for the updates.
74 NYC777 : Actually LCF 1 flew to Whichita yesterday but it was to Wichita International Airport and not McConnell AB which is wher Spirits facilities ar and whe
75 Jet-lagged : NYC777 - thanks for the clarification. So, summarizing the major locations and consolidation of sections: - mid and aft fuselage sections, wingbox - C
76 Post contains images WingedMigrator : 87 days to roll-out and the only major structural component located in Everett is the vertical stabilizer.
77 XT6Wagon : Well they used to prototype aircraft in that time back in the good old days... course a WWII fighter is a dead simple compared to the 787.
78 Centrair : Was just out at NGO dropping my parents off. There were dozens of Japanese Aviation fans at the observation deck. More than usual. I asked them what w
79 Post contains links Brendows : Take a look here: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE632 It left BFI around noon (local time in Seattle, about 12 hours ago,) and the flight was p
80 Centrair : Now I am really beating myself up for not staying out there. Is it picking up the wing?
81 Post contains images Brendows : Don't be too hard on your self now Centrair Yes, I'm pretty certain that's what they're picking up.
82 Post contains images NYC777 : Hey buddy..it'll be there again...and again...and again...whew....and again...I think you get the idea!
83 Post contains links Jet-lagged : Here is why the Section 41 front noses have not been flown to Everett yet; the first 787 forward anding gear has just finished assembled at Messier-Do
84 Spaceshipone : The return flight is scheduled to land at BFI at 8:30 AM tomorrow (Saturday morning). If they were picking up the wings it seems they would be flying
85 Post contains links Jet-lagged : Good prediction! LCF2 is on the way to Chartleston right now. link The first mid/aft fuselage section must be well on the way to completion by now. S
86 EI321 : What about the horizontal stabilisers, main grear and tailcone?
87 Post contains images WingedMigrator : Three RJGG - KCHS deliveries have now taken place. BOE876 RJGG-KBFI-KCHS 12-14 Jan 2007 BOE632 RJGG-KBFI-KCHS 12 Mar 2007 (I recall reading that this
88 Post contains links Jet-lagged : - Main landing gear is not yet assembled. We know that from Messier-Dowty. - Horizontal stabilizers, yes they are flown by LCF to Charleston. But it
89 WingedMigrator : The horizontal stab is a 65-foot part. It would occupy well over half the length of the LCF cargo hold. There is no way you could miss it in the pict
90 Rheinbote : MLG was originally planned to arrive on-site at Everett April 3rd according to my sources. The horizontal stabs could be assembled at Everett from pr
91 Post contains links Spaceshipone : The tailfin is due in Everett on Wednseday. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...chnology/2003612251_boeing111.html
92 NYC777 : " target=_blank>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm....html Actually it's already there...month ago. Look at the date of the article...March 13th. Ta
93 NYC777 : Messeir-Dowty said in their press release that the 787 MLG should be in Everett later in April. I'm assuming by the end of next week.
94 Chuchoteur : The A300-600ST Belugas are operated by an Airbus subsidiary, Airbus Transport International. One of the Belugas is actually a "spare" which is mainly
95 Post contains images Scouseflyer : Hopefully they'll have put in the correct alun key and no body will of dropped the box before thy bought it
96 Post contains links Spaceshipone : This morning, LCF 2 flew CHS-PAE landing at 7:00 AM. I wondered if this was the first delivery flight for fuselage sections assembled in CHS. I believ
97 NYC777 : I talked to someone who works at Everett and he says that the LCF came in today empty so it might have been making a dry run. He said that they might
98 Jet-lagged : And so . . . - tail fin - moved from Fredericksburg to Everett - wing tips - Everett - forward nose section, with landing gear inserted, at OEM - Wich
99 Post contains images Jet-lagged : Updated the graphic to reflect recent movements. Major pieces are still scattered all over the globe!
100 Beaucaire : ...and i thought Airbus had a complicated way of manufacturing... Let's face it,not a very energy-friendly way to puzzle an aircraft..(valid for both
101 Rheinbote : Adds a very low single-digit percentage figure to overall unit cost. OTOH, the scheme adds tens of percentages in 'foreign' investment and risk shari
102 Stitch : I would not be surprised if it is much more energy-friendly to ship a dozen large, pre-assembled structures around the world then it is to ship tens
103 Post contains links Stitch : Spirit's plant in Wichita was the front page story in today's Seattle Times - http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ology/2003676375_787wichita22.htm
104 Post contains links Jet-lagged : Some news on the wire . . . . link These bits are interesting Wings in mid-May - OK. Fuselage parts already in Everett??
105 NYC777 : Nope not yet.
106 Post contains links Spaceshipone : LCF 2 is currently landing at PAE after flying from EGPK (Prestwick, England?) and previously landing in LIBG (Grottaglie, Italy). Any ideas if this i
107 A10WARTHOG : Local news is reporting that it was carry the Horizontal Stab
108 LTU932 : PIK was probably a fuel stop, although maybe they'd also use the stop to pick up gear parts from Messier-Dowty.
109 Post contains links Spaceshipone : I just looked at the Flight Global logistics chart which shows that the main landing gear go directly from UK to Everett. So are the main gear shipped
110 Post contains links WingedMigrator : Indeed. Pictures here: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...e-first-boeing-787-horizontal.html I learned that the stab comes in two pieces with a t
111 WingedMigrator : LCF1 is back in Taipei, landed about 3 days ago... presumably for a coat of Dreamlifter paint? Otherwise no change in status. The major structural par
112 Post contains images Brendows : RR Trents.
113 Post contains links IAD787 : This might be helpful also, looks like we should pool some resources here to combine these. http://flightblogger.blogspot.com/20...re-in-world-is-787-
114 Post contains images OGGFBORefueler : Cool diagram. Aloha! Keone
115 Pygmalion : Early LCF flights also include getting all the shipping tooling where it needs to be.
116 Post contains links and images Jet-lagged : Update of parts graphics . . . As y'all can see, there are now at least five important pieces in Everett, and all sections needed from Italy have been
117 NYC777 : Hear's the latest rumor....word has it that the rear fuselage (section 47/48{) and the forward fuselage (section 41) will arrive together to Everett a
118 NYC777 : Just got word that the vertical stab. is being trucked over to Everett from Fredrickston tonight (May 7th). The rudder is already in the house (as are
119 Post contains links IAD787 : My 787 parts page is now updated to reflect new developments. http://flightblogger.blogspot.com Keep an eye out tomorrow, there are going to be seriou
120 Jet-lagged : " target=_blank>http://flightblogger.blogspot.com Nice graphics. You get the design prize! I thought is was already there. Well, well. Just two months
121 Acidradio : I see doors and components from Linkoping, Sweden. Saab???
122 NYC777 : The first fuselage sections will be delivered into Everett on May 10th which is this Thursday. It will be sections 47/48 (rear fusleage) and section 4
123 Stitch : Dreamlifter 2 looks to still be on the tarmac at PAE, but I don't see DL1 anywhere. She was in the 747 Assembly Building a week ago Friday, but I have
124 Post contains links and images Brendows : You'll find the answer to your question here Stitch: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE876 N747BC will be in Taipei for a while.
125 DAYflyer : Have the winbox and center sections been delivered as of yet??
126 Pygmalion : Saab makes the fore and aft cargo doors.
127 WingedMigrator : No. As of this writing there are no fuselage sections in Everett. That will change soon....
128 NYC777 : Got this from Flightaware just now LCF 2 is on the move, It's flying to Wichita and then on to Charleston today. Presumably they'll pick up section 41
129 NYC777 : Some more information: Wings are before central fuse. 41 and 47/48 will be here Thursday. Then wings... then central fuselage next week or 10 days. ML
130 Stitch : I believe I just saw BOE632 heading South from KPAE towards KIAB based on FlightTracker.
131 Pygmalion : It was going to leave earlier but was delayed for Airforce One while the Pres tours the tornado zone.
132 NYC777 : Tailcone should be in Everett tonight.
133 Stirling : Fuel-Stop only I presume. Gloucester and Derby are a good distance away from Glasgow... Messier-Dowty manufactures the compononents in the UK, but th
134 Post contains links Jet-lagged : How about naming this first one? First 787 - What To Name Him / Her (by Jet-lagged May 10 2007 in Aviation Polls & Prefs)
135 NYC777 : LCF 2 should be on her way to Everett very soon.
136 NYC777 : LCF 2 is on it's way to Everett with the first rear and first forward fuselage of the 787.
137 NYC777 : LCF 2 will be making the trip to Nagoya this afternoon. The wing will be picked up this weekend and should be in Everett by Monday at the latest. Also
138 NYC777 : FYI, I found out that when the first 787 rolls out it will have the Dreamliner scheme that Boeing has shown in its marketing but the tail will be pain
139 NYC777 : Should expect to see the MLG delivered in about a week to 10 days.
140 Post contains links Stirling : I thought it was already in Wichita?????? http://www.messier-dowty.com/news.php3?id_article=290 The M-D website says the Nose was first, then the MLG
141 Post contains links and images Jet-lagged : Where do you get this stuff?? How about the doors??? Maybe just some time is needed. What with the press this baby is getting, every component is cov
142 Centrair : Wings? More barrels?
143 WingedMigrator : My LCF flight log so far... Date / Origin / Destination / Flight Number / Payload 09Jan07 KBFI RJGG BOE876 - 12Jan07 RJGG KBFI BOE876 43, 45 14Jan07 K
144 Jet-lagged : That's a nice list. With the second shipment of sections 43 and 45, plus knowledge that multiple nose sections exist, we can safely say that the seco
145 LTU932 : Why, on most of these flights, does the aircraft go to BFI instead of PAE?
146 Stitch : BFI is the home of the Boeing Flight Test Center so this may be related to her certification program.
147 NYC777 : Nope that was only the nose gear. Main gear doesn't need to go to Wichita. It'll go straight to Everett. MLG should be in Everett by May 18th. First
148 NYC777 : Just got this on FlightAware: Your tracked aircraft BOE632 has just filed a flight plan. It is scheduled to depart RJGG (Chubu Centrair Int'l) at 05:0
149 Post contains links IAD787 : As the wings come in tomorrow, I'll be pooling all of the photos and news coverage. Thanks for all your visits everyone! http://flightblogger.blogspot
150 Post contains links Brendows : MHI Ships First Composite-Material Wing Box for the Boeing 787 A picture of the first wing set can be seen in the article.
151 Post contains links Jet-lagged : Lovely! Here is one in Japanese,with a slighly different picture: http://www.business-i.jp/news/ind-page/news/200705140025a.nwc
152 NYC777 : Does anyone know if the LCF with the wing boxes has left Nagoya?
153 Post contains links Brendows : The wings have been loaded onto the LCF, but the LCF won't depart Chubu until tomorrow. Article with a picture showing the wings beeing loaded onto t
154 Post contains images DAYflyer : Thanks for the great articles and pictures. Cant wait until 7-8-07
155 IAD787 : Are you sure it's not arriving in Everett today? 632 just refiled with a 7:00am YDT departure time from Anchorage on May 14th. Which is right about n
156 Post contains images Brendows : Take a look once again on flightaware, the departure time has been updated once more, and the LCF hasn't even arrived in ANC. So yes, I'm pretty sure
157 NYC777 : Well for some reason the LCF is still in NAgoya and is scheduled to leave tonight for Anchorage and then Paine Field: Your tracked aircraft BOE632 has
158 Post contains images RobTrent : I am lookng forward to the first pics
159 Pygmalion : I dont think it leaves Charleston till tomorrow Pilots ran into duty time restrictions... Delayed for crew rest
160 Post contains links and images Sokol : B747-400LFC BOE632 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE632 just arrived from NGO in Anchorage ANC, little bit delayed but now is in ANC. I miss it t
161 Iwok : It appears that a picture of the wingset is shown, yet the caption claims its for the wing box. Am I missing something??? iwok
162 Spaceshipone : If you look at the flightblogger link above the wings are referred to as the wing box. Wings are being delivered in the morning.
163 UAL747-600 : The wings arrived at KPAE a short while ago. UAL747-600
164 DAYflyer : This is really getting exciting. Does anyone on the forum have an invite to the roll out ceremony on 7/8/07??
165 LY4XELD : Yes (nothing's official, but they'll be inviting 787 program employees).
166 Post contains links UAL747-600 : Boe632 will be otw to Charleston at 10:00am PDT. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE632 UAL747-600
167 Post contains links IAD787 : First shots of the wings being unloaded from the LCF this morning are on my site along with this afternoon's flight plan to Charleston. http://flightb
168 Post contains images RobTrent : Excellent shots - Gotta love that Dreamlifter. The way the tail section detaches is a cool piece of engineering. Regards R
169 USAF336TFS : From FlightBlogger: "The first 787 will be painted in the house Dreamliner livery with the tail painted in the ANA livery." Is there any confirmation
170 Yellowstone : Does anyone yet have a video of them unloading a component off of the LCF? Maybe some sort of time-lapse thing, depending on how fast the process is.
171 Post contains links DAYflyer : I believe that the Boeing press release on this event speaks to that effect, house colors with an ANA tail for MSN 001. Link: http://www.boeing.com/c
172 MCIGuy : " target=_blank>http://www.boeing.com/commercial/new....html That's cool. I wonder if anyone will keep the "787" on the vertical stab like Eastern did
173 Stitch : LionAir took their first 739ER with Boeing House Colors and their logo on the tail, and China Airlines did the same with one of their 747-400s.
174 Post contains images LY4XELD : Ok, I have to say...I was "on" the airplane today! Or at least in the nose section Way cool!
175 WestWing : FlightAware is showing BOE 632 as having arrived at CHS. It will be interesting to see how rapidly they will turn around after loading with the fuse s
176 Centrair : As my students say, "Zurui". (Not fair) But in other words..Lucky Bastard. What is it ... one plane ever 4 or 5 days or less? They have two LCFs and
177 Spaceshipone : LCF2 spent only 5:20 on the ground in CHS and is now returning to PAE. Less than 15 hours roundtrip PAE-CHS-PAE. Is this the final LCF load for the f
178 Post contains images Brendows : The goal is to get the assembly time down to three days, but I guess it will take about two weeks to assemble each aircraft through the first year of
179 NYC777 : ok the LCF is leaving soon for Prestwick, any idea why it's going there? Refueling stop on its way to Italy (to pick up the next sections 44 and 46 fo
180 USAF336TFS : Understood, and very true. But in both cases those aircraft were not the absolute first of the series (737, 747, 757, 767, 777, etc.) to be rolled ou
181 Post contains links Sq212 : Delivery of first assembled mid-fuse with pic http://home.businesswire.com/portal/...&newsId=20070516005673&newsLang=en
182 Rheinbote : Prestwick could be to pick up the main landing gear, which was originally expected to be on dock at Everett April 3rd. Absolutely amazing that even d
183 Spaceshipone : To a similar question asked previously in reply 133, Stirling stated: Indeed Prestwick is not close to Gloucester and Derby and is likely a fuel stop
184 NYC777 : FYI, as of 7:01 EST (4:01 West Coast Time) on May 16, 2007, section 41 was being loaded up to start final assembly. The other fuselage sections will f
185 Rheinbote : Will all the fuselage sections be lined up for the 'Factory Roll-out' planned for Monday, May 21st?
186 HAWK21M : Is May 21st Roll out on Schedule.Any live Coverage. regds' MEL
187 Post contains links and images Jet-lagged : Interesting - nay, make that a startling - article in Seattle PI. I didn't see it referenced elsewhere today . . . Mad dash to finish 787 gets trickie
188 Post contains images Stitch : "She'll launch, on time, if we have to drag her out with our bare hands." - Captain William Decker, Star Fleet (Star Trek: The Motion Picture).
189 DAYflyer : Yes they can, and they will. The stabilizer problem is a little worisome though.
190 NYC777 : Yup, they should all be in the final assembly jig as of today. Ready for May 21st.
191 BigJKU : All they really have to have it ready to do on the 8th is roll out of the factor in one piece. That means it all needs to be attached together and hav
192 JoeCanuck : It'll work, no worries, if they use CFDT, (Carbon Fibre Duct Tape).
193 Post contains images Antoniemey : Nice... but it's Willard Decker.
194 Pygmalion : Im just glad its all there in Everett. The Boeing folks are lot more experienced than any of the supplier/partners and they will have a lot better cha
195 Rheinbote : If Boeing manages to execute the remainder of the 787 development program on schedule right through to certification and delivery in May 08 (my bets a
196 WestWing : So where in the world is the LCF now? BOE632 left for Prestwick on Wednesday night and no return to PAE flight plans seem to have been filed since the
197 Beaucaire : Sakosy's first visit to Angela Merkel had also EADS/Airbus issues on the agenda-just to tell that the "Elysée" is fully aware about the Airbus situa
198 Brendows : Grottaglie in Italy, most likely to pick up another set of section 44 and 46. Even if it has had a turnaround of only a few hours, it can take a litt
199 DAYflyer : When will the other LCF's see action? Does anyone have the timetable for the certification of the other 2 birds??
200 NYC777 : It's in Glasgow right now and will continue on to Charleston to drop off more fuselage sections there. AFter that who know, perhaps back to Japan or
201 RSBJ : Has anyone heard a time for the rollout? I'm going to bid a SEA overnight for July 8th, so I need to know what time they're going to display the carbo
202 LY4XELD : It's not an open invitation to come to roll out. You need an invitation to attend.
203 RSBJ : Thanks, but I did know that much. I was just looking to be around and get a glimpse from the sidelines. I don't know Everett too well, so I should al
204 LY4XELD : Probably the best public area to see it from will be the Future of Flight center in Everett on the other side of PAE. I don't know how crowded that w
205 A380Heavy : Does anybody know whether or not the 787 be painted by the time it is rollled out on 8th July?
206 LTU932 : Seems like more fuselage parts are coming in: Your tracked aircraft BOE632 has just filed a flight plan. It is scheduled to depart KCHS (Charleston AF
207 IAD787 : From what I understand Section 44/46 for LN002 which will be the static test aircraft.
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